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[Zynk]

1 of the problems I see coming, most players play to win no matter what and will do it anyway they can get away with it.

Would you let players like that play the play fair clans as most players will ignore zellbrigen to win at any cost.


"Zellbrigen" The body of rules defining dueling behavior and honor in combat.

Edited by Zynk, 28 June 2012 - 09:34 PM.

[buckaroo]

This topic is really about legging, isn't it?

[BattleFerrett]

Play to win, of course! This is WAR, after all!

However, only to an extent. Playing to win, for me, doesn't include intentionally taking advantage of exploits or glitches in the game to get an edge on my enemies.

[nektu]

light487, on 28 June 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

All these people talking about hacks and cheats.. ***?

The original intent of the post was whether you'd play fair.. not whether or not you would cheat.

Playing fair has nothing to do with cheating.. it has to do with playing honorably.. or ignoring all honor and just taking any advantage, strategically/tactically, regardless of whether it is honoroable or not.. killing people.. like legging can be often seen as a cheesey and dishonorable way of killing..

You are spouting pure bullshit. Artifical internet-bushido rules have nothing to do with "fair" or "not fair", but more with "do I want to play at being a space-robot samurai or not".

Both sides have the same tools at their disposal - and this is what "fair" means. It's just that you restrict yourself from using some because of some ehonor mumbo jumbo. This is your right, and I really don't mind.

Just don't whine if you lose - you brought it onto yourself. And a real space-robot samurai would never whine, because thats not really honorable, isn't it?

Zynk, on 28 June 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

1 of the problems I see coming, most players play to win no matter what and will do it anyway they can get away with it.

Would you let players like that play the play fair clans as most players will ignore zellbrigen to win at any cost.

True, they will ignore it unless it pays off more to adhere to it.

That said, anyone playing a clanner who does not shoot legs/arms/heads is doing it wrong - no clanner would waste a perfectly good mech by coring it if he can render it useless with relatively little damage.

And he is even showing off his superior aiming skills in the process...

Edited by nektu, 29 June 2012 - 12:17 AM.

[Tussock]

Agreed... Playing for fun is most important... But it was not an option in the poll...

I guess in this instance; fun is a given.. How could fighting in large robots not be fun? Fairness or not!

[Thoman Coston]

Both. Winning and playing fair are not contradictory.

[talbs]

Play to win team work

Recon jenner

[Deblin Thrake]

Jason Ward, on 22 June 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

I'd play fair. When my opponent is disarmed, i won't kill him. But using weak armor spots is fair too. In a real Mech fight, the enemy won't have any regrets firing at your weak spots.

Why wouldn't you take an enemy out? even if they are disarmed and can't damage you, they can give LOSD to their teammates if theres a C3 computer around. besides, shooting them down means more LPs to you...

Play to win, all the way. now, if the mech is neutralized i will not keep pounding on it, to make it's repair's cost higher.

[Remarius]

Fight to defend your regiment or attain your faction's goals - take down anyone in your way as hard and fast as you can to minimise casualties.

[Urulf]

Thomas Hogarth, on 22 June 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

Voted both, because I could.

Agree! Play to win in a fair way ^^

[Shaedys]

light487, on 28 June 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

All these people talking about hacks and cheats.. ***?

The original intent of the post was whether you'd play fair.. not whether or not you would cheat.

Playing fair has nothing to do with cheating.. it has to do with playing honorably.. or ignoring all honor and just taking any advantage, strategically/tactically, regardless of whether it is honoroable or not.. killing people.. like legging can be often seen as a cheesey and dishonorable way of killing..

My definition of fair is not hacking or exploiting.
Anything such as using terrain, shooting at any point of the robot is completely fair to me.
Thereby I would play fair.
One case might be custom rules imposed by some servers(if there is such a thing), then I would comply to those.

[Mechfan909]

i voted both because when playing according to the rules its considered fair if it doesn't say anything bad about legging or any other rough tactic i'll do it (if i think its the best option or when i'm desperate) and when i play to win of course i do what is needed to win, (as long as it doesn't go against the given rules in the game.) shoot the weak point i do but break the rules i don't. (if they allow weak point shooting in a specific game.) a fair game is a win game to me (even if i lost fairly) i hope there wont be any cheating in the game when its released because i hate cheaters (a cheated game is a bad game to me.) have a great game learn from a great game.

[Connor Macleod]

Play to win. Or at least play to keep the other team from winning...

If I can target your legs, I'll shoot them.

If you show your back to me, then prepare to get shot in the back.

If you pop up with jump jets and are basically a sitting duck in the air, I'll have myself a turkey shoot.

If you expose weak or compromised areas, I'll be gunning for them.

If you're in a Commando, and I'm in a Centurion, Hunchback, or heavier chassis, I'm coming for you first.

If it's five on one in my favor, then you will be fighting five of us all at once.

If my 'Mech is already wrecked and you get just a little too close in your arrogance, I'll self destruct and take you with me (if allowed in Game Mechanics)

If you're man enough to walk onto the battlefield, you're man enough to be carried off. Or left there. I accept no surrenders.

Heck, I'd beat you over your cockpit with your own arm after I blew it off if the game mechanics allowed it.

To not do any of this out of concern for the watery-eyed two year old goes against my nature and the nature of warfare in general.

[xSidewinder]

There should be a third option:

Play for fun.

I play for fun, whether said fun is win at all costs or honorable duels, is purely on a situation by situation basis.

[Belorion]

nektu, on 28 June 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

You are spouting pure bullshit. Artifical internet-bushido rules have nothing to do with "fair" or "not fair", but more with "do I want to play at being a space-robot samurai or not".

Both sides have the same tools at their disposal - and this is what "fair" means. It's just that you restrict yourself from using some because of some ehonor mumbo jumbo. This is your right, and I really don't mind.

Just don't whine if you lose - you brought it onto yourself. And a real space-robot samurai would never whine, because thats not really honorable, isn't it?



True, they will ignore it unless it pays off more to adhere to it.

That said, anyone playing a clanner who does not shoot legs/arms/heads is doing it wrong - no clanner would waste a perfectly good mech by coring it if he can render it useless with relatively little damage.

And he is even showing off his superior aiming skills in the process...

I would even go so far as to say that cannon would dictate that the clan do leg, and go for weak points disabling their mech. They were bred to win, not to trade blows one at a time. At least in any of the books I read.

They are honorable yes, but exploiting weakness is the nature of combat.

[Nigredo]

Legs,Core,Arms i get a warm and fuzzy every time a piece of your mech falls off... a win is a win.

[The Very Old German Wolf]

As a former Para there is only one way for me to play, and that is play to win no options, all is fair in love and war as the old saying goes.

[Valgorn47]

Aim for the head. Kill the meat save the metal.

Favourite MW2 Merc quote.

[Blue Shadow]

Well play to win for sure, but I would play fair too by not exploiting game bugs and such.

[CL_Kodiak]

That's like saying throwing an opponent in a game like street fighter is considered cheese... people would say it is not fair. Is it effective? Yes... can it be countered? yes.

I would say it's within the limits of the game and not cheating or unfair - Play to win... Throw people, if they can't stop it or assume it's widely not accepted as a valid gameplay style and as a result do not look for it - that is their own fault and they are not playing to win.

I play to win.

By definition, "fair" to me falls under the umbrella of one question "Does the game allow me to do this?" If the answer is yes, you had better believe I will use it, and look for other people to use it so that I can defend against it.

If it is unbalanced or game breaking it is the devs job to adjust it or remove it. I have no control over that, while it is in the game you can rest assured people will use it, and in order to remain competitive you had better also use it as well.

The only exception to the rule is if a dev team comes in and says "Hey we can not hotfix this and it will be resolved in the next patch, anyone caught doing this until we can remove it will be dealt with" Then I will stop doing it and report anyone else I see doing it.

It's all about using every tool at your disposal to reach the objective and that objective is to win.

Edited by Kodiak Steiner, 29 June 2012 - 04:14 AM.