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[Bront]

Verdic Mckenna, on 17 September 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

You my good friend are displaying what is considered "Adult behavior". Where while you are conflicted for your own personal reasons - you are making a decision to improve the quality of life for the "whole". Cut that crap out - this is the MWO forums!

You should be like the rest of them -

The worry is this:

1) Do I let PGI damage their rep with folks who expect limited edition/when it's gone it's gone to actually mean that.

or

2) Do I prevent people who want to give PGI money from giving PGI money.

I'd still rather they come up with a new pack (or simply say "Buy 2 Mech Mastery Packs in the store")

[Verdic Mckenna]

My feeling is this -

There has always been a need for (And SHOULD BE) a Mechwarrior Online Collector's Pack. There should be multiple bundles (Better than whats currently in the Store) that offers a number of chassis' and their variants at bundled value prices. It isn't really there in any substantial way, and it honestly should be. As long as it provides value - and mechs by volume - then I don't even mind if they don't have unique paint or geometry. Just give me the C-Bill Bonus on the Primary Variants or include the Hero mech in the pack like we have with some of the Mastery Bundles.

Do an entire IS Pack for several hundred dollars. An entire Clan pack for several hundred dollars. If you build it, they will come.

Bront, on 17 September 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

The worry is this:

1) Do I let PGI damage their rep with folks who expect limited edition/when it's gone it's gone to actually mean that.

or

2) Do I prevent people who want to give PGI money from giving PGI money.

I'd still rather they come up with a new pack (or simply say "Buy 2 Mech Mastery Packs in the store")

[Lightdragon]

good luck with that, pgi cares nothing abouyt their playerbase and only sees us as walking atm machines

[ShadowbaneX]

Pendraco, on 17 September 2014 - 09:20 AM, said:

I don't think any such assumption is being made at you individually. The timing of this thread does call some peoples motives into question. Life can suck that way, I do understand.

That is exactly what I read in at least half a dozen posts in the first few pages of this thread. Essentially a bunch of people patting themselves on the pack with one arm for having the $80 for the Overlord back when it first came out and giving everyone else the finger with the other.

Edited by ShadowbaneX, 17 September 2014 - 05:42 PM.

[Jon Gotham]

Cion, on 16 September 2014 - 04:47 AM, said:

I like this. Personally, I like to buy MC, so I've gotten no "packs". With the king crab coming up I'm considering the clan wave 2, but I'm an IS guy, and don't really like the thought of a clan pack. Gimme the Phoenix pack at the right price and I'm buying . Good idea on skipping the custom geometry, the badge or maybe the hanging items.

If PGI wants to keep the Phoenix pack special, then maybe group another bunch of IS mechs for sale?

They could do a pack called "old guard" (I robbed that from another thread, so a tip o' the hat to whomever coined it:P) this could include Sarah's Jenner. Donate half the proceeds to the same charity, give the King Crab to the peeps who spring the $120.

Get a free mech and donate to charity at the same time, win win?

[Tesunie]

Hades Trooper, on 16 September 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Well then you admitting to breaking the T&A as having a 2nd account isn't allowed

Actually, a remark from a moderator on multiply accounts basically boiled down to "as long as you don't puppet your second account in the forums (talking to yourself), and you don't use your second account to go around a ban, there is no problem with having multiple accounts".

I myself have two accounts, one I just recently created. I created my second account, and have been very obvious that my second account and this account are run by the same person. I create that account as a stock mech only account, as I'm challenging myself to play stock mechs in public matches, and on into CW. I did this so my Elo would be at my Stock Mech levels, as well as to create and participate in a non-faction specific merc group of other people who also are dedicated to running a "stock mech only challenge". These are things I could not do with a single account.

So far, and moderators know I have the two accounts and why I have them, nothing has come about it. As far as my understanding goes, there are very few restrictions (using it for "gang up" on the forums, and trying to circumvent a ban) to the number of accounts one can have, and what each of those accounts can be used for within the ToS.

[Kell Commander]

Sparks Murphey, on 16 September 2014 - 06:41 AM, said:

Sounds like the perfect time for Operation Clanbuster!

The Hussar. The Wyvern. The Champion. And, of course, the King Crab. One of each weight class, matching the Clan Wave 2. If you already own the Overlord Phoenix pack and buy the King Crab pack, you get the Black Knight thrown in too, just like the Mad Dog for the Clanners. Of course, if you buy the highest rank of the (hypothetical) Clanbuster pack, you've already got the King Crab, so instead you get a free Gargoyle.

How about instead substitute the King Crab with the Zeus or Cyclops? Reward for top tier can stay the same and I like those two assaults.

[Bilbo]

ShadowbaneX, on 17 September 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

That is exactly what I read in at least half a dozen posts in the first few pages of this thread. Essentially a bunch of people patting themselves on the pack with one arm for having the $80 for the Overlord back when it first came out and giving everyone else the finger with the other.

They could re-release the all the previous mech packs, for all I care, so long as the extra goodies aren't included.

[Scratx]

Bront, on 17 September 2014 - 11:28 AM, said:

The worry is this:

1) Do I let PGI damage their rep with folks who expect limited edition/when it's gone it's gone to actually mean that.

or

2) Do I prevent people who want to give PGI money from giving PGI money.

I'd still rather they come up with a new pack (or simply say "Buy 2 Mech Mastery Packs in the store")

Neither. I made a suggestion earlier that fixes that problem. I'll refine it here.

Inner Sphere Faction Pack ( one per faction )

(example will be Liao)

One Hero, one Champion and one Standard variant mech, with mechbay included!
Spider! Vindicator! Cataphract! Battlemaster(?)!

(Battlemaster aside, which I'm not sure house Liao uses, all those mechs are Liao mechs IIRC. Replace as needed for other factions, for example Davion gets ??? for light, Centurion, Jagermech, Victor)

[20] bucks per level! With escalating PREMIUM time! And some extra swag as bonus (faction loyalty mugs, banners and the like).

Maxes out at [80] bucks.

Multiply by SIX for the whales (no offense intended, I probably count as one ) who want all the packs (one each for LC, FS, DC, CC, FWL and FRR) and that's 480 bucks. Hey, that's a gold mech

Anyway, top level would be equivalent to Overlord, so that's your King Crab there. And something like this is pretty easy to get started. Moreover, this pack doesn't need to be limited edition or anything. It can stay forever. In fact...

...I'd also create a Inner Sphere Faction Starter Pack at [20] bucks including like [7] days of that premium time plus the Champion variants with an upgrade path to the full deal as a way to get some bucks from new players who want something relatively cheap to help get them started!

Toss in some mech bays packages that could be bought separately priced at impulse buy levels ( "Four is for Lance" [2.99], "Twelve stands for Company" [6.99], "Thee times a dozen makes a Battalion" [14.99] ) and there may just be quite a few people making some buys there as well. And we know that once somebody spends money on a game they're far more likely to spend more.


Just a few ideas I had...

[Ted Wayz]

No one is giving anyone the finger. I am just not a fan of people buying a lottery ticket after the numbers have been announced.

So instead of asking for what were supposed to be exclusive items without a pre-order (Phoenix variants, even faux Founders Packs) why don't you put a little thought into your request? And apply the same criteria that people who bought the previous packs had to deal with.

There is talk of a "Clanbuster Pack". These will be IS mechs. Why not lobby PGI to move up the date of the pre-order of that pack and have that qualify for the King Crab? That way you can take the same risks and lose the same opportunity on money up front that we other purchasers managed to weather.

I am sure there are similar ideas that would not de-value exclusive items. Because personally I want that Pandora's box to stay closed.

[Olunn]

Anyone else find it odd that if you buy top tier clan packs you get everything, including IS hero crab. but the opposite is not true of IS packages including those who bought both legendary founders/overlord, we don't get the mad dog even if we have bought clan ala carte or lesser packages. imo they should have made only IS packages eligible for the king crab hero, or make the mad dog available to those phoenix/legendary for a lesser additional cost. as much as I love them for giving us so much free stuff, and newfound respect, I really can't help but to think that the mad dog is really a cash grab.

[Scratx]

Olunn, on 17 September 2014 - 06:01 PM, said:

Anyone else find it odd that if you buy top tier clan packs you get everything, including IS hero crab. but the opposite is not true of IS packages including those who bought both legendary founders/overlord, we don't get the mad dog even if we have bought clan ala carte or lesser packages. imo they should have made only IS packages eligible for the king crab hero, or make the mad dog available to those phoenix/legendary for a lesser additional cost. as much as I love them for giving us so much free stuff, and newfound respect, I really can't help but to think that the mad dog is really a cash grab.

The Mad Dog is the honey to get people to max out on both clan packs, yes.

There's absolutely nothing wrong in allowing clan packs to qualify for giving you IS swag, either.

[Olunn]

Scratx, on 17 September 2014 - 06:04 PM, said:

The Mad Dog is the honey to get people to max out on both clan packs, yes.

There's absolutely nothing wrong in allowing clan packs to qualify for giving you IS swag, either.

it's really strong honey bro. I can feel my wallet getting lighter already.

[GRiPSViGiL]

This ruins the exclusivity of the Phoenix version but since I did get pre-purchase and goal rewards that won't be included then I am okay with this. I am okay with anything that generates revenue as long as none of the early purchase and goal rewards are included.

[Malleus011]

After a lot of reading and discussion in another thread, I'm coming to the conclusion that PGI shouldn't reissue Phoenix. Too many Phoenix owners want it to remain exclusive. (And awful lot are OK with it as well, and more if it's limited in some way, but there are, in my opinion, too many who would be rightfully offended at a reissue).

With that in mind, I have a question - does the OP (and those in the same boat as him) really want Phoenix, specifically, or just an IS 'mech pack available for those who'd like a way to get the King Crab without buying Clantech?

If it's the latter, there's no reason PGI can't address that, with several possible options:

A. Create the oft-discussed Clanbuster Pack, and allow pre-orders in time to get the King Crab bonus.
B. Bundle the next four IS 'mechs into a pack, and allow pre-orders in time to get the King Crab bonus.
C. Create an entirely new pack of four IS 'mechs, and allow pre-orders in time to get the King Crab bonus.
D. Bundle the 'best' existing IS Light, Medium, Heavy, and Assault together into a 'Successor States Pack' with some premium time and other goodies. Add a 'Champion' version to each primary variant with a 30% earning boost (like Phoenix). Sell them immediately. This pack stays on sale permanently.

Naturally these packs would have tiers and prices set by PGI. (The last could also benefit from selling the 'Champion' version a la carte, since they would be in no way exclusive, but players might want them).

This would allow IS players who don't have F or PP top their an opportunity to get the coveted King Crab hero before the end of the year, and for PGI to raise yet more funds to invest in Community Warfare.

Edited by Malleus011, 17 September 2014 - 06:38 PM.

[Roadkill]

Malleus011, on 17 September 2014 - 06:36 PM, said:

A. Create the oft-discussed Clanbuster Pack, and allow pre-orders in time to get the King Crab bonus.
B. Bundle the next four IS 'mechs into a pack, and allow pre-orders in time to get the King Crab bonus.
C. Create an entirely new pack of four IS 'mechs, and allow pre-orders in time to get the King Crab bonus.
D. Bundle the 'best' existing IS Light, Medium, Heavy, and Assault together into a 'Successor States Pack' with some premium time and other goodies. Add a 'Champion' version to each primary variant with a 30% earning boost (like Phoenix). Sell them immediately. This pack stays on sale permanently.

D is lacking, because there will be people (possibly a lot of them) who want to buy this pack but already own most if not all of the "best" IS Mechs. D also lacks the "future investment" aspect of the Founders, Phoenix, and Clan packs - you'd be buying something that is already well-known, whereas the pack purchases were buying on blind faith.

A, B, and C all seem fine, with B being the most viable on short notice.

A and C require them to hastily figure out what those "new" Mechs would be, whereas B only requires them to announce the Mechs that are almost certainly already somewhere in the production queue. That makes B both easy to do, and more importantly from PGI's perspective, relatively safe to do. A or C would also be great, I just see them as less viable from PGI's perspective.

[Pendraco]

What worries me is I do not remember to much getting done with the game while working on clan mechs. Now we have them, along with deadlines for maps, CW and hopefully a dropship game mode. Is anyone willing to push that stuff off because a few guys find themselves without a way to qualify for the KC gift mech in the way they would prefer?

How 'bout it PGI? If you say you can pump out 4 new IS mechs without compromising the timeline and in time for guys to qualify for the KC gift mech I will buy said pack on day one - promise.

[Bilbo]

Pendraco, on 17 September 2014 - 07:12 PM, said:

What worries me is I do not remember to much getting done with the game while working on clan mechs. Now we have them, along with deadlines for maps, CW and hopefully a dropship game mode. Is anyone willing to push that stuff off because a few guys find themselves without a way to qualify for the KC gift mech in the way they would prefer?

How 'bout it PGI? If you say you can pump out 4 new IS mechs without compromising the timeline and in time for guys to qualify for the KC gift mech I will buy said pack on day one - promise.

Honestly, I think most of the delay had to do with designing and implementing the systems required by the Clan mechs, rather than making the mechs themselves.

[Dark DeLaurel]

Pendraco, on 17 September 2014 - 07:12 PM, said:

What worries me is I do not remember to much getting done with the game while working on clan mechs. Now we have them, along with deadlines for maps, CW and hopefully a dropship game mode. Is anyone willing to push that stuff off because a few guys find themselves without a way to qualify for the KC gift mech in the way they would prefer?

How 'bout it PGI? If you say you can pump out 4 new IS mechs without compromising the timeline and in time for guys to qualify for the KC gift mech I will buy said pack on day one - promise.

I would rather see maps, modes, CW, etc before anymore `Mechs. I can see the Wave 2 `Mechs coming out before CW just for the fact the Clans need more `Mechs. For those that say each has two variants! well not really, the Omni Pods fix that so everything can be everything for the most part.

[Pendraco]

hmmm - sorry, for some reason quotes do not work for me???

Then it should be easy for them to jump in and say - no problem guys, we got this! I would be happy, they would get yet another $120 out of me and all these guys can get they're gift mech - problem solved.

Edit: I do not know anything about coding games......but doesn't the clan use all the same systems..just with different values?

Edited by Pendraco, 17 September 2014 - 07:20 PM.