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#161 Valore

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 08:40 AM

View PostVixNix, on 24 September 2014 - 08:36 AM, said:


100 times this...

and when you try to contribute, your words get twisted around...


Because your words are basically made up nonsense.

You claim that you keep matching up vs big groups.

We ask where's the proof.

You claim one or two random screenshots prove your point. Well I just gave you a crapload of screenshots.

View PostValore, on 24 September 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:




Your turn to put up or shut up tbh.

You can claim we're bullying you guys all you want, it doesn't make it true. We're just calling BS on some of the ludicrous claims you've made.

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 08:46 AM

View PostSqually160, on 24 September 2014 - 08:34 AM, said:


Hey, you want to come in here and remove the ability for groups of all sizes to play, then I am goign to do my best to remove your ability to have fun.

...stuff...

EvE Devs said it best:
HTFU.


I don't want to take anything from you.

I want my friends to come and play MWO, why do you want to take that from me?

you want people in the queue for you to be able to play your style, that's fine, would you rather have people there that want to be there or people that don't?

I DON"T care about winning or loosing so much as I care about having fun.

I have a positive k/d ratio, with a negative w/l ratio...

p.s. I don't play EvE, no fun there either.

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 08:50 AM

I've seen a lot of people talking about 'loosing' recently on this forum...

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 08:51 AM

View PostValore, on 24 September 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:


Because your words are basically made up nonsense.

You claim that you keep matching up vs big groups.

We ask where's the proof.

You claim one or two random screenshots prove your point. Well I just gave you a crapload of screenshots.

Your turn to put up or shut up tbh.

You can claim we're bullying you guys all you want, it doesn't make it true. We're just calling BS on some of the ludicrous claims you've made.


No, it's because you have your mind made up.

I didn't put up any random screen shots...
you want them all you have to do is look at the threads with the content, have fun it will take you a while to gather them all up.

whatever Valore, just whatever

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 08:58 AM

If I try to imagine that the QQ in this thread is real and coming from a real place I can only come up with:

Group queue is not handling very low elo groups well and if we looked at their winrate we'd see it well below 50%.
or
Group queue is somehow not lowering elo for losses correctly which means once a person gets too far above their elo in group queue somehow they start losing often and the elo does not adjust down (fast enough? at all?).

Without the data, who knows? But those are real things that could maybe be fixed. But instead of worrying about them its all a sideshow about splitting the queue into a third magical fairytale land where casuals will play nothing but even matches against other casuals somehow.

Edited by Hoax415, 24 September 2014 - 09:00 AM.


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Posted 24 September 2014 - 09:01 AM

View PostVixNix, on 24 September 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:


I don't want to take anything from you.

I want my friends to come and play MWO, why do you want to take that from me?

you want people in the queue for you to be able to play your style, that's fine, would you rather have people there that want to be there or people that don't?

I DON"T care about winning or loosing so much as I care about having fun.

I have a positive k/d ratio, with a negative w/l ratio...

p.s. I don't play EvE, no fun there either.


Thanks for removing the part of my post where i discuss exactly what youre taking away from us. Way to go. This reminds me of the post earlier complaining about people twisting words. Im proud to see you are above that by instead completely ignoring them.

But dont worry, its all good. Ive already stated my intentions if you get a casual q.

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 09:05 AM

View PostSqually160, on 24 September 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

Thanks for removing the part of my post where i discuss exactly what youre taking away from us. Way to go. This reminds me of the post earlier complaining about people twisting words. Im proud to see you are above that by instead completely ignoring them.

But dont worry, its all good. Ive already stated my intentions if you get a casual q.


I apologize, it wasn't the part of your post I was responding to so i took it out.

Sorry.

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 09:25 AM

View PostValore, on 24 September 2014 - 08:34 AM, said:


I'm pretty sure that's inaccurate. Why would the MM do something like hide big groups from each other? Furthermore, I'm pretty sure Elo doesn't really play a big part in group MM.

Bottom line is most of us don't care who we face, we just want the queue to be quick. That's about it.

It was just a thought, I'm not sure why your experience is so different from others either lol.
I do care who I face though! I want to face someone who is roughly at about my level. getting fed to a 12 man HoL team isn't at my level. Then having to endure all the glib trash talk is quite a galling experience to be honest:(
I'd rather wait a couple of mins for it to be a bit better balanced-so I could get better quality games.
But as I said, I'll try to take some SS of the larger groups if I group drop this week.

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 09:46 AM

View PostVixNix, on 24 September 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:


I apologize, it wasn't the part of your post I was responding to so i took it out.

Sorry.


I understand how you feel that way, but it does directly impact our ques.

Yes, I wo7ld prefer to only play with others of my mindset. Problem is there is not a big playerbase.
What you propose would split it further.
Large group q with massive waittimes? Nah lets split up into 3x4 and drop into the casual/small q instead.

So you still face us, just in a format that really really makes it much easier for an organized lance to clean shop.

It sucks, but our current q is the best compromise imho. Sometimes we get stomp games vs a 6x2 team. But that is much rarer than anyone admits.

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 09:50 AM

View PostAlwrath, on 23 September 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:


[Large, angry Text]



Hey OP,
When you drop with your casual friends in the Group-Q, do you guys use Teamspeak?

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 10:41 AM

View PostSqually160, on 24 September 2014 - 09:46 AM, said:

I understand how you feel that way, but it does directly impact our ques.

Yes, I wo7ld prefer to only play with others of my mindset. Problem is there is not a big playerbase.
What you propose would split it further.
Large group q with massive waittimes? Nah lets split up into 3x4 and drop into the casual/small q instead.

So you still face us, just in a format that really really makes it much easier for an organized lance to clean shop.

It sucks, but our current q is the best compromise imho. Sometimes we get stomp games vs a 6x2 team. But that is much rarer than anyone admits.


I hear you, but it doesn't work for everyone, make sense?

My friends have stopped playing, I suggest it and they vote it down...

Once in a while I get one to play, and then we are in "your" queue, and plan or not, following the rest or not win or not MOST of the time it just isn't fun.

I drop solo a lot now, and win or lose I have fun MOST of the time.

There are to many people that are no longer playing due to this, and how many players start up and then stop playing due to it?

you said it yourself "Problem is there is not a big playerbase" so what chase others away?

how does this fix it?

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 10:48 AM

View PostVixNix, on 24 September 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:


I hear you, but it doesn't work for everyone, make sense?

My friends have stopped playing, I suggest it and they vote it down...

Once in a while I get one to play, and then we are in "your" queue, and plan or not, following the rest or not win or not MOST of the time it just isn't fun.

I drop solo a lot now, and win or lose I have fun MOST of the time.

There are to many people that are no longer playing due to this, and how many players start up and then stop playing due to it?

you said it yourself "Problem is there is not a big playerbase" so what chase others away?

how does this fix it?


I dont want to chase more away any mroe than you do.
I get it, you dont have fun, and I dont have fun.
It sucks, we are a VERY small community.
I just dont feel the solution is breaking up this small community even more.

We do need a better solution. But, splitting it up into a big q, and a small q wont work. What will happen? People will form teams to fit whatever q gets games faster. I dont want to wait 10+ minutes for a 15 minute tops match.

My assumption? Small group q will be fast drops, and it will be full of comp lances because it drops faster.
It will put you right back where you are, but instead of a 12 man, it will be 1 or 2 very organized lances.

Do those loses feel better all of a sudden? I doubt it.

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 10:49 AM

View PostSqually160, on 24 September 2014 - 06:05 AM, said:

We fought for a usable group q and now you "casuals" (read: lazy players) dont want to have to fight to win. Sorry. But if we go up against you we arent goin to hold back because you feel entitled to play against people only of your mindset.

If that was the case, us "big bad groups" should feel bad too because we keep being forced to either play against you or even have you on our team. You are a waste of our time. Your mindset is a waste of our time. Im sorry you somehow feel that your playstyle is the best, but it isnt.



You sir, have just made one of the most entitled, embarrassing posts on the behalf of organized teams that I have ever read.
Organized, competitive players that read this must be embarrassed reading this.

No one is saying that large groups are inherently "bad". What is being said is that exposing new, inexperienced players to that level of competition is not good for the GAME.

It;'s not good for the organized groups because you aren't getting the level of competition you want to make the game challenging and "fun".
(However, i assume from your attitude you just revel is lording you "skill" in a video game over those not as talented while you rack up easy kills to feed your KDR and seriously fragile ego).

It's no good for new players and small casual groups because they get rolled over by douche-weasels like yourself that think;

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"we should feel bad too because we keep being forced to either play against you or even have you on our team. You are a waste of our time. Your mindset is a waste of our time. Im sorry you somehow feel that your playstyle is the best, but it isnt"


The above is s direct quote of your post that could be easily turned on it's head and directed at you and your dumbarse attitude.

It's no good FOR ANYONE because it hurts the progress of the game and it's ability to thrive long-term. Without Player retention this game will slip away long before its time, and that is a fact that doesn't discriminate between skill levels.

The competitive scene is just fine, nothing wrong with it, except for the douche-weasel minority such as yourself that is included within it, that gets its kicks out of garnering easy wins and feeling good about it.

Your own post amply explains the level of entitlement you feel, regardless of anyone else. I sincerely hop[e you aren't that big a **** in real life.

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 10:52 AM

View PostTLBFestus, on 24 September 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:



You sir, have just made one of the most entitled, embarrassing posts on the behalf of organized teams that I have ever read.
Organized, competitive players that read this must be embarrassed reading this.

No one is saying that large groups are inherently "bad". What is being said is that exposing new, inexperienced players to that level of competition is not good for the GAME.

It;'s not good for the organized groups because you aren't getting the level of competition you want to make the game challenging and "fun".
(However, i assume from your attitude you just revel is lording you "skill" in a video game over those not as talented while you rack up easy kills to feed your KDR and seriously fragile ego).

It's no good for new players and small casual groups because they get rolled over by douche-weasels like yourself that think;



The above is s direct quote of your post that could be easily turned on it's head and directed at you and your dumbarse attitude.

It's no good FOR ANYONE because it hurts the progress of the game and it's ability to thrive long-term. Without Player retention this game will slip away long before its time, and that is a fact that doesn't discriminate between skill levels.

The competitive scene is just fine, nothing wrong with it, except for the douche-weasel minority such as yourself that is included within it, that gets its kicks out of garnering easy wins and feeling good about it.

Your own post amply explains the level of entitlement you feel, regardless of anyone else. I sincerely hop[e you aren't that big a **** in real life.

True this...^^

Regards

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 11:12 AM

View PostTLBFestus, on 24 September 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:



You sir, have just made one of the most entitled, embarrassing posts on the behalf of organized teams that I have ever read.
Organized, competitive players that read this must be embarrassed reading this.

No one is saying that large groups are inherently "bad". What is being said is that exposing new, inexperienced players to that level of competition is not good for the GAME.

It;'s not good for the organized groups because you aren't getting the level of competition you want to make the game challenging and "fun".
(However, i assume from your attitude you just revel is lording you "skill" in a video game over those not as talented while you rack up easy kills to feed your KDR and seriously fragile ego).

It's no good for new players and small casual groups because they get rolled over by douche-weasels like yourself that think;



The above is s direct quote of your post that could be easily turned on it's head and directed at you and your dumbarse attitude.

It's no good FOR ANYONE because it hurts the progress of the game and it's ability to thrive long-term. Without Player retention this game will slip away long before its time, and that is a fact that doesn't discriminate between skill levels.

The competitive scene is just fine, nothing wrong with it, except for the douche-weasel minority such as yourself that is included within it, that gets its kicks out of garnering easy wins and feeling good about it.

Your own post amply explains the level of entitlement you feel, regardless of anyone else. I sincerely hop[e you aren't that big a **** in real life.



And, here we go again...

I have NO desire to trolololol easy wins. You come here and think
"Oh man, this guy wants to constantly crush scrubs all day long, hes EVIL"
No, I do not. I dont think they should be in the Q with us honestly, and I have stated that multiple times in this thread.

Playerbase is a PROBLEM. New players DO NOT need to be in Q with me (unless they want to, then they are welcome to join comms with me, im OK with that ad have invited other posters already to come drop with me).

My biggest isue is people coming here and MOANING about us big groups (or comp teams in general) when they want to casually play and not get teamed up againt us. It isnt our fault, we didnt ask to be matched up against you either.

A 12-0 stomp is a waste of BOTH teams time. it really sucks for the 0 side as well.


But, somehow that is our fault? we shouldnt be allowed to play how we want to but you should? THAT is what it boils down to.
You all come here attacking US because you dont want to play against us. You want US to go do something else and have "your" q back.

I am sorry, its the entitled logic of the outcries against big groups that annoys me.

We have a SMALL COMMUNITY it sucks, it really does. This problem wouldnt exist with a larger playerbase. But we have what we have. We all want to play one way, but I dotn start threads asking all of the small groups to be banished from the group q, but the small groups start up threads telling us to GTFO.


As for new players:
I do honestly feel bad for them. I was new once, it was not fun. But I love this IP and worked to better myself. But thats just me, I know not everyone wants to, some jsut want to stompy robot smash. And thats fine.
All I ask is stop trying to make your way to play the only way anyone can play.

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 11:20 AM

View PostGhogiel, on 24 September 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

I've seen a lot of people talking about 'loosing' recently on this forum...



lol. Is this your family?

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 11:27 AM

The solution is not to eliminate solo queue, not to allow small groups of 2 or 3 into the solo queue, and not to break up large groups (of 6 to 10). The solution is simple: introduce brackets.

Everyone starts the game in the lowest elo bracket (the 'noob' bracket). As your elo grows, you go into the next bracket and the next and the next. Your elo will settle you into a bracket that is your skill.

How does the MM brackets work? Easy. They work exactly the same as they do now with one minor exception - brackets do NOT pull from other brackets. A veteran bracket group in need of 2 players will not grab those players from a noob bracket and vice versa.

What about grouped players that are in different elo brackets? Stick them into a bracket that is an average of their elo.

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 01:02 PM

View PostTLBFestus, on 24 September 2014 - 07:17 AM, said:

I'm not sure it can be done, but perhaps if they allowed 1-4 mans in the solo queue (1-3?), but only allowed 1 group per match, it might help. Yes, it might take longer to find a match, but I'm willing to bet many of the small groups would be willing to wait.

That's exactly the way it was a few months ago and it was terrible, which is why we have a solo-only queue now. The solo queue is doing very well now, but the group-only queue has problems, as Russ Bullock said.

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 01:13 PM

View PostUnsafePilot, on 24 September 2014 - 07:57 AM, said:

I still think the simplest solution is to allow pairs to drop in the PUG queue. I just can't imagine that two people coordinating would ruin pug play that much.

Maybe limit it to one pair per team so it keeps it's mostly coordination free play style.

Russ Bullock said: "any groups in the solo queue really screws it up."

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 01:56 PM

View PostTastian, on 24 September 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

The solution is not to eliminate solo queue, not to allow small groups of 2 or 3 into the solo queue, and not to break up large groups (of 6 to 10). The solution is simple: introduce brackets.

Everyone starts the game in the lowest elo bracket (the 'noob' bracket). As your elo grows, you go into the next bracket and the next and the next. Your elo will settle you into a bracket that is your skill.

How does the MM brackets work? Easy. They work exactly the same as they do now with one minor exception - brackets do NOT pull from other brackets. A veteran bracket group in need of 2 players will not grab those players from a noob bracket and vice versa.

What about grouped players that are in different elo brackets? Stick them into a bracket that is an average of their elo.


So we are back to I can't drop with my friends?





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