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#301 Pendraco

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 06:56 AM

How about, instead of rushing out an IS pack just so some people can get the KC gift. Gift the KC to any that own 5 or more hero Mechs? Or like someone mentioned, anyone that has purchased X amount of MC since launch?

I am pretty sure more IS mechs are on the way, I just don't want the current timetable to be affected we need, Maps, CW and Dropship now. This way, those that have spent money, but missed IS packs get rewarded (as they should) and others still have a means to qualify for said gift.?


Edit: Uhm, except Phex....He REALLY wants an IS mech pack ;-)

Edited by Pendraco, 18 September 2014 - 06:58 AM.


#302 Bront

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 07:02 AM

View PostRuss Bullock, on 17 September 2014 - 11:45 PM, said:

Very interesting thread.

I see the desire from our IS pilots, but I don't know what the best solution is yet.

Many, many folks have suggested a clanbuster pack based on the Clanbuster retrofits of the Hussar, Wyvern, Champion, Black Knight and King Crab (1 light, 1 medium, 2 heavies. and 1 assault). Options would be to possibly have a 4 pack with the King Crab as the obvious bonus mech (purchase max Phoenix and Clanbuster, get all 3 variants of the King Crab, max out either, and just get the King Crab special variant). If want do the standard 1 of each weight class, ditch one of the heavies (Champion most likely, most folks seem to want the Black Knight), and include some other mech that's in MWO's version of the clanbuster pack (The Imp maybe?)

Just a thought, that's been passed around for over a year (I saw it in phoenix threads as the likely next pack prior to that release).

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 07:12 AM

View PostDark DeLaurel, on 18 September 2014 - 12:38 AM, said:


Yes it was a good deal, but my statement still stands. The game was having some major balancing issues, nobody knew the what was going on internally with PGI other than they were missing deadlines, etc. Yet people still bought the packs, and had to wait till they were released. I dont think we even found out variants until they were almost released, so that would be sight unseen and rocky game future.


So people who bought $100 MC packs around the time of Phoenix didn't buy during major balancing issues? They knew what was going on with pgi internally? The people who bought MC right after founders in 2012 didn't buy with faith that the game would improve? The people who buy hero mechs get to try them before they buy them? People who buy and activate large chunks of premium time get to know that the game won't make big changes that they won't like.
No, that isn't the case. There is not much of a difference. And somebody that spent more money simply spent more money which is more support to pgi.

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 07:16 AM

View PostBront, on 18 September 2014 - 07:02 AM, said:

Many, many folks have suggested a clanbuster pack based on the Clanbuster retrofits of the Hussar, Wyvern, Champion, Black Knight and King Crab (1 light, 1 medium, 2 heavies. and 1 assault).


It's a cool sounding idea but not realistic. Either for PGI to be expending resources on at the moment, or for most of us to afford. I'll be tapped out enough for the next 6 months spending another $120 on the Man O' War package.

I find it kind of funny that finances were (legitimately) one of the main things holding back people from buying the Founders or Phoenix programs, so their solution is for PGI to come out with another $120 package. Somehow, I don't think that will solve the problem for many money conscious folks heh.

Better to just re-release Phoenix (requiring little extra resources from PGI) including all cockpit items/paint, but without the forum badge.

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 07:46 AM

My only disappointment is I always bought the 2nd down pack from the top because I don't really like assaults that much, not because I wasn't willing to have bought more had there been something that I wanted. It kinda sucks because at the time I purchased those I could've gotten the highest tiers, I just didn't because assault mechs don't hold much value for me. Kinda the same reason I bought the pheonix upgrade and not the battlemaster, love me some medium and heavies, not so much assaults.

Regular Crab would be more exciting to me, but whatever.

#306 Jon Gotham

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 09:17 AM

View PostDark DeLaurel, on 18 September 2014 - 03:52 AM, said:


ugly underpinnings

Your reply sadly confirms my thoughts, especially on the financial aspect of things. You also failed to acknowledge what I said about Is purists wanting a way to get the crab via an Is pack of some kind.
You also failed to comment on my charity based idea, which I did pm Russ about by the way. As for your posts, I actually have read very few of them and probably won't even bother to read any more due to the tone and underlying ugly attitude, especially the "poor me" comment this was especially disgusting and insensitive btw).
Sitting there on a high horse going "lalalala" whilst flicking us the finger is not appropriate behaviour in this case, coming up with a solution-like I tried to do is. "Deal with it" is only appropriate in very few circumstances in life, and this isn't one of them because it can be easily solved, by using compassion for your fellow man.

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 09:36 AM

This is a bad idea. There will be future unique variants available, I'm sure. A re-issue of a preorder pack sort of undermines things.

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 09:40 AM

I think the better solution is a new tiered IS "clanbuster" package with some new IS muscle.. Marauder, Black Knight, Buccaneer or Hatchetmen perhaps? Something that can truly shake up the meta.. Top tier gets the 30% cbill bonus King Crab.

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 09:45 AM

View PostTenacious B, on 18 September 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

I think the better solution is a new tiered IS "clanbuster" package with some new IS muscle.. Marauder, Black Knight, Buccaneer or Hatchetmen perhaps? Something that can truly shake up the meta.. Top tier gets the 30% cbill bonus King Crab.


Not if it interferes with new MAPS, CW and DROPSHIP mode. Not much of anything got done while they were working on clans. I am sure there will be another IS pack like you describe, but not in time for the King Crab bonus. Not to mention lots of people are diggin deep right now just trying to qualify for the Mad Dog gift.

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 09:48 AM

Or, you know, stop asking for things that divert development away from issues/features that are long unresolved.

Once we get CW and some new maps, THEN ask for more avatars to add to your collection. Buy the CBill KC until the next series of rewards comes down.

Jesus people, we have enough content, we need features!

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 10:10 AM

View PostBarantor, on 18 September 2014 - 07:46 AM, said:

My only disappointment is I always bought the 2nd down pack from the top because I don't really like assaults that much, not because I wasn't willing to have bought more had there been something that I wanted. It kinda sucks because at the time I purchased those I could've gotten the highest tiers, I just didn't because assault mechs don't hold much value for me. Kinda the same reason I bought the pheonix upgrade and not the battlemaster, love me some medium and heavies, not so much assaults.

Regular Crab would be more exciting to me, but whatever.

well, then not getting a free assault mech shouldn't be that big a loss for you?

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 10:15 AM

View PostBront, on 18 September 2014 - 07:02 AM, said:

Many, many folks have suggested a clanbuster pack based on the Clanbuster retrofits of the Hussar, Wyvern, Champion, Black Knight and King Crab (1 light, 1 medium, 2 heavies. and 1 assault). Options would be to possibly have a 4 pack with the King Crab as the obvious bonus mech (purchase max Phoenix and Clanbuster, get all 3 variants of the King Crab, max out either, and just get the King Crab special variant). If want do the standard 1 of each weight class, ditch one of the heavies (Champion most likely, most folks seem to want the Black Knight), and include some other mech that's in MWO's version of the clanbuster pack (The Imp maybe?)

Just a thought, that's been passed around for over a year (I saw it in phoenix threads as the likely next pack prior to that release).



My 2 cents...: Release the Clanbuster Pack AFTER CW starts... this way we get the feel of the Clan coming in as the bad boys they were and then the IS responding with Mechs like they did in canon... (more of the feel of an actual response)

Side Note: Don't re-release packs, it takes away the uniqueness of it... Posted Image

Edited by Creovex, 18 September 2014 - 10:20 AM.


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 12:57 PM

View PostRuss Bullock, on 17 September 2014 - 11:45 PM, said:

Very interesting thread.

I see the desire from our IS pilots, but I don't know what the best solution is yet.



@Russ

I see and also recognize the desire but I would caution that I did not enter into a purchase agreement with the playerbase at large but rather directly with PGI and the terms "Limited Time Only" refers to an implied exclusitivity of that purchase and as such was an integral part of my perceived value of the digital content I paid for.

The issue here is I am a tad uncomfortable with the apparent inclination by your statements around seeing what the community wants on the Phoenix pak that somehow gives the appearance of PGI abdicating its responsiblity in enforcing the terms and conditions of the original sale by saying, "Well the community wants this" and therby diluting the original purchasers perceived and real value as it relates the exclusitivity of the mech pak itself as well as passing the onus back to the community for the result. You simply cannot abdicate your responsibility in the enforcement of the original terms by delegating to some poll.

I am however for you offering other alternatives such as another IS mech pak of other chassis. I would even probably buy it myself. Even if it was concept, simply list out the chassis and a rough time frame for delivery and say purchase before X and you qualify for the Mech that has started this fiasco in the first place...even though I am a Clanner I have no issue collecting its what I do.

However if the exclusive nature of the purchase I made in the pre-order changes and even if folks just get the mechs on a re-release then I am not sure I will keep spending. Honestly the one thing you guys have been good at is delivering mechs! Make some more create an IS Reinforcment Pak.

Edited by WM Jeri, 18 September 2014 - 12:59 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 01:02 PM

View Postdario03, on 18 September 2014 - 12:05 AM, said:


You should just make bonus rewards based on money spent. Its already been announced that people that bought Overlord Phoenix will get the KC so maybe leave that as is but also make a second way of getting it that is based purely on money spent. Could even be a lot higher than the cost of the overlord package. That way you are actually rewarding players for amount of money spent and not just when it was spent.

Right now you have it so that a player that bought $80 phoenix and $7 MC gets all 3 bonus reward mechs. But somebody that paid hundreds in MC purchases will only get the Centurion. That doesn't seem right to me, the guy that spent hundreds on MC did support more than the guy that bought Phoenix and a little MC.

I mean yeah these are bonuses and didn't have to be done but if you are going to do "loyalty rewards" then I think you should actually reward based on money spent. And this way you don't have to bother upsetting the players that bought the Phoenix pack and want that exclusivity either.



This is another great alternative, how people choose to spend money in the game is up to them and thier contributions toward supporting this enterprise should be no less valued than those that bought mech paks especially if the sum total of thier spend rivals or equals those that bought paks.

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 01:24 PM

After further consideration I am pulling a 180. I want to be a special snowflake, and have unique items signify my support of MWO through thick and thin. However I can empathize, as a diehard IS patriot, i struggled with the decision to purchase a clan pack, but now I am reaping the benefits of that decision with a new King Crab.

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 01:33 PM

View PostRuss Bullock, on 17 September 2014 - 11:45 PM, said:

Very interesting thread.

I see the desire from our IS pilots, but I don't know what the best solution is yet.


Easy:

1. Hermes
2. Whitworth
3. Re-imagined Marauder
4. Annihilator

I'd pre-order that even though I already qualify for most of the free stuff (and hopefully not regret it come December :D)

You're welcome. :D

#317 Ovion

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 01:46 PM

Need to have an Urbanmech. :)

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 02:01 PM

View PostRuss Bullock, on 17 September 2014 - 11:45 PM, said:

Very interesting thread.

I see the desire from our IS pilots, but I don't know what the best solution is yet.

The best thing is probably to just let it go. I understand why people want a re-release, but your more than likely to get some heavy blowback if you do. Also, throwing together a new hastily constructed IS pack would probably not go over too well either. So just do as Queen Elsa would, and let it go. :P

Edited by Grey Ghost, 18 September 2014 - 02:02 PM.


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 02:35 PM

View Postdario03, on 18 September 2014 - 07:12 AM, said:


So people who bought $100 MC packs around the time of Phoenix didn't buy during major balancing issues? They knew what was going on with pgi internally? The people who bought MC right after founders in 2012 didn't buy with faith that the game would improve? The people who buy hero mechs get to try them before they buy them? People who buy and activate large chunks of premium time get to know that the game won't make big changes that they won't like.
No, that isn't the case. There is not much of a difference. And somebody that spent more money simply spent more money which is more support to pgi.


The people who bought MC around Phoenix were able to use their purchase right then and there. They were still able to just up and leave after their MC purchase after playing with their new shiny if they did not like what was going on. The people who bought the Phoenix pack could have walked away and called the loss of money a learning experience, as they had bought stuff sight unseen and unplayable. Back during the Founders days (hey look at that i got one of those fandangled tags) things were fun, things were progressing so any type of MC purchase at that point was worth it and still you got to see and use your purchase right then and there for instant gratification. Noticing a trend here?

Those that have bought MC are getting a reward `Mech, so I still fail to see just because it is not the `Mech you want why this an issue? There is nothing in the ToS stating that everybody will qualify for every reward ever and that there would even be rewards.

View Postkamiko kross, on 18 September 2014 - 09:17 AM, said:

Your reply sadly confirms my thoughts, especially on the financial aspect of things. You also failed to acknowledge what I said about Is purists wanting a way to get the crab via an Is pack of some kind.
You also failed to comment on my charity based idea, which I did pm Russ about by the way. As for your posts, I actually have read very few of them and probably won't even bother to read any more due to the tone and underlying ugly attitude, especially the "poor me" comment this was especially disgusting and insensitive btw).
Sitting there on a high horse going "lalalala" whilst flicking us the finger is not appropriate behaviour in this case, coming up with a solution-like I tried to do is. "Deal with it" is only appropriate in very few circumstances in life, and this isn't one of them because it can be easily solved, by using compassion for your fellow man.


I did not comment on the Sara's Jenner point mainly because it was released once and a good portion of people bought it (myself included). Personally that one should be for sale all the time the same way they did it last time, have part of the proceeds go to the Canadian Cancer Society, the other reason I did not talk about that portion is for the very fact it is hard for me to do so. If you wish to pull your head out of your arse and PM me to find out why then I will explain other then that i am done talking about it.

Also nice to see you did not read a single word of the post i linked to kamiko kross, you are just putting your fingers in your ears and going la la la la which is exactly what you are accusing me of yet I have read every damn single post in these threads while you have not. Yes I do understand that people have financial responsibilities, guess what? So do the people who have bought the `Mech packs, so you are pissed off you will not get something due to circumstances. I stand by the "poor me" comment and your lack of comprehension of what I am saying is quite dumbfounding. There will always be something out there people are unable to attain, this is unfortunately life.

Now lets move on to the "deal with it is only appropriate in very few circumstances in life" portion. Really? Just really? life is about compromising and being able to pick and choose your path through it. Do I go to the movies and spend 50$ or do I just save that money for a rainy day? Does a person start drinking because of where they are in their life and spiral down or do they figure out why is wrong in their life and strive to change it? (and yes i know about the drinking portion...) So just because I have been able to turn my life around and start to get things sorted out, I sound like the one on the high horse mean while you and the others are going on about "oh what about us IS purists!!" So what about us "Clan purists" who had to suffer through two years of not having Clan `Mechs and having to run Inner Sphere ones? A lot of us have pretty big stables of Inner Sphere Chasis including (H) Hero `Mechs.

The main argument here that I see in all these threads is this:

I am not getting the King Crab because [insert from below] but now that I see there are rewards and the one I want I do not qualify for I want this whole process changed!

- I was unable to purchase one of the higher packages due to financial circumstances (and as I have been saying all along is a valid reason)
- I did not like the game back then
- I had no clue what MW:O was back then
- I am an Inner Sphere purist (and really unless you own the founders `Mechs also and all the Phoenix `Mechs, all the Hero `Mechs, you have no leg to stand on..)

#320 CHH Badkarma

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 02:46 PM

This thread needs to be locked. I am sick of all the people crying. it serves no useful purpose

Edited by CHH Badkarma, 18 September 2014 - 02:48 PM.






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