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[Elizander]

Sergeant Random, on 22 September 2014 - 10:39 PM, said:

PGI, hear the newbies out and give mechbays or cockpit items for some of the achievements. Maybe a gauss rifle for their first headshot.

This I agree with. I did expect the Achievement system to give out things like Mech Bays and stuff as samplers. Can still be changed. Maybe the achievement system can give out 2-4 mech bays, first one should be relatively easy to get (maybe once they have 4 mechs it triggers) then the others a bit harder to acquire.

[Mothykins]

Better concept.

Remember the "win a free mech" events? We had two of them.

Do that.

[TB Freelancer]

With some mechs that have one or two lousy variants I just can't be bothered to start grinding them. Those I only play once in a blue moon until I get the 1st win of the day and ignore them for weeks/months at a stretch. Even 2XP didn't get me thinking of them. With those it just feels like punishment to play them.

Then there are the mechs I just don't mind the grind at all because all the variants have something I like to offer.

With so many mechs, you just can't like playing them all.

It is what it is....

Edited by TB Freelancer, 22 September 2014 - 11:25 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

TB Freelancer, on 22 September 2014 - 11:23 PM, said:

With some mechs that have one or two lousy variants I just can't be bothered to start grinding them. Those I only play once in a blue moon until I get the 1st win of the day and ignore them for weeks/months at a stretch. Even 2XP didn't get me thinking of them. With those it just feels like punishment to play them.

Then there are the mechs I just don't mind the grind at all because all the variants have something I like to offer.

With so many mechs, you just can't like playing them all.

It is what it is....

Yeah, the requirement of 3 variants for the mech to even be added to the game was a little bit silly design wise (there was no need for 5 Battle Phallus' aka Stalker).

[Ghogiel]

Grimlox, on 22 September 2014 - 03:01 PM, said:

When there's just a few 2-4 man groups it can be difficult to affect the outcome of the match when there's a 8+ man on the other side.

Scrub talk.

In a 2 man like yesterday

[Shiro Matsumoto]

..only if you see it as a grind. i play a few matches an evening, for amusement and fun.

[MadMaxMKII]

Pjwned, on 22 September 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

Before anybody suggests buying premium time or hero mechs or whatever else then that's not happening because I'm not going to spend money to alleviate a worthless, crappy grindfest; I might possibly spend money on the game for other reasons, but not for that, ever.

you are free to leave I guess. I don't get it. people start playing a f2p game and start complaining about the time they have to invest...

[Ghogiel]

MadMaxMKII, on 22 September 2014 - 11:50 PM, said:

you are free to leave I guess. I don't get it. people start playing a f2p game and start complaining about the time they have to invest...

Pay to skip grind is one of the foundations of the F2P system. That, early access, cosmetics and exclusives are the money makers.

As long as it doesn't cross the P2W line it's fine with me... *cough* TBR

If something took so unbelievibly long to grind and was required to be competitive then it would cross a line for me. But MWO the grind is actually pretty quick. After you have mastered 1 mech you are competitve. At best you need 4 mechs mastered, 1 in each class. So it's quite short to complete MWO in that sense.

Edited by Ghogiel, 22 September 2014 - 11:57 PM.

[Levon K]

Ghogiel, on 22 September 2014 - 11:44 PM, said:

Scrub talk.

In a 2 man like yesterday

You and your buddy brought the new meta-mech of the year. I think the whole point of this thread is grinding weaker crappy mechs that you're not interested in just to level them so you can get back to piloting the 3rd variant that you're actually interested in.

Back on topic: The OP has a good point. He may sound whiny, but he's actually brings a valid point. Whenever I try to get back into this game, it's usually to try out new pre-order mechs. Since there is nothing to this game right now except "Unreal tournament", it just feels like one big grind, since there's actually nothing else to do.

Probably a good idea to just wait for CW and re-start this game as if it were new.

[aniviron]

Elizander, on 22 September 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

Path of Exile has no grind? Are you kidding me? Hunting for maps over and over and doing them over and over and so on and grinding for orbs and hoping to some unknown diety that RNG blesses you with a 6-link? I think your definition of grinding is a bit skewed.

You'll note that I said no grind that can be sped up by paying at a cash shop, or by converting XP or getting boosted XP. Also, I don't think PoE is all that grindy, no. I suppose you could try to turn it into a grind if you wanted, and finding the right links is a touch annoying; but the leveling system is very much the core of what the game is, rather than MWO where it would still be the same mech game without the grind skill tree.

[Ghogiel]

Levon K, on 23 September 2014 - 12:01 AM, said:

You and your buddy brought the new meta-mech of the year. I think the whole point of this thread is grinding weaker crappy mechs that you're not interested in just to level them so you can get back to piloting the 3rd variant that you're actually interested in.

Don't make me post 6 kills games in the group queue with a dragon or kitfox lol.

[Sergeant Random]

Does PGI want the game servers to be populated by a certain percentage of unbasiced and unmastered mechs? But why?

Though admittedly, getting blown up every 5 to 20 minutes can get on one's nerves...

Edited by Sergeant Random, 23 September 2014 - 12:26 AM.

[Xephan]

Uav helps alot with mech xp, besides that slap on a few lrm packs for assists and it all goes pretty quick.
Tho honestly in most cases you can build a nearly identical mech with the varients,

So whats the issue?

[Ghogiel]

Xephan, on 23 September 2014 - 12:25 AM, said:

Uav helps alot with mech xp,

Yeah. If on a grind mission dropping UAVs is smart.

[Sergeant Random]

Lower your expectations when grinding for basics. Equip your LRM/Big Laser/Long-range AC and just poke as many reds as you can. Don't expect to kill stuff. (Teaches you to be sort of careful too).

Of course, the 3-mech skill tree kind of sucks rocks too - but it's there. Maybe at least let Accounting fully depreciate the code asset.

[Nayonac]

I wouldn't call MWO a Grind, go play War Thunder or World of Tanks (still grinding a t10 tank after 3 years). Over the weekend I did all 3 summoner chassis to master and all my war hawks to master as well, starting on my adders next. It sucks that you have to do all 3 but that's just the way they slow down your game play else you wouldn't be spending cbils and would have a stack of them. Everyone would be really bored if you could unlock everything in a week.

[KHETTI]

I used to play this Russian FPS MMO, talk about grind, 6 months of repeating quests over and over to unlock just one skill on a skill tree with multiple character disciplines, each discipline with multiple skills, with multiple skill levels.
And each skill level had progressively longer grinds, MWO has virtually no grind at all to it, the hardest part at first is finding your weight class, once you do, stick to it until you have unlocked that weight class, then move on from there.

[Sprouticus]

Pjwned, on 22 September 2014 - 08:34 PM, said:

Free players in a F2P game are customers as long as they have the potential to pay, and even that isn't a good definition either.
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Your options aren't mutually exclusive with me expressing my dissatisfaction with the system, so that's what I chose to do here. Even if I did grudgingly accept it or just stop playing that doesn't mean I still don't want to see it changed.

No, free players are POTENTIAL customers. It is PGI's goal to turn them into customers by giving them things they want. Different players want different things.

But until they spend actual money, they are part of the scenery. PGI is converting your time into $$ by selling it to paying customers.

We could argue about when someone becomes a customer, but that was really not my point. My point is that you are not the audience PGI is focused on, and at some level you are not part of their plans. If you fall inside the curve of people who will suffer the grind and still keep playing, then you are useful to them. If you won't, you are not. That is not them being cruel or ignoring you, that is the result of you being a resource for converting time->$$.


As for you expressing you dissatisfaction, you are of course correct. But just because you are able to do something does not mean that it is a wise thing to do. PGI has shown ZERO inclination to change the grind level. Do you think you are the first person to express such things? Or even the 100th? Maybe even the 1000th...

All you are doing with this thread is coming across as an entitled whiner. You can deny that, but as neutral 3rd party, I can say with some confidence that it is how you are being perceived. Even if you had worded your concerns in a more neutral tone they would have fallen on deaf ears. But by using the tone of a petulant child, you bring out others who are less understanding than me to argue with you are 'put you in your place'. A lot of people don't suffer fools lightly. I am a little less knee jerk, which is why I am trying to point this stuff out to you politely.

The short version:

Give it up. You are not going to change anyone's mind. If I thought this rant of yours was making you feel better I would be understanding. We all need to vent sometimes. But all this appears to be doing is reinforcing your feelings of resentment. And really what is the point of that?

[Pjwned]

Sprouticus, on 23 September 2014 - 04:33 AM, said:

No, free players are POTENTIAL customers. It is PGI's goal to turn them into customers by giving them things they want. Different players want different things.

But until they spend actual money, they are part of the scenery. PGI is converting your time into $$ by selling it to paying customers.

We could argue about when someone becomes a customer, but that was really not my point. My point is that you are not the audience PGI is focused on, and at some level you are not part of their plans. If you fall inside the curve of people who will suffer the grind and still keep playing, then you are useful to them. If you won't, you are not. That is not them being cruel or ignoring you, that is the result of you being a resource for converting time->$$.


As for you expressing you dissatisfaction, you are of course correct. But just because you are able to do something does not mean that it is a wise thing to do. PGI has shown ZERO inclination to change the grind level. Do you think you are the first person to express such things? Or even the 100th? Maybe even the 1000th...

All you are doing with this thread is coming across as an entitled whiner. You can deny that, but as neutral 3rd party, I can say with some confidence that it is how you are being perceived. Even if you had worded your concerns in a more neutral tone they would have fallen on deaf ears. But by using the tone of a petulant child, you bring out others who are less understanding than me to argue with you are 'put you in your place'. A lot of people don't suffer fools lightly. I am a little less knee jerk, which is why I am trying to point this stuff out to you politely.

The short version:

Give it up. You are not going to change anyone's mind. If I thought this rant of yours was making you feel better I would be understanding. We all need to vent sometimes. But all this appears to be doing is reinforcing your feelings of resentment. And really what is the point of that?

There are other reasons to drop money on the game besides alleviating a worthless grind, but if that discourages me from playing then I'm sure as hell not spending more money. I can also imagine that PGI isn't really motivated to change anything if they see people with $200 badges defending it and calling people that don't like it entitled whiners.

For the record I have grudgingly bought 2 packages of 1250 MC, 1 package to buy some mech bays so that my mech storage wasn't completely crippled and then another package to buy some colors that I later realized were a ripoff. Am I going to spend more money with the way things are with this grinding nonsense? No, I already regret spending as much as I did, not because of the amount of money, but because I realize this game isn't worth supporting.

[Sprouticus]

Pjwned, on 23 September 2014 - 07:38 AM, said:

There are other reasons to drop money on the game besides alleviating a worthless grind, but if that discourages me from playing then I'm sure as hell not spending more money. I can also imagine that PGI isn't really motivated to change anything if they see people with $200 badges defending it and calling people that don't like it entitled whiners.

For the record I have grudgingly bought 2 packages of 1250 MC, 1 package to buy some mech bays so that my mech storage wasn't completely crippled and then another package to buy some colors that I later realized were a ripoff. Am I going to spend more money with the way things are with this grinding nonsense? No, I already regret spending as much as I did, not because of the amount of money, but because I realize this game isn't worth supporting.

Totally agree with you on the colors. I bought 3 or 4 way back, and then re-bought them when the color setup was changed and we were refunded the money. PGI would be smart to lower those.

and frankly I agree that the grind, especially the CB rewards (more than the XP grind) are bad IMO. You should earn about 75% of the CB required to buy the next mech when leveling a mech IMO. At this point, it is far less.

But it isn't going to change. If I am not going to change their mind as a paying customer, the odds of you doing it are less than zero.

Also, I didnt say you were an entitle whiner. Honestly you have some very valid points. I said the tone of your thread made you come across as an entitled whiner. And that tone ruined any impact your post could have had.


On a side note, enjoy your free Cent-AH later today. And my guess is you will get the 2 millioon CB and mechbay too!