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[meteorol]

Outstandingly bad post but with this

mongo2006, on 19 September 2014 - 08:13 PM, said:

LOL that's sort of my point, how can a Timber Wolf be OP when a skilled Jenner pilot can eat it for lunch, even if it is a skilled Clan pilot. he gonna shut down after shooting at you two times..

you lost the tiny rest of your credibility that was left after the OP.

If there is one mech in this game that torches light pilots it's the TW. If a light pilots eats a TW for lunch the TW pilot uses a steering wheel. Seriously, the TW murders any light that gets close to him. Now you won't believe me because i have to git gud (i'm using a TW myself btw), so i'll requote something Adiuvo said in another thread. He is undisputedly one of the best light pilots in the game, so you might take his word considering lights for what it's worth.

Adiuvo, on 19 September 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

lol @ clan mechs being slow and unable to deal with lights. Any mech except for a 300 or less rated Atlas or Daishi can keep up with a light. The Timberwolf completely shits on them, a light can't maneuver around it.

Edited by meteorol, 19 September 2014 - 08:59 PM.

[CHH Badkarma]

Pika, on 19 September 2014 - 08:56 PM, said:

Dude, the roleplay is cute and all but it's not conductive to a discussion, is it?

Let me stress this to you: This is a shooter where we pilot giant robots that just so happen to look like ones from a poorly balanced tabletop game from the 80s (That was hard to type!) Those poorly balanced stat pages do not translate into a competitive shooter because if you give one side an advantage, that side will soon find it has no one to shoot at, and suddenly the game stops making money and poof It's gone.

You want 10 vs 12? Not happening, that's basically PGI saying "Yeah they're op, go play Clans, you may as well have better 'Mechs, eh?" You want this game to last? Then your beloved robots that look a little like the ones from an 80s tabletop game are going to have to get changed.

Don't let nostalgia cloud your opinion. This is not an RPG, your advantage should be pure skill and teamwrok, not the better machines you want.

thats pretty much why clan tech should never have been released. At its core it is over the top. This game is not ready for that. there is no mechanic for it. If we could run say, 10 full strength clan mechs against, say, 25 IS mechs, that would be amazing fun. Sadly this game cannot support anything like that. At is core it was and always will be a cash grab, but we are stuck with it.

[mongo2006]

Pika, on 19 September 2014 - 08:37 PM, said:

Is this for real? Are you? Do you really think PGI will allow the Clan 'Mechs to remain top-dogs even if that was because of player skill? No. Of course they won't. WHEN (Not 'IF') they get around to tuning the 'Mecs, probably by buffing the IS rather than nerfing the Clans, I fully expect to see you posting and calling for nerfs to IS 'Mechs. And I shall eagerly await that day.

Dude lets get this straight, THIS IS NOT MECHWARRIOR, this is a commercial enterprise that uses the name Mechwarrior for capital gain. There is no place for lore in this hollow attempt to bait the legions of Mechwarrior fans out of our milk and honey. So all classes should be very close in damage output, so none of them really has an advantage over the other, it's only right. Then and only then will skill be the deciding facting in winning or losing.. that's what we all want right?

NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID


PGI's version is all we have, and I love it, spend money on it, it sucks up my time like the quicker picker upper it is. But what YOU have to understand is it's not, a PGI issue they have tried to balance the mechs the best they could, even to the point of making a few mechs unusable to make you NERF-IT's happy.

The lasers can't take any more heat, the torso's won't stop us from shooting, and after all this you will still complain that the Clan mechs are OP because you will not change your tactics. You will still line up against clan firing lines and we will still melt your faces. Clan mechs are energy dependent, that is our flaw.. if you exploit that knowledge, we lose, and until you do you will lose. But it takes skill to know that.. that's your flaw.. there's some tough love for ya.

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

mongo2006, on 19 September 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

The funny part about your yacking is the fact that I have scores higher than that in my (IS) mechs. My Stalker hit 1800 and my Jager 1600. Cry me a river dude. the fact remains you need to change your tactics, then and ONLY then will you see the clans weakness.. We've been being nerfed for months.. what has changed.. nothing.. try something new.. run up on a Timber Wolf with some ballistics and see what happens.

If you actually read my post I recognize the power of the clan mechs. I also recognize there are some weaker mechs. I own Masakari package and been running especially the Timber Wolf alot. It is the best mech in game at the moment by far - alot of competitive players agree with me. They need further tweaking to not be so dominant. I don't care about your pug matches - they mean nothing. I do care about the balance of coming CW and the balance of player run tournaments. I don't want to see Timmys all over the place because there is no real competition for them.

Of course I don't want to see them over nerfed - Clans should be powerful. But ridiculously overpowered? No way. You should try the group queue and see some skilled units play with clan mechs. Perhaps that would open your eyes a bit.

[Pika]

mongo2006, on 19 September 2014 - 09:02 PM, said:

Dude lets get this straight, THIS IS NOT MECHWARRIOR, this is a commercial enterprise that uses the name Mechwarrior for capital gain. There is no place for lore in this hollow attempt to bait the legions of Mechwarrior fans out of our milk and honey. So all classes should be very close in damage output, so none of them really has an advantage over the other, it's only right. Then and only then will skill be the deciding facting in winning or losing.. that's what we all want right?

NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID


PGI's version is all we have, and I love it, spend money on it, it sucks up my time like the quicker picker upper it is. But what YOU have to understand is it's not, a PGI issue they have tried to balance the mechs the best they could, even to the point of making a few mechs unusable to make you NERF-IT's happy.

The lasers can't take any more heat, the torso's won't stop us from shooting, and after all this you will still complain that the Clan mechs are OP because you will not change your tactics. You will still line up against clan firing lines and we will still melt your faces. Clan mechs are energy dependent, that is our flaw.. if you exploit that knowledge, we lose, and until you do you will lose. But it takes skill to know that.. that's your flaw.. there's some tough love for ya.

Uh huh.
I would perhaps argue that my flaw is giving people like you the benefit of doubt and hoping you might actually make a valid point that will stay away from insults and abuse.
Too much to ask I assume.
Enjoy your Alpha-Mechs. They'll be brought in line very, very soon. I'll be chuckling when they do too. And I'll probably still do it from the cockpit of a Timber Wolf.

Edited by Pika, 19 September 2014 - 09:07 PM.

[mongo2006]

meteorol, on 19 September 2014 - 08:59 PM, said:

Outstandingly bad post but with this you lost the tiny rest of your credibility that was left after the OP. If there is one mech in this game that torches light pilots it's the TW. If a light pilots eats a TW for lunch the TW pilot uses a steering wheel. Seriously, the TW murders any light that gets close to him. Now you won't believe me because i have to git gud (i'm using a TW myself btw), so i'll requote something Adiuvo said in another thread. He is undisputedly one of the best light pilots in the game, so you might take his word considering lights for what it's worth.

My credibility is not a factor here nor an issue. You would like to make this a personal issue but sorry, you know you love me for telling you the truth. Read through the whole post and you won't find one person to say anything about my tactics against clan mech, about the fact that they may need to change one damned thing they do to win. All the NERF IT's want is PGI to hold their hands and nerf the clans.

Edited by mongo2006, 19 September 2014 - 11:07 PM.

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

Vlad Dragu, on 19 September 2014 - 08:37 PM, said:

I've yet to see one DW or TW take out an entire company. Your statement puts the light where it needs to be though......."unorganized pug players".

[Revein]

Is mechs and weapons have been nerfed since closed beta. Then clans get released (OP) as **** and ppl like this guy starting this topic finaly get some kills (mainly using the timby, DW and scarecrow). Even though in clan vs is weekends where clan wins 90% is enough to justify nerfs. Now pgi aims for 12vs12 so ofc some clanmechs need nerfs. If u cannot see this u are blind.... For my part the timberwolf need some big hitbox nerf as well as the other suggestions.

Dont worry good pilots can do good in any mechs, adapt and try to play anything other than TW only.....

[mongo2006]

Pika, on 19 September 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

Uh huh. I would perhaps argue that my flaw is giving people like you the benefit of doubt and hoping you might actually make a valid point that will stay away from insults and abuse. Too much to ask I assume. Enjoy your Alpha-Mechs. They'll be brought in line very, very soon. I'll be chuckling when they do too. And I'll probably still do it from the cockpit of a Timber Wolf.

YOU DON'T WANT THE TRUTH!! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

Dude I'm not here to make you all warm and fuzzy. This post is a drive to get (IS) pilots to use what they momma gave them and use their mechs the way their supposed to be used. I know change is hard but I have faith. Now when clan mechs get to the point that they're useless to even pilot, CW will shut down and I'll be whooping your ass in my Jager.

[Pika]

mongo2006, on 19 September 2014 - 09:12 PM, said:

YOU DON'T WANT THE TRUTH!! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

Dude I'm not here to make you all warm and fuzzy. This post is a drive to get (IS) pilots to use what they momma gave them and use their mechs the way their supposed to be used. I know change is hard but I have faith. Now when clan mechs get to the point that they're useless to even pilot, CW will shut down and I'll be whooping your ass in my Jager.

Shh. You've ran your own thread into the ground. Just let it go. It's over. We've got you figured out.

I know it hurts but no one cares how much damage you did in a Warhawk. Go post your build over on Mechspecs and clog up their forums with your self-congratulatory fap-fest.

[PappySmurf]

I have to agree 100% with the OP on Clan mechs should not be nerfed in any way. And IS mechs hitbox and armor fixed instead.I had this timberwolf pilot ask me the other day (How did you kill me so fast in your Atlas?) I replied its easy if you know whereto shoot and kill the clan mechs they have 2 weakness one is in the back they have worse back armor and hit-boxes than IS and all of them you can kill real easy by shooting right above there noses into there cockpit It is almost a 1 shot kill on timberwolfs.

[CHH Badkarma]

Pika, on 19 September 2014 - 09:16 PM, said:

Shh. You've ran your own thread into the ground. Just let it go. It's over. We've got you figured out.

I know it hurts but no one cares how much damage you did in a Warhawk. Go post your build over on Mechspecs and clog up their forums with your self-congratulatory fap-fest.

The troll has spoken!

sorry, I had to.

spoken with the tack and truthfulness one has come to expect from across the pond. superior reasoning after all.


now, lets continue this great debate that will go round and round in circles and never get anything done. I need more entertainment for the night

Edited by CHH Badkarma, 19 September 2014 - 09:20 PM.

[meteorol]

mongo2006, on 19 September 2014 - 09:12 PM, said:

YOU DON'T WANT THE TRUTH!! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

Dude I'm not here to make you all warm and fuzzy. This post is a drive to get (IS) pilots to use what they momma gave them and use their mechs the way their supposed to be used. I know change is hard but I have faith. Now when clan mechs get to the point that they're useless to even pilot, CW will shut down and I'll be whooping your ass in my Jager.

I get the feeling you are the one who doesn't want so see the truth here. So let me ask you this. Many of the best players this game has to offer have repeatedly stated that some of the clan mechs (TW in in particular) are too strong. How is this an issue of bad IS pilots if even the best clan pilots think some clan mechs are OP?

Seriously, if you are using a TW and don't realize this thing needs some adjustments (i'm using it for the last 400 games, and it does) you are simply in denial.

[Pika]

CHH Badkarma, on 19 September 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

The troll has spoken!

sorry, I had to.

spoken with the tack and truthfulness one has come to expect from across the pond. superior reasoning after all.


now, lets continue this great debate that will go round and round in circles and never get anything done. I need more entertainment for the night

Clearly I am going to take everything you just posted there as a compliment. Because frankly it was.

[Livewyr]

Another one of these?

Just let the ST destruction penalty happen and call it a day. (Likely we will receive some buffs to our weapons again, since the ST destruction is going to be a problem, and we cannot change engines.)

[CHH Badkarma]

Pika, on 19 September 2014 - 09:22 PM, said:

Clearly I am going to take everything you just posted there as a compliment. Because frankly it was.

sarcasm is my second tongue

Damn I wish we could field more mechs. This could be so much more epic. Somehow the smash and grab has gotten old over the past 2 years. Running battles were intel and maneuver warfare is key would have been awesome

Edited by CHH Badkarma, 19 September 2014 - 09:25 PM.

[Livewyr]

CHH Badkarma, on 19 September 2014 - 09:23 PM, said:

sarcasm is my second tongue

You have TWO tongues?!

[CHH Badkarma]

Livewyr, on 19 September 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

You have TWO tongues?!

The women love it

[mongo2006]

Revein, on 19 September 2014 - 09:08 PM, said:

Is mechs and weapons have been nerfed since closed beta. Then clans get released (OP) as **** and ppl like this guy starting this topic finaly get some kills (mainly using the timby, DW and scarecrow). Even though in clan vs is weekends where clan wins 90% is enough to justify nerfs. Now pgi aims for 12vs12 so ofc some clanmechs need nerfs. If u cannot see this u are blind.... For my part the timberwolf need some big hitbox nerf as well as the other suggestions. Dont worry good pilots can do good in any mechs, adapt and try to play anything other than TW only.....

Not sure if i should say thank you or screw you but.. Yeh I have a bit of skill and i know clan mechs well, but I also know (IS) mechs even better, hell I have almost all of them. The Timber Wolf is a mech by it's core design can't be nerfed to the point of equality with any (IS) mech.. you just can't do it. Even if you nerfed it to the point it could only use 4 medium lasers it still has the armor, speed, jumpjets. to keep it on top.

BUT

if a Timber Wolf can only use 4 mediums it would have a heat rating of about 1.7 if we loaded it up with heat sinks and we could fire all day long. It would still rip most heavies apart. What does this mean? there is no end to your NERF IT rant, there is no heavy in the game that can only use 4 medium lasers... Dude get over it, do what I told ya.. never give a Timber Wolf a chance to breath and it will shut down... why is that so hard to understand.

Pika, on 19 September 2014 - 09:16 PM, said:

Shh. You've ran your own thread into the ground. Just let it go. It's over. We've got you figured out. I know it hurts but no one cares how much damage you did in a Warhawk. Go post your build over on Mechspecs and clog up their forums with your self-congratulatory fap-fest.

You are more than welcome to leave... But I would rather you change your tactics and stop whinning.. your choice..

[Pika]

Livewyr, on 19 September 2014 - 09:22 PM, said:

Another one of these?

Just let the ST destruction penalty happen and call it a day. (Likely we will receive some buffs to our weapons again, since the ST destruction is going to be a problem, and we cannot change engines.)

But why should I be patient and wait for changes that I know will fix a lot of problems when I can go on the forums and kick up a stink!? D:

mongo2006, on 19 September 2014 - 09:29 PM, said:

You are more than welcome to leave... But I would rather you change your tactics and stop whinning.. your choice..

Shhh. You're still doing it.