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[General Discussion Kerensky]

Fastidious, on 10 September 2014 - 03:19 PM, said:

Niko will probably be promoted if anything.

Once he finishes Unsung Heroically banning us all for posting in this thread, they're going to give him a Star League Medal of Honor made out of ******* dipped in solid gold.

[TLBFestus]

Isn't it terrible when the Mods act unreasonable and overzealous?

Not to mention, I bet if someone else had start a post with this topic, they'd be;

1. exiled to K-town
2. Banned shortly thereafter.

Not having "free Speech" really sucks, eh?

Edited by TLBFestus, 10 September 2014 - 03:36 PM.

[Lanessar]

Holy cow! Look at all the Founders I remember from years ago!

Well, I suppose as far as reddit, this was the path they justified years ago in their own moderation policies. So, after that much moderation, you start to get funny in the head, and think reddit is a place you can do whatever the heck you like.

I, for one, am glad that people are raising the alarm. MWO has been missing not one, not two, not three, but all four pillars. Class warfare? Where is that? Information warfare? Is that now relabeled as "ecm"? And certainly the one thing I've waited for, for ages.

Community warfare.

I started Closed Beta in August of 2012, with community warfare being the one selling point not implemented which swayed me to purchase the game. The Client at that time showed much promise, good "rough" balance, and excellent gameplay.

Since, the design decisions and "workarounds" have dimmed my view of the actual match quality. I'd actually prefer the original client I was sold to what eventually happened. Weight classes mattered, and hunchbacks were just as deadly as Atlases. Class warfare and the different mech weights actually mattered. That has since declined.

My last login to the game was in early 2013, when after much delay, I realized CW wasn't making an appearance. By then, I had thrown close to $150 at the devs for the game promised.

I'm sure these and other posts will be deleted, moderated, I may be banned. There have been terrible development decisions, terrible QA, and during that time, the software company I work for as a developer now has more clients than MWO does, communicating to millions of customers per day. Their dev and QA practices were poor and addressed far too late, and community feedback went from positive, but passionate, to downright virulent. This was created through pushed timelines and disingenuous statements which, if any white knight thinks is generalization, just read the aforementioned timelines.

That they began a new project without getting the four pillars in on their flagship game, and expect players who did not receive the software promised on the backer page - and expect to be successful again in the crowdfunding sphere - is simply astonishing.

I don't hate PGI, or Russ, or Garth or Niko. But there needs to be less rage and more cold, factual discussion of non-delivery. This company didn't deliver on their promises for the "first" pseudo-MMO, and their aggressive timeline needs to be challenged for those people who might otherwise back a game not knowing their work ethic.

Again, they say "60 days" (rather "the next couple of months" for this pillar, more promises, as part of their current campaign.

I don't trust this further than I can throw it, and the other Founders here are probably a good representation that most of their previous backers agree. There are consequences for poor business practice, and if PGI actually resolved the issues, instead of "moderating" or "tempering expectations after the fact" or doing shady practices on reddit, we'd be singing a different tune.

Or at least I would. Good to see you all again, and I'm glad we worked together in the beginnings of this game. The current state isn't "our fault for being negative", it's the developers responsibility.

These are not "puppet accounts" made by a "minority of players" stating this. These are (were) your devoted backers.

Deliver what you promise. Even if it's mediocre, you won't be faulted for being a scam. It would just be disappointing, not the cause for posters like me to come out of the woodworks after a year and recommend that this company be heavily scrutinized before giving more money to it.

Edited by Lanessar, 10 September 2014 - 03:43 PM.

[Garandos]

Veneroso, on 10 September 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

Actions speak louder than words and right now even your most stalwart supporters such as myself are losing faith. Please don't give up on us.

Should rephrase that one

Why would we beg?

PGI Needs US to survive

We need them to have a nice game.

Can live without nice game.

Cant live without food on the table.

If anybody should BEG to not be given up upon, its PGI.

[NARCoMAN]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 10 September 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

Hey MechFans!

You may have heard the amusing news that we have been shadow-banned from Reddit. We're looking to get the situation fixed as soon as possible.

The issue in question stems from the fact that we had created a sub-reddit for r/Transverse in order to pre-empt any possible recreation of the events which occurred leading to the creation of r/OutreachHPG following the take-over of r/mwo. We also have some indications as to which group of players may be responsible. The shadow-ban did not stop at r/Transverse related staff. All PGI Staff have been banned and will be unable to address any concerns raised by players on OutreachHPG as a result.

Here is the message I have provided to various Admins and Moderators of Reddit.

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Greetings,

Taking from the points raised by Rlight below (http://www.reddit.co...ng_reddiquette/), as well as the fact that those requesting our SubReddit already have one of their own here: http://www.reddit.co...ansverseTheGame

We kindly request that our accounts be un-banned and our Reddit restored. Your Admins have already been messaged twice regarding these same users performing a take-over of r/mwo, forcing many of our fans to create new sub-reddits. You can refer to that message below:

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Hi there,

My name is Nikolai Lubkiewicz, Community Manager for Piranha Games Inc. We have set up the r/Transverse sub-reddit to be an official sub-reddit for our upcoming game. It seems request for ownership has been made by those who already took control of the fan sub-reddit for our other feature game r/mwo, as has been discussed here: http://www.reddit.com/r/mwo/comments/1u7hb2/rmwo_hostile_takeover/ and here http://www.reddit.com/r/mwo/comments/1uvnm0/farewell_rmwo/ The end result of this matter was catastrophic to our Reddit fan-base, resulting in many leaving to set up a new home in http://www.reddit.com/r/OutreachHPG/ We apologize for this matter disturbing you. Please ignore any requests for seizure of this sub-reddit. As we do not wish for it to fall into the hands of the gaming group which now controls r/mwo, one which is also strongly associated with events of player and staff harassment in multiple games.

We have otherwise followed any rules presented regarding the use of Reddit as directed here: http://www.reddit.com/rules/ If an error has been made, please let us know.

Those requesting our r/Transverse Reddit today have also already populated their own reddit here: http://www.reddit.co...ansverseTheGame , where they may behave and moderate as they please. As has been already discussed with your Administrative team, we remain concerned regarding the use of the term "Official" alongside our own trademark on r/mwo in a manner which seems to be used to misdirect many of our new and old players. We hope both these matters are resolved as soon as possible.

Thank you for your time.

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Here is where you can express your concerns to the Reddit Staff regarding their decision to shadow-ban our staff, whether you agree or disagree with that decision, and your concerns regarding the individuals they are offering the Reddit to. Feel free to include your concern regarding Reddit's decision to remove PGI staff who have had nothing to do with the r/Transverse project or it's sub-reddit, individuals like PGI_Fox, PGI_Karl, and so forth.

http://www.reddit.co...ng_reddiquette/


In the event that we are unable to recover our accounts, we will simply ask that players who are keen and interested create their own threads here Requesting /r/Transverse to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands.

http://www.reddit.com/r/redditrequest/

If we are unable to have our shadow-bans removed, then we will simply have to say farewell to those accounts. Some individuals on r/mwo have already taught us all too well how easy it is to simply generate a new account. We might return. We might not.

Hello my fellow founders, I'd like to join you in my disgust with Niko in general, as well as PGI. Here's my old account before I gave it away to a great friend of mine that got it banned for asking for a refund. http://mwomercs.com/...103-name140704/

Niko is the worst community manager of all time...ever.

Back when I played Asheron's Call, I remember thinking that I would never find a worse dev than Ken Troop. Niko, Ekman, Russell, Pauly...you broke that expectation into a commonuted fracture I never thought possible.

Niko especially. Playing the ******* victim after all the **** he has pulled. **** you guys for hiring that *******.

*shout out to my Scorps!

Damn an apology, FIRE NIKO

Niko

[Horrace]

Rallog, on 10 September 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

If the 'town hall' is to be believed, Niko was supposed to be putting up a poll to see if we wanted to lose game mode selection and in its place essentially put in a game mode 'vote' system that would also include a map vote as well.

I stopped paying attention to anything they said a long time ago.

[Torgun]

TLBFestus, on 10 September 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

Isn't it terrible when the Mods act unreasonable and overzealous?

It's a mixture of terrible, sad and hilarious at this point.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Kiyoshi Mizumura, on 10 September 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

Once he finishes Unsung Heroically banning us all for posting in this thread, they're going to give him a Star League Medal of Honor made out of ******* dipped in solid gold.

Pgi would be silly to bann ppl who posted their opinion which they couldnt tell regulary on the mwo forum. This is rare moment for pgi to see whats going on in ppl´s mind if the forum doesnt gets "cleaned "permanently.

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 10 September 2014 - 03:38 PM.

[Chemie]

Lord Ikka, on 10 September 2014 - 02:37 PM, said:

https://transversega...eative-director

"We'll refund your money if we don't hit 500k in 30 days."
Yeah right.

TOS says otherwise so that is a PGI promise at best ("our position at the time..."

[Locke Ravenford]

Welcome to the Reunion, everyone!

I seriously hope the "new direction" they're giving Niko is out the door.

Does anyone remember that one time when all the big Corps all got together in a single TS and came together in unity to settle on a list of actual grievances and demands that we delivered to PGI with the signatures of representatives for literally every Corp that was in the competitive scene? Yeah, that was like almost 2 years ago now. I remember how hopeful we all were? Yeah - a month or so of nothing after that and I stopped playing.

Every once and I while i check in with my corp members who still play - just to see what's changed.

The answer is "Nothing"

No new maps or new modes - just a ton of new grab deal mechs, a frustrating unintuitive UI, and no community warfare in sight.

You had a chance to do something beautiful, PGI. If you would listen to the community and make a dedicated commitment to take the entire project in a different direction - a direction in line with the demands of the fans - you may be able to redeem yourself.

As it is, you deserve to drown in this shitstorm you've created through your arrogance and avarice.

[Wo0t]

Been around with MWO a long time, always had faith in the development of this game despite all the nay sayers and tin foil hat wearers but this post.. Wow.. I mean, it feels like I am in high school reading the OP and the fallout afterwards. I have never come across a company that has acted to this extent.

What ever happened to the days of just pew pew'ing and dakka dakk'ing mechs? What happened when people made games for the love of the game. I am one sad panda today. :'(

Edited by Wo0t, 10 September 2014 - 03:40 PM.

[NARCoMAN]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 10 September 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

Pgi would be silly to bann ppl who posted their opinion which they couldnt tell regulary on the mwo forum. This is rare moment for pgi to see whats going on in ppl´s mind if the forum isnt get cleaned permanently

So you're saying they'll ban people?

[Zensei]

Serious Table, on 10 September 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

Throwing in my voice to say:

This is what you get, Niko. This is what you frakking get. I tried to give you advice on how to be an actual community manager, instead of a moderating tyrant, and this is what you get.

IMA have to affirm.

rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble

[Jaskel118]

One more gold tag to add to the list. C'mon PGI, this is like Ocean Marketing all over again.

[CSPshala]

Look at this. Look at all these people who showed up PGI. We WANT to spend cash on this game but you have **** PR (this situation and many others), ****** attitudes toward well thought out criticism (#saveMWO), and a general .... hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

What am I saying? We've said this all before over and over. See yall ******* in Star Citizen!

SQUAWK!

[Jacmac]

I said it over a year ago I'll say it again: PGI never learned the lessons that Star Wars Galaxies' multiple re-balances should have taught them before they started down the dark path of changes. You upset one segment of your player base, then another, then another, then another, until there is very little left that care what you do because they all stopped playing.

[Thronde]

If this thread isn't enough justification for PGI to sack Niko, it must have been REALLY bad at IGP for them to sack him.

[apostateCourier]

Watch, they'll spin this into being "quick and overwhelming support" of their policies based entirely on postcount.

[CSPshala]

So if Niko logs in once every 60 days do they go "EMPLOYEE RETAINED!!!" ?

[Novakaine]

Told ya the forums were more entertaining than the game.