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[Torgun]

IceSerpent, on 11 September 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

<S> to all founders! Am I fashionably late for our island reunion?

@PGI: You reap what you sow.

It's alright, here's you drink and enjoy the view from the beach.

[Apnu]

MarsAtlas, on 11 September 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

Funnily enough, from the time between the Town Hall and this reddit incident coming to light, I was considering buying MC. Town Hall got me encouraged. Granted, I was thinking about buying MC months from now, when it'll probably go on sale and after they would've had enough time to put their money where there mouth is.

Now, I'm thinking about selling off all of my mechs to keep myself from returning, if only because of PGI's sordid history and inability to admit mistakes were made. I want MWO to be good, and like I said earlier in this thread, I would've been a founder if I could've, but the company's relations with the community is just distasteful.

Haven't spent a penny snce Phoenix, with no current plans to do so in the future.

Yeah the Transverse thing gave me pause also.

I don't think you should sell off your mechs. Why waste your time? Just take a break from the game. Who knows, maybe PGI will fix things enough to motivate you to play again. If not, no sweat, you've moved on to bigger and better.

I keep playing because I love mechs and I have a good group of players to drop with. For me its all butter right now. I think your enjoyment of your investment would improve vastly if you found a unit that has good chemistry with your play style.

[TopDawg]

Domoneky, on 11 September 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

I have the feeling that even if PGI Does a complete 180, delivers on stellar above and beyond content, and anything else the community wants and then some The community will still be bitter and crusty and angry. One thing I learned in the Marine Corps is this: No one remembers the good you do but everyone will remember the bad.

Like I said even if they do everything we wanted, worked for maybe days on end without a break or a chance to see family, and deliver Top-Notch material, content, fixes, and communications We, The Community, will never forgive PGI. Ever. Am I saying that PGI is without fault? Of course not. They screwed up. A lot. But then again We, The Community, aren't necessarily exempt from judgment either. We all make suggestions here or there but what do we really do? I mean...What do we really, really do?

We bash, and scream, and yell, and demand human sacrifice for the wrong-doings. We, The Community, Simply will not be sated until "Internet Justice" Is carried out. That so called Justice calls for the complete and utter annihilation of a company and ruined lives. To close, I say PGI...You guys gotta remember that despite how hard you try, How well you engineer, How often you communicate and be transparent you'll never, ever regain anything from this Community except hatred, venom, and a call for blood.

And To the Community: Maybe we should take a step back, reevaluate ourselves and look at the monster we have become because even is PGI loses the IP or whatnot...its Us that will dictate whether or not another company even wants to risk even touching it. Why else has no one picked it up in the past? If the IP dies...the blame wont solely rest on PGI. We'll have to shoulder it some too.

I, on the other hand, am Not sure what to do from here on out. Maybe I'll take a break from both the game and the forums for a while. At least til college is done. Afterwards...who knows. Maybe things will be better, maybe worse. Maybe I'll officially retire from the Forums. I'm Old Guard....but also tired. Tired of the hate. The Lies. The Nerfs. The Buffs. The winnings. The Losings. The ForumWarriors, The White Knights, all of it. I'm Part of the Tired Guard.

That's a very sweeping overgeneralization. While there are a few posts I would have moderated (mostly related to personal attacks and wishing the ruination upon personal lives), the overwhelming majority has been fairly civil; if not constructive in places.

You are sending the exact wrong message with your post (arguably, the worst message actually). There are (more than likely) some who will not be able to let past transgressions go. There are (100% for sure) others who would still give MWO money if they made good on their promises and practices.

As I've already said, there's obviously a lot more wrong than just Niko's actions (far more encompassing than just this incident alone - although make no mistake, it is by no measure a 'small incident'); but he is an extremely unprofessional Community Manager, regardless of any other angles to be pursued.

Firing him--sacrificing him, whatever terminology you wish you to employ--will not solve all the woes of PGI. While I personally don't think he should keep his job, if he can clean up his act and actually do a proper job, it doesn't bother me in the slightest if he retains his position. But I am of the mind, that if you have identifiable 'wrongs' or 'bad', and choosing not to get rid of some of that in order to correct the course, well, you reap what you sow in the end.

[RedDragon]

Torgun, on 11 September 2014 - 09:45 AM, said:

It's alright, here's you drink and enjoy the view from the beach.

You mean this view?

[ArchbishopDave]

IceSerpent, on 11 September 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

<S> to all founders! Am I fashionably late for our island reunion?

@PGI: You reap what you sow.

I hope not, or else I'd be late too. Shame on PGI for this nonsense. I haven't played since Beta due to me buying the founders package on whim to get in to it and not quite enjoying the game as I had hope. It's sad though that for those who were really dedicated to the franchise, the game, years later, is probably not too different than what I remember it.

[Wolf Clearwater]

wwiiogre, on 11 September 2014 - 07:48 AM, said:

I was shocked Garth was fired and Niko was hired. Please bring back Garth, at least it seemed he cared about the game and the community.

Chris

I miss Garth. I used to get lucky and play in drops with him a bunch, he was always good fun and gave me great pointers for my light and medium mechs. He even contacted me directly when I spent tons of time at least once a week asking for a raven hero.....

Edited by Wolf87535, 11 September 2014 - 09:48 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

BlackBeltJones, on 11 September 2014 - 09:44 AM, said:

Niko was just trying to get the banned back together

I see what you did thar!

[Apnu]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 11 September 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

Dude 90% of the posts in this topic have been very civil. I have comrehension for ppl who allways talked civil and respectful to pgi but all they gained was disrespect and lies and now those ppl feel scammed

I would welcome everyone to speak out their thoughts in a kind way but there are valid reasons why ppl are pissed off

People feel scammed. Ain't that the truth. I don't feel scammed. I got a mech game and the guys I've played MechWarrior with for 14 years have a game to play together. So I'm good. Not because of what PGI's done a great job but because I have good times with my HHoD mates.

I'm disappointed in PGI, deeply, but I still mine good times out of this game (Thanks HHoD!) so I don't get worked up about it.

[Brut4ce]

Domoneky, on 11 September 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

I have the feeling that even if PGI Does a complete 180, delivers on stellar above and beyond content, and anything else the community wants and then some The community will still be bitter and crusty and angry. One thing I learned in the Marine Corps is this: No one remembers the good you do but everyone will remember the bad.

Like I said even if they do everything we wanted, worked for maybe days on end without a break or a chance to see family, and deliver Top-Notch material, content, fixes, and communications We, The Community, will never forgive PGI. Ever. Am I saying that PGI is without fault? Of course not. They screwed up. A lot. But then again We, The Community, aren't necessarily exempt from judgment either. We all make suggestions here or there but what do we really do? I mean...What do we really, really do?

We bash, and scream, and yell, and demand human sacrifice for the wrong-doings. We, The Community, Simply will not be sated until "Internet Justice" Is carried out. That so called Justice calls for the complete and utter annihilation of a company and ruined lives. To close, I say PGI...You guys gotta remember that despite how hard you try, How well you engineer, How often you communicate and be transparent you'll never, ever regain anything from this Community except hatred, venom, and a call for blood.

And To the Community: Maybe we should take a step back, reevaluate ourselves and look at the monster we have become because even is PGI loses the IP or whatnot...its Us that will dictate whether or not another company even wants to risk even touching it. Why else has no one picked it up in the past? If the IP dies...the blame wont solely rest on PGI. We'll have to shoulder it some too.

I, on the other hand, am Not sure what to do from here on out. Maybe I'll take a break from both the game and the forums for a while. At least til college is done. Afterwards...who knows. Maybe things will be better, maybe worse. Maybe I'll officially retire from the Forums. I'm Old Guard....but also tired. Tired of the hate. The Lies. The Nerfs. The Buffs. The winnings. The Losings. The ForumWarriors, The White Knights, all of it. I'm Part of the Tired Guard.

Hello Domoneky. Although you do try to be the calmer "words" of reason and i truly respect what you write,i have to disagree. I am not a founder, but surely am riding this train for 2 years since open beta, and if i had been informed of it earlier i would certainly have been a legendary founder too.

As many others in here, the amount of game time and money invested in this, out of pure love of Battletech and the mechwarrior IP is "considerable", to say the least. And i did enjoy it to the highest degree, and still am, always trying to swallow all the mistakes, business decisions and policies, with a sense of hope and as much positive attitude as possible. That outright is a first sign of what asset can a customer-loyal fan of an IP be.

The above statement though depicts NOTHING compared to the efforts of MANY mechwarrior-online gamers that, have not only constantly made, but are still making suggestions trying to best of their abilities to improve and promote the game as much as possible. And they have not refrained themselves to suggestions (or only talk as you say), many have really worked for FREE endless hours to promote the game doing anything from art, (remember spooky?) to programming web apps (remember smurfy, Li-song?), to making fan videos, twitch shows, web comics and compiling huge documents on game features, game guides and related mwo material(remember b33f, Koniving, Homeless Bill, Wauweli, Alistair, all the mwo-streamers etc.). And not ot fogret the efforts of all the people that have tried to create content for the game, to keep the interest to MWO alive throughout and in parallel to its (slow) development; people that brought up all the various leagues, mwo lobby, weekly mech events etc. etc. Not to mention all the people that brought up the units, making web pages, recruitment vids etc. I'm sure that others can quote even more material and people involved than this. So we do not only and have not only been making suggestions "here and there". And all the above? NOBODY of these people, EVER, asked anything for it in return. It was all because of each individual's love for the IP and the game and the hope of helping create an even better MW game than it was.

Furthermore, saying that people only remember the bad and not the good, is hugely dillusional and "exaggerated". If that were the case, then why we all remember MechWarrior2, Mechwarrior3, Mechwarrior:Living Legends, Wing Commander, Privateer, Starcraft, Dune, MechCommander 1 and many many other past GREAT games so fondly but have already dismissed from our memmory thousands of mediocre or bad ones? and i just quote examples from the gaming industry here; i won't even get started on other cultural areas.

Additionally, if gaming communities, and in essense the people behind them only saw the "negatives", and "bashed and yelled", then there wouldn't be a single gaming community alive today, so EVE, WoW, WoT, WT and many other online games that have been running for many years, some close to decade, should have "Closed shop" a long time ago. So clearly this is not the case, and apparently something is being done over there, that is not over here, and thus the current situation arose.

Concluding, i would like to close the post somewhere here, before it becomes a full blown essay (aka Wall of text)

<S>

Edited by Brut4ce, 11 September 2014 - 10:09 AM.

[Jacmac]

Jestunhi, on 11 September 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

There were threads full of constructive feedback about things like ECM and 3rd person.

When it became clear that approach was ignored many people lost interest in it.

Don't bother; he's a denier. It won't matter how many how many civilized, polite posts were made as constructive criticism on any given MWO 'issue', he will focus on the extremes as the reason PGI ignored them all. Apnu and people like him aren't even the problem. The problem is purely PGI having the hubris to believe that no matter what they did to the game, the vast majority of players would accept it and what they were doing would grow the game BIG in the long run. Since that hasn't panned out, they are learning the errors of their collective judgments. They had a copper mine, but they wanted a gold mine and have made a series of unfortunate blunders trying to find the gold.

Edited by Jacmac, 11 September 2014 - 10:00 AM.

[DDDs]

ArchbishopDave, on 11 September 2014 - 09:46 AM, said:

I hope not, or else I'd be late too. Shame on PGI for this nonsense. I haven't played since Beta due to me buying the founders package on whim to get in to it and not quite enjoying the game as I had hope. It's sad though that for those who were really dedicated to the franchise, the game, years later, is probably not too different than what I remember it.

When you have Founders coming back to make their FIRST post on the forums, you know something went wrong.

[SilentWolff]

WTF in here.

I'm mostly just saddened about how all the goodwill and excitement over a new MW game, has turned into anger, hate and disdain. Its also depressing to see all these old faces and realizing they no longer support this game due to the broken promises and incompetence.

As far as the n a z i moderating goes, I'm pretty offended that anyone thinks they can muzzle the opinions of players who are generally disenchanted with the game. Its not like these people arent going to voice their displeasure on teamspeak, on other forums, or in person to their family and friends and you are only going to stir the hornets nest even further doing that kinda stuff. Also, Ive been around since these forums opened and have never had an issue until recently, by a certain individual we all know and love and thats all I'm gonna say about it.

Edited by SilentWolff, 11 September 2014 - 09:54 AM.

[Brut4ce]

dfecht, on 11 September 2014 - 05:59 AM, said:

It didn't have to be this way. You were supposed to bring balance to the IP, not destroy it.

GGClose.

OMG! I just seen this! A founder's first words! After 3 years of silence! And what an excellent quote they are!
....sigh i have spilled my coffee.....again!

[MikeSteel]

RedDragon, on 11 September 2014 - 09:46 AM, said:

You mean this view?

Nooo, don't let it die, there aren't any other good mech games

Edited by MikeSteel, 11 September 2014 - 09:56 AM.

[AidenDark]

Jestunhi, on 11 September 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

There were threads full of constructive feedback about things like ECM and 3rd person.

When it became clear that approach was ignored many people lost interest in it.

This. Entirely this.

I had, for the longest time, a bookmarked post on this forum that someone had typed up that was in itself nearly two pages of well thought out ideas on how to properly handle ECM in a lore friendly and not game breaking way. It was in my mind one of the more brilliant ideas for fixing the issue. I remember bumping the thread a few times trying to get someone to notice it. Nothing. And ECM pretty much remains what it was at the beginning with only some minor changes.

[Torgun]

Wolf87535, on 11 September 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

I miss Garth. I used to get lucky and play in drops with him a bunch, he was always good fun and gave me great pointers for my light and medium mechs. He even contacted me directly when I spent tons of time at least once a week asking for a raven hero.....

Frankly I never got why people liked Garth so much. Whenever I saw him in a match he often behaved quite badly on the chat. I think once someone asked when they'd release the skirmish mode we have now, and the reply was "when you stop touching yourself".

[Oderint dum Metuant]

People after this threadnaught you should vote with your wallets and ignore the clan reinforcement pack.

How many of you will actually do so is another question.

[Blacksoul1987]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 11 September 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

Dude 90% of the posts in this topic have been very civil. I have comrehension for ppl who allways talked civil and respectful to pgi but all they gained was disrespect and lies and now those ppl feel scammed

I would welcome everyone to speak out their thoughts in a kind way but there are valid reasons why ppl are pissed off

It has been pretty civil and also funny the reason's are valid for sure. Really there's only a few that were really bad.

[Gwaihir]

Torgun, on 11 September 2014 - 09:56 AM, said:

Frankly I never got why people liked Garth so much. Whenever I saw him in a match he often behaved quite badly on the chat. I think once someone asked when they'd release the skirmish mode we have now, and the reply was "when you stop touching yourself".

People like him because he wasn't actively a huge **** to the community. He wasn't the best CM, but he wasn't actively hostile, so.

[AidenDark]

Gwaihir, on 11 September 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

People like him because he wasn't actively a huge **** to the community. He wasn't the best CM, but he wasn't actively hostile, so.

I'd say its a sad sign for how things are when you point out liking someone because "He wasn't ACTIVELY a ****"