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[Phasics]

Just curious if there any in place so you could watch a match *** a spectator.

Auto camera that zooms you in on the current fire fight and then randomly switch to various pilot views.

and if that's in what about placing bets on matches ?

They'd have to be player bets so someone would have to to accept your bet on a given match. You could even bet on yourself this way before a match if there was a cross talk lobby between teams.

"You guys are so gonna lose !"
"Hah put your money where you mouth is"
"1'000'000 Cbills"
"Hah don't make me laugh 10'000'000 or don't even bother"
"Fine 10, accept my bet and lets get this puppy started !"

[Calisrue]

Fun idea - but if there is any way to do prematched games it would introduce genuine farmers/gold sellers (er c-bills) who would hand over c-bills via purposely throwing a betted match to somebody who paid them real money

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

Phasics, on 22 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Just curious if there any in place so you could watch a match *** a spectator.

Auto camera that zooms you in on the current fire fight and then randomly switch to various pilot views.

and if that's in what about placing bets on matches ?

They'd have to be player bets so someone would have to to accept your bet on a given match. You could even bet on yourself this way before a match if there was a cross talk lobby between teams.

"You guys are so gonna lose !"
"Hah put your money where you mouth is"
"1'000'000 Cbills"
"Hah don't make me laugh 10'000'000 or don't even bother"
"Fine 10, accept my bet and lets get this puppy started !"

isn't this illegal in some states?

[Spleenslitta]

It's true that it could invite gold farmers. But there is a way this could be done without such a thing happening.

Solaris. Imagine that once a month there is a tournament and in this tournament you can bet on the competitors once they pass a certain stage.
Let's say you can start betting on someone once they have three victories.

There is a tournament held on both the UK and US server and the victors of these go to the world championship finals.
You can win lostech or maybe even clan tech....the higher you go the more rare and precious the prize gets.

[Kvidar]

Hmm.. if they made it so you could only bet on matches that are already going then i think it'd be fine. but being able to bet on yourself or any match before it started seems a bit trickier.
Edit: Love the solaris idea (didn't see it until after i posted) but yeah, solaris would sanction this perfectly and add a nice element to the game

Edited by Kvidar, 22 June 2012 - 03:40 PM.

[Tymanthius]

You couldn't really allow spectators as then my buddy could log in via his throwaway account, spectate, and report enemy movemnts to me via teamspeak, IM, or whatever.

But just betting? That could be done. Not sure if they will, but a neat idea.

[Kvidar]

Tymanthius, on 22 June 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

You couldn't really allow spectators as then my buddy could log in via his throwaway account, spectate, and report enemy movemnts to me via teamspeak, IM, or whatever.

But just betting? That could be done. Not sure if they will, but a neat idea.

Or if they implemented spectating the way that LoL did, and give it a 5 minute delay from the real action.

[BFalcon]

Kvidar, on 22 June 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Or if they implemented spectating the way that LoL did, and give it a 5 minute delay from the real action.

Don't even need 5 minutes, to be honest... 1 or 2 would suffice.

You'd need betting to close before the start of the match though... in case someone is able to monitor the stream from a player more directly (xfire, for example) and hence know the outcome a minute before the official stream catches up.

[Phasics]

So time delayed match observers and monthly solaris tournament betting ?

Edited by Phasics, 22 June 2012 - 03:53 PM.

[Hexenhammer]

Have a system that handles all the bets and payouts and don't tell anyone how much has been bet or on who, that way the players don't know how much is riding on their win or loss.

Also put in a Pete Rose betting clause. You as the player can only bet on yourself to win.

[Third Flower]

I think betting is against the word of the lord, but I wouldn't bet against a word anyway, so maybe not?

[Serpent 6]

Mechwarrior Leagues had a betting area called Battle Bet.

You could wager C-Bills on the odds. Odds where derrived from the team/unit ladder ranking and win loss ratios. Pretty cool imo.

[Calisrue]

Balancing how gambling would effect relative rates of c-bill earning would get pretty complicated pretty quickly - a good gambler would figure out what players were smart bets quickly and gambling could quickly outstrip earning c-bills via missioning - i don't think the developers would want people making most of their money this way.

Maybe with strict limits on number of bets and ammounts in a day... It would be a headache to balance it out as a developer i would think. Would also potentially need an automated system to figure odds adjustments based on player records if did things the solaris way i'd think

[Third Flower]

Serpent 6, on 22 June 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

Mechwarrior Leagues had a betting area called Battle Bet.

You could wager C-Bills on the odds. Odds where derrived from the team/unit ladder ranking and win loss ratios. Pretty cool imo.

Two things:

1. What does "imo" mean? Please don't swear!

2. Imo betting should not be allowed because it corrupts the soul, the soles, Seoul and Paul.

besides it is boring compared to shooting lasers at other warriorcars like the AS8-KRD (that's the altas for you battlecheck newbs )

[RenegadeMaster]

Hexenhammer, on 22 June 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Have a system that handles all the bets and payouts and don't tell anyone how much has been bet or on who, that way the players don't know how much is riding on their win or loss.

Also put in a Pete Rose betting clause. You as the player can only bet on yourself to win.

I like the idea of betting as an observer, as that would add something extra to do in MWO. It wouldn't necessarily need complex odds. If some form of betting as an observer existed and I was in game for more than a few hours, I would totally place bets during meals & such! Delays and/or anonymity would be important to prevent most rigging, and limits would be important to prevent it from impacting the MWO economy too much. For me personally, betting on my own games would put too much emphasis on in-game gambling, as I would already be "gambling" enough with the choices I make to repair, upgrade, buy mechs, etc.

[MechMagnus Tsunami]

On the big screen in Vegas baby !!

[Verminaard]

Very simple IMO

Betting SHOULD be allowed in, if they can do the following and not make it imbalanced, unfair or such. (gold farming etc)

I take my model from CSS. (counter strike source)

1) Bets are placed after you are in spectator mode (dead).
2) You bet C-bills only (nothing insanely high, match winnings at most).
3) you get odds based on possible outcome. 3:1, 1:3 etc. Multiplies your MATCH WINNINGS or amount bet.

After the round you get your payout, or lose your money. Throwing the game for 33% gain on an already lower amount of pay due to losing isn't very profitable, a win would be worth double the losing money about?

Ex: 3 enemy mechs vs 1 for your team. 3:1 odds. X3 winnings if you bet on the 1 player., or 33% gain (1/3) betting on clear winners.


bet 10,000 Cbills 3:1, I win my pot of 40,000 Cbills. (only really 30,000 winnings)
Or 10,000 on 1:3, I win ~13,333 Cbills (only really 3,333 winnings)


Bets may help repair abit, get your ammo back etc. They won't be enough to get insane amounts of profit, as i said no more than the match is worth.

Edited by Verminaard, 22 June 2012 - 04:38 PM.

[Project_Mercy]

Solaris

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Solaris

[Third Flower]

Verminaard, on 22 June 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Very simple IMO

Betting SHOULD be allowed in, if they can do the following and not make it imbalanced unfair or such.

I take my model for CSS. (counter strike source)

1) Bets are placed after you are in spectator mode (dead).
2) You bet C-bills only (nothing insanely high, match winnings at most).
3) you get odds based on possible outcome. 3:1, 1:3 etc. Multiplies your MATCH WINNINGS or amount bet.

After the round you get your payout, or lose your money. Throwing the game for 33% gain on an already lower amount of pay due to losing isn't very profitable, a win would be worth double the losing money about?

Ex: 3 enemy mechs vs 1 for your team. 3:1 odds. X3 winnings if you bet on the 1 player., or 33% gain (1/3) betting on clear winners.


bet 10,000 Cbills 3:1, I win my pot of 40,000 Cbills. (only really 30,000 winnings)
Or 10,000 on 1:3, I win ~13,333 Cbills (only really 3,333 winnings)

I don't mean to drop a hot, steaming pile of poop all over your nice, white party here, but nowhere in the above do you actually present a coherent argument as to why the developer of MethWarrior: Online should devote any kind of production resources to adding in "betting".

In fact, none of you have presented what even resembles a logical line of thought that explains this, besides "I WANT IT!". Maybe, if you were able to string together the most basic argument, an actual discussion on this topic could take place, but so far none of you have gotten within a Steiner-mile of that.

So, in conclusion, know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, and, as it pertains most particularly to this topic: Know when to run.

[Phasics]

Calisrue, on 22 June 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

Balancing how gambling would effect relative rates of c-bill earning would get pretty complicated pretty quickly - a good gambler would figure out what players were smart bets quickly and gambling could quickly outstrip earning c-bills via missioning - i don't think the developers would want people making most of their money this way.

Maybe with strict limits on number of bets and ammounts in a day... It would be a headache to balance it out as a developer i would think. Would also potentially need an automated system to figure odds adjustments based on player records if did things the solaris way i'd think

This is why I think betting should be a nameless pool

Players put in wages on both sides into a pot for witch side will win.

Once the match is over the losers cbills get split between the winners based on the size of each of the winners initial wagers.

So for example
player 1 1'000'000 on team A
player 2 100'000 on team A
player 3 10'000 on Team A
(Team A pool 1'110'000cbills)

player 4 2'000'000 on team B
player 5 100'000 on Team B
player 6 1'000 on Team B
(Team B pool 2'101'000cbills)

The acutal numbers are all hidden until the end of the match

Lets say Team B wins what happens

First Player 1,2 and 3 lose their money and walk away with 0 cbills

Second player 4,5,6 get a split pot

So
player 4 gets (2'000'000/2'101'000) x (1'110'000) = 1'056'639cbills
player 5 gets (100'000/2'101'000) x (1'110'000) = 52'831cbills
player 6 gets (1'000/2'101'000) x (1'110'000) = 528cbills

And the rounding gods take 2 cbills


This way you can't farm the game for money because the money has to come from other players and players don't like losing cbills
also gold sellers can't take advantage because the pools are hidden you don't know who's bet and for how much. (well they could try but if they got unlucky and a player threw down for a big chunk in the pool at the same time they'd lose a big chunk of the cbills to a stranger)

And if you kept the betting to solaris type event or even a match of the day then it could work