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#681 redlance

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:38 PM

View PostIlvatu, on 10 September 2014 - 07:30 PM, said:

Hello Niko, another founder here. I use the SA forums and Reddit just about equally and I would like to get back to the topic of this post.

Many, if not all, PGI accounts have been "shadow-banned" from Reddit. This was due to your creation and heavy moderation of a new subreddit called /r/transverse to promote a kickstarter for PGI's new game. This was, in your words:



Most people who read /r/MWO regret the fallout that occurred there. This action you undertook to prevent this from happening in /r/transverse is a completely understandable prevention method from your perspective. However, if you had done your research, I think you would have found out that this actually goes against the neutrality and user moderation methods and policies of Reddit.

Reddit strongly frowns upon professionals, or owners of companies, running the respective subreddits of those entities. This is so that links shared on that website are created, shared, and upvoted/downvoted in a neutral environment. Positive or negative, its the community that decides on the content they want to see, not the moderators of that subreddit. This policy is in place to prevent people from doing exactly what you have done on Reddit. It is essentially this reason that you were banned, and your subreddit stripped away. You were attempting to circumvent the neutrality that Reddit prides itself on, and attempted to make /r/transverse a shout-box for PGI. Culling all content you disagree with, or shows the company in a bad light, and only promoting material that you agree with or approve of.

Reddit's policies are in place to prevent subreddits from becoming just this. People would stop using reddit if the respective subreddits for their favorite things were being moderated by the companies running those things. It represents a conflict of interest and of free speech for the users of Reddit, and goes against the very nature of Reddit itself.

Reddit is not a place you can go to and generate free advertising. It is a place where people can go to share their favorite links and discuss, without consequence, things they are interested in. Reddit is not like normal internet forums like these, or even SA, that you are familiar with. The community decides what content it sees, not the owners of the site or the subreddits.

You cannot just go to Reddit, create a subreddit, and moderate it how you do these forums. That's not how it works over there. You are obviously free to do things as you see fit here, but when you go to a 3rd party website you have to follow their policies. Just like we are not immune to yours here, you are not immune to theirs.

Furthermore, this thread represents an even worse situation. You have provided a link to where users of these forums can go and discuss the matter on Reddit. Users of Reddit would consider this to be "Brigading." Something you have, in your post, wrongfully accused members of SA doing to get your accounts banned on Reddit. "Brigading" itself has gotten a great many accounts on Reddit banned in the past, including SA members (/r/eve.) While the way you have linked to this thread on Reddit is very neutral, it is still a mass influx of users from this site to that one, and I doubt the mods of Reddit will view it in a good way. Asking users of this site to Brigade that thread for you is unlikely to change their actions.

For these reasons, I don't think that you should get the rights to /r/transverse back. Perhaps banning all your accounts was a bit extreme (especially in the cases of those who weren't really involved.) If you want to interact with Reddit, it is best to do it as a general user, not a moderator of the subreddit for your game.

Goons are not your enemy. They are not actively trying to sabotoge MWO. In fact, over the past couple weeks more and more goons have been flocking back to MWO. The ones who play aren't being as toxic as the ones in the SA thread, and many are defending the game (if not PGI employees). They want to be left alone to enjoy MWO, like everybody else. Many have spent money on the game in the last month, and are still actively playing and supporting your game. There aren't as many now as there used to be, but they are still a part of the community. It does nobody any favors calling them out like that.

Stop waging war over social media, Niko. If someone says something bad to you over Twitter, that doesn't mean you should ban their accounts here. If someone says something bad on Facebook, you shouldn't reference their name to their account info and ban them here. The same goes for Reddit and SA. You have no idea how many people are apprehensive to even talk about or post about MWO. They're afraid that no matter where they type you will ban them for the smallest slight. You want people talking more about the game. Thats how you generate more interest here and why your methods are actually impairing the MWO community, not improving it.


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#682 Bongfu

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:38 PM

View Postwanderer, on 10 September 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:


I am but a fool who occasionally trips over wisdom and generally does silly pictures with text instead.
And already, I am seeing "Banned" pop up occasionally in the thread here in place of poster handles.

It is a Bad Idea. At this point, I'd avoid banning -anyone- posting in this thread short of them engaging in graphic "Dude, you ASKED FOR IT" moves.

It's like keeping your gun locked up until you can count to sixty in a calm, rational fashion. This way, you don't shoot someone you'll regret later. I fear, however that at least one such round has been fired in anger rather than rationality, and that can never result in positive effects.

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Part of me hopes they ban everyone here. That way, PGI will just put that final nail in their coffin and die like they should have a year ago.

Sorry, maybe my drunkness has bled away my filter, but PGI... you were the chosen one. How could you fail us like this? We wanted a Battletech game and you screw us for your own profit.

If only I wasn't part of the minority, then you would hear me.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:41 PM

View PostBongfu, on 10 September 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:


Part of me hopes they ban everyone here. That way, PGI will just put that final nail in their coffin and die like they should have a year ago.

Sorry, maybe my drunkness has bled away my filter, but PGI... you were the chosen one. How could you fail us like this? We wanted a Battletech game and you screw us for your own profit.

If only I wasn't part of the minority, then you would hear me.



I vote that the community makes an Open source mech combat game with UE4. That blows PGI's game out the water :)

#684 Jestunhi

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:41 PM

I liked the OP so that I could then unlike it.

:lol:

#685 Vhetra

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:42 PM

PiGgI pls


Edited by Vhetra, 10 September 2014 - 07:43 PM.


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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:42 PM

View Postwanderer, on 10 September 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:


I am but a fool who occasionally trips over wisdom and generally does silly pictures with text instead.
And already, I am seeing "Banned" pop up occasionally in the thread here in place of poster handles.

It is a Bad Idea. At this point, I'd avoid banning -anyone- posting in this thread short of them engaging in graphic "Dude, you ASKED FOR IT" moves.

It's like keeping your gun locked up until you can count to sixty in a calm, rational fashion. This way, you don't shoot someone you'll regret later. I fear, however that at least one such round has been fired in anger rather than rationality, and that can never result in positive effects.

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You can allways try to express youself in a diplomatic way. The smartest of us will understand your message. You dont need to fire your machine gun. A water pistol can have the same effect if its fired in the right way and at the right time

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 10 September 2014 - 07:43 PM.


#687 TopDawg

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:44 PM

It's been said I'm sure, but bears repeating. Niko is not the cause of all of PGI's woes, but he certainly is not doing you any favors. Even after he gets all of you banned from reddit, he continues to post stupid (and most importantly, unprofessional) things to Twitter, not only to your customers (which is more than bad enough), but to people who actually run independent sites that generate traffic (i.e have at least a little reach).

Does he not get it? Do you not get it? This could be a critical decision in where and how MWO progresses (or doesn't) from here; a watershed moment, if you will. Your choice though, of course.

#688 MrVop

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:44 PM

Step 1: Run people out of your own forum.

Step 2: Realize that they can take the conversation somewhere else.

Step 3: Follow the crowd and attempt to take over to hide dissent.

Step 4: Get Booted for questionable behavior from sub moderation.

Step 5: Start sub for new game and have full control with no regard for ethics.

Step 6: Not my fault, why is no one kissing my ass... I'M SUPER IMPORTANT GUYS! GGGGGUUUUUYYYYYSSS!

Your end quip is so delicious, its so nice for you to tease us with your possible return to reddit.... Oh wont you grace us please! PLEASE!

If only you had your own website that player visited frequently in order to put out official information and create a hospitable space for users.... IF ONLY.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:46 PM

View PostAidenDark, on 10 September 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

Thank you for my new Sig and Reddit flare.


I think I just tripped over wisdom again, didn't I?

Seriously. I can understand Niko wanting to blame "Them.", where "Them" is "Goons" at the moment.

The alternative is there is a godzillion of real peoples out there in Islandia that are hating his guts right now from all directions, and that's nothing comfortable for anyone's psyche. Worse, that potentially that hatred could be deserved. Giving that a vent, even if it's not a really rational one in this case is a healthy thing to be doing.

If lightning rods could feel pain, this would be NIko's demense at the moment. The bad peoples are not on the island, Niko is on the island, which has irrationally grown to surround him on a small patch of sand.

*A "godzillion" is "the number of square inches one kaiju-sized beast (that is, Godzilla himself) takes up". It is a measure of numbers similar to a metric ****ton is in terms of weight.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:46 PM

View Postwanderer, on 10 September 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:

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Thats actually a poster whose name is "Banned"

Though they did ask to make their username a reality.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:46 PM

View PostDCM Zeus, on 10 September 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:


I have been lurking on the MWO Forums, and while I do miss the game. I miss you guys even more. :D

This needs to be put out there again, for all these founders to come back a bunch of things need to happen.

1. Fire Niko and Paul.

2. Get rid of Ghost heat.

3. Be transparent in everything you do.

4. Give us the promised features.

5. Stop making money grabs.

6. FINISH THE DAMN GAME!


This would bring me back to this game. I miss Mechwarrior. They could easily fix it, but they choose to be bullheaded and dumb.

I'll be in MWLL until this game gets fixed, or somebody with some brains acquires the IP.

#692 redlance

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:47 PM

You treated us like crap PGI, now were gonna follow you around for the rest of time until you die, and make sure everything you touch turns to crap. I hope your company dies. I hope you all lose your jobs and your wives leave you for EA exec's, and you get sick and end up homeless and rot in a gutter. You broke my heart, we built units from the ground up just to watch in horror as you ripped them down you greedy ******* heads.

#693 wanderer

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:49 PM

View PostJack Gallows, on 10 September 2014 - 07:09 PM, said:

All this and it's not even Christmas.

I love you all....

(jk, ghost love.)


With the number of people here, the ghost love multiplier must be obscene. I mean, it'd be like someone loaded up a 12-man with LRMboat Stalkers and replaced the missiles with arrows from Cupid.

View PostBolow, on 10 September 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

I can't even think of a punchline to this joke

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The Producers.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:51 PM

View Postwanderer, on 10 September 2014 - 07:49 PM, said:

The Producers.

Nah, "the Aristocrats".

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:52 PM

View PostJekrump, on 10 September 2014 - 07:46 PM, said:

This would bring me back to this game. I miss Mechwarrior. They could easily fix it, but they choose to be bullheaded and dumb. I'll be in MWLL until this game gets fixed, or somebody with some brains acquires the IP.



Speaking of, I just tried to hop in and I can't connect to the server browser. Is there something I missed? It worked last time I played, but that was a few months ago.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:53 PM

62 Transverse backers? This is just the friends and family pledge cycle to stress test.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:55 PM

View PostDresner, on 10 September 2014 - 07:51 PM, said:

Nah, "the Aristocrats".


As I was asked politely not to post the image that goes with my words, it has less of an impact.

But trust me. "The Producers".

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:56 PM

This is a most ironic turn of events.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 07:59 PM

Doh ho ho ho. This could not have been any more deserved or well timed.

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Posted 10 September 2014 - 08:00 PM

View PostTime Bandit, on 10 September 2014 - 07:04 PM, said:

I haven't seen this many Founders since the Dominion tried to take over the Federation.


I love you.
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