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[Saint Scarlett Johan]

DarthRevis, on 16 September 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

I play every night.....Come find me. NOOB

Here is the info for our TS,

IP: 184.82.141.207
PW: StranaMechty

Look for the Skull and Crossbones, Same name.

Come put your money where you mouth is...


All you have done is be rude, aggressive and insult everyone who opposed your comments. IF this will shut you up i am game.

Don't forget to record so we can all watch him #GE REKT

[Bullseye69]

The easiest way to fix ECM is allow it on all chassis then all advantage are gone. This is a joke so don't take it seriously /

[Carrioncrows]

If LRM's are overpower without ECM

Then LRM's were always overpowered and need adjusted.

Balancing the entirety of LRM's and Streaks off of a 1.5 ton module that only 6 mechs (9 variants out of 150+) can use is the very definition of insanity.

[DEN_Ninja]

Carrioncrows, on 16 September 2014 - 10:32 AM, said:

If LRM's are overpower without ECM

Then LRM's were always overpowered and need adjusted.

Balancing the entirety of LRM's and Streaks off of a 1.5 ton module that only 6 mechs (9 variants out of 150+) can use is the very definition of insanity.

Which is why I despise ECM/LRM's in their current form.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Mcgral18, on 16 September 2014 - 09:46 AM, said:

I can be on any time tonight...Are you going to let me Wub you?


Let me show you my Epeen!






MOAR WUB

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What is that? lol

Screenshots from months or years ago, before unit tags were implemented (note the LNW tags).

Do what I did. Post screenshots you took from today!!

DarthRevis, on 16 September 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

I play every night.....Come find me. NOOB

Here is the info for our TS,

IP: 184.82.141.207
PW: StranaMechty

Look for the Skull and Crossbones, Same name.

Come put your money where you mouth is...


All you have done is be rude, aggressive and insult everyone who opposed your comments. IF this will shut you up i am game.

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I asked what time you're on. You said "tonight" as if I would know what timezone you're in.

What makes you think I have any interest in talking to someone who doesn't have the sense to specify if they're on american or european time?

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Carrioncrows, on 16 September 2014 - 10:32 AM, said:

If LRM's are overpower without ECM

Then LRM's were always overpowered and need adjusted.

Balancing the entirety of LRM's and Streaks off of a 1.5 ton module that only 6 mechs (9 variants out of 150+) can use is the very definition of insanity.

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If LRM's are overpowered, then why do many forum posters propose nerfing ECM further?

That in my eyes, is more insane than anything.

There's nothing wrong with balancing missiles off of rare equipment like ECM.

I find it strange how many of you choose to support the tabletop rules when it gives you a "reason" to nerf jump jets in claiming that canon battletech says jumpjets are for maneuverability only.

And, yet many of you go against the tabletop rules when it says that ECM is a rare component. Given that you favor more than a small number of mechs having the ability to mount ECM.

So, there is essentially a massive double standard people have when it comes to classic battletech and the rules they choose to follow. They tend to cherry pick whichever perspective supports their own bias. And they tend to be extremely inconsistent which translates to inaccuracy.

Edited by I Zeratul I, 16 September 2014 - 12:28 PM.

[Mcgral18]

I Zeratul I, on 16 September 2014 - 12:18 PM, said:

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What is that? lol

Screenshots from months or years ago, before unit tags were implemented (note the LNW tags).

Do what I did. Post screenshots you took from today!!

Like I said, I wasn't at my desktop. Would you really like me to go through my screenshots, find 3 1k+ matches from the past week, and upload them, just for you?

I do have them available. Your Lurms will never compare to the Wub.

[Carrioncrows]

I Zeratul I, on 16 September 2014 - 12:18 PM, said:

If LRM's are overpowered, then why do many forum posters propose nerfing ECM further?

Because ECM effects far more gameplay elements than just LRM's.

Take Dark maps or even Night maps.

ECM can single-handedly win those match with out a single LRM being used. Why? Because one team can engage you with impunity because the other team simply can't "SEE" that mech.

There is a lot more issues with ECM than just LRM's sir.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Mcgral18, on 16 September 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

Like I said, I wasn't at my desktop. Would you really like me to go through my screenshots, find 3 1k+ matches from the past week, and upload them, just for you?

I do have them available. Your Lurms will never compare to the Wub.

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Despite what you might think, I don't really care about damage.

I know there are a lot of people who hang out in the middle of a pack who rack up big numbers, never taking risks, never really doing anything to earn their scores. The numbers are misleading and don't mean anything. I have seen others post similar numbers on the forums and when I've seen them in game they were really not very good players.

I just wanted to prove that LRM boats still work, despite what those who claim ECM needs to be nerfed because LRM's don't work anymore and see what kind of damage I could do in a single day with an LRM boat.

I never thought people would get offended or start to complain about it seeming "aggressive" or "unfriendly" to them.

But, given that this is MWO -- maybe I should have known better.

In my case, I won't take a policy of appeasement like others have. I'm going to call the nonsense where I see it. If people here are going to complain 24/7 about irrelevent things, maybe I can give them something to complain about.

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Carrioncrows, on 16 September 2014 - 12:36 PM, said:

Because ECM effects far more gameplay elements than just LRM's.

Take Dark maps or even Night maps.

ECM can single-handedly win those match with out a single LRM being used. Why? Because one team can engage you with impunity because the other team simply can't "SEE" that mech.

There is a lot more issues with ECM than just LRM's sir.

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1 ECM can cover an entire team.

But 1 sensor lock can be used by all LRM boats on a team as well.

It balances out.

Edited by I Zeratul I, 16 September 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[Mcgral18]

I Zeratul I, on 16 September 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

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Despite what you might think, I don't really care about damage.

I know there are a lot of people who hang out in the middle of a pack who rack up big numbers, never taking risks, never really doing anything to earn their scores. The numbers are misleading and don't mean anything. I have seen others post similar numbers on the forums and when I've seen them in game they were really not very good players.

I just wanted to prove that LRM boats still work, despite what those who claim ECM needs to be nerfed because LRM's don't work anymore and see what kind of damage I could do in a single day with an LRM boat.

I never thought people would get offended or start to complain about it seeming "aggressive" or "unfriendly" to them.

But, given that this is MWO -- maybe I should have known better.

Do you know the range on IS pulse lasers? I can't stay in the back. It's a pushing mech, designed to kill things before it overheats. It does that very well, at very short range.

WubShee requires MOAR WUB.


Besides, all that Lurm damage is spread damage, all over the mech, unless you're using LRM5s+A+TAG+LoS.

They farm damage, but as you say, damage is useless. hence why the WubShee pumps out nearly 10 damage per 0.1 seconds. It hurts where I aim it.

Edited by Mcgral18, 16 September 2014 - 12:43 PM.

[Wolfways]

ECM is necessary? If you suck at the game maybe...

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Mcgral18, on 16 September 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

Do you know the range on IS pulse lasers? I can't stay in the back. It's a pushing mech, designed to kill things before it overheats. It does that very well, at very short range.

WubShee requires MOAR WUB.


Besides, all that Lurm damage is spread damage, all over the mech, unless you're using LRM5s+A+TAG+LoS.

They farm damage, but as you say, damage is useless. hence why the WubShee pumps out nearly 10 damage per 0.1 seconds. It hurts where I aim it.

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Oh. That brawler build in your sig is your mech of choice? Looks cool. I run a 400XL in my boar's head with 5 ER LL. No clue as to how someone would use that many m pulse lasers.

Wolfways, on 16 September 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

ECM is necessary? If you suck at the game maybe...

I would guess you're someone who doesn't play the game.

Because when you do, you lose 25+ games in a row.

So, now you just hang out on the forums and pretend to be "superior". Like a high percentage of forum posters, do.

Which we all know is a lie.

Because even JagerXII and other elite level pilots in this game die to LRM's in their live streams, sometimes.

ECM is definitely necessary for days when LRM's are out of control.

If you're not having those days, you must not be on enough to know they exist.

Edited by I Zeratul I, 16 September 2014 - 12:58 PM.

[Mcgral18]

I Zeratul I, on 16 September 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

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Oh. That brawler build in your sig is your mech of choice? Looks cool. I run a 400XL in my boar's head with 5 ER LL. No clue as to how someone would use that many m pulse lasers.

They don't have ghost heat, and make a nice noise. There was also nothing else to do with the tonnage.

As such, WUB WUB WUB.

[Ngamok]

I Zeratul I, on 15 September 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

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Empty words from both of you.

I think if either of you still played this game on a regular basis, you would quickly be rid of your misconceptions.

I saw KharnZor last night.

[DEN_Ninja]

Ngamok, on 16 September 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

I saw KharnZor last night.

I saw you yesterday. You barstool you shot at me. I could have died you know.

Edited by Tichorius Davion, 16 September 2014 - 01:01 PM.

[Gremlich Johns]

I say leave ECM as is.

Why?

The change I want is a missile that will vector in on the ECM equipment. ECM, as used in this game, broadcasts on barrage setting that covers not only radar, but radio comms, and emits a LOT of electromagnetic energy. (it is not subtle)

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 16 September 2014 - 01:01 PM.

[Project_Mercy]

Both are just hard systems. They either work or they don't work. The rest of the game actually involves at least a modicum of skill or ability to accomplish something. LRMs are exacerbated by the fact that they don't even take speed into account. The best weapon for shooting lights should not be indirect firing a weapon that in TT is barely effective at indirect fire and used primarily to rough other mechs up or finish off fleeing mechs, not as an artillery boat with 19 Tons of ammo. And ECM just exacerbates a targeting system that doesn't make sense to begin with. Why exactly are my eyes better sensors than my normal mech sensors? It might as well be steampunk, not battletech.

What this game and discussion needs a lot more of is everyone, especially PGI devs, starting up a fresh/new unknown account, and just playing caustic and alpine peaks over and over again, in solo queue, with a HBK-4G with an ac/20.

[Wolfways]

I Zeratul I, on 16 September 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

I would guess you're someone who doesn't play the game.

Because when you do, you lose 25+ games in a row.

So, now you just hang out on the forums and pretend to be "superior". Like a high percentage of forum posters, do.

Which we all know is a lie.

Because even JagerXII and other elite level pilots in this game die to LRM's in their live streams, sometimes.

ECM is definitely necessary for days when LRM's are out of control.

If you're not having those days, you must not be on enough to know they exist.

You'd guess wrong then. I'm often on for 6+ hours in a day at least most days a week.
I do get many losses but not 25+. I think my longest loss run is about 15.
I can't say I've noticed the higher ELO players dieing to LRM's, but i have noticed Sean Lang uses Radar Dep. on all his mechs and i can't for the life of me figure out why. To me it's about as useful as a flamer.

This is only in the solo queue though so i don't know what the group queue is like.

But yeah, if someoe does something that you can't do the most logical thing to do is assume they are lying...

Edited by Wolfways, 16 September 2014 - 01:17 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Given that LRMd are the only weapon system that needs an upgrade (Artemis), module slots (advanced decay), nd a laser slot (TAG), also you have to keep in LOS for most of that to work as I understand it, you need to keep a lock from firing to when the missiles hit just to do average damage and can be completely shut down by a 1.5 ton item (ECM) Id have to say its not a problem.

[Ngamok]

Mordin Ashe, on 16 September 2014 - 02:44 AM, said:

If only 6 people out of 12 have AMS, all LRMs are useless, simple as that. No ECM can change this.

I run AMS on at least 75% of my mechs.

Joseph Mallan, on 16 September 2014 - 04:41 AM, said:

Well it is Missiles we are discussing.

kinda does look like the sky is falling donchathink?

[Davers]

I Zeratul I, on 16 September 2014 - 12:54 AM, said:

Maybe I was in a low ELO bracket before.

I'm used to 600-1000 damage games with an LRM boat with no tag.

Maybe if ECM is nerfed I can average 800-1k damage in a higher ELO bracket.

From tonight.

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Hopefully I will run into some of the naysayers in this thread at some point.

that's a lot of kill stealing! I bet those Jäger pilots on your team were mad as hell!



Just kidding