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[Russ Bullock]

TexAss, on 26 September 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

Thanks, but if I would be a faction player, say steiner, would I be able as a solo player to start an attack and let only other solo players join and fight a solo-only enemy team? You know, with those 85% it wouldnt be a bad idea.

Very likely no.

Would be ideal to be sure but we really need to see exactly how many players come in and play CW - out the gate it will definitely favor organized units and factions - which is really what it is supposed to be.

However don't dismay to much - imagine there is a very organized 10 man from some unit - you and another solo guy might join their queue to defend against a couple groups of 6 on the other side. These matches should go well and Yes we will continue to try and get VOIP in the game.

[Joseph Mallan]

Zeece, on 26 September 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

All I've seen in the Updates is Group Group Group and 12man.... where is the info on how the Solo players work into the equation?

Group A=10(Lawmen)+2(PUGs)
Group B=4(Mercs)+3(Loyalist)+5(PUGs)

There's your equation. Any questions?

[Russ Bullock]

TexAss, on 26 September 2014 - 08:44 AM, said:

Thats a nice wish to come true from a game designer view, but trust me, there are many many players who like to stay solo and wont understand why they cant just open up a queue on their own and let other solo players team up with them and fight other solo-only teams. Nothing different than counterstrike back in the v1 days. Dont be fooled by solo-players being weak or get crushed, there are some really strong ones and ELO should be there to sort this out.

Again in the initial season we will just need to see exactly who all shows up to player CW - it is also possible that the vast majority of those solo players just hang out in the public solo queue.

We will see and of course we can make adjustments based on participation in the feature.

[Joseph Mallan]

Russ Bullock, on 26 September 2014 - 08:44 AM, said:

Very likely no.

Would be ideal to be sure but we really need to see exactly how many players come in and play CW - out the gate it will definitely favor organized units and factions - which is really what it is supposed to be.

However don't dismay to much - imagine there is a very organized 10 man from some unit - you and another solo guy might join their queue to defend against a couple groups of 6 on the other side. These matches should go well and Yes we will continue to try and get VOIP in the game.

I think it would Help CW if you started seeding Canon Units so a Faction actually has something beside a flag in their cockpits. Don't you?

[Russ Bullock]

Original post subject?

Can solo players play - YES

[TexAce]

Russ Bullock, on 26 September 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

Again in the initial season we will just need to see exactly who all shows up to player CW - it is also possible that the vast majority of those solo players just hang out in the public solo queue.

We will see and of course we can make adjustments based on participation in the feature.

Thanks for responding, I certainly get that. I dont expect it to be there from start, just dont abandon the idea.

[Triordinant]

Russ Bullock, on 26 September 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

Again in the initial season we will just need to see exactly who all shows up to player CW - it is also possible that the vast majority of those solo players just hang out in the public solo queue.

We will see and of course we can make adjustments based on participation in the feature.

If a lot of solo players actually play in CW, maybe they could fight the Border Conflicts and groups can fight the Invasion Conflicts (as defined in Paul Inouye's update).

[1453 R]

This is a really easy question to answer.

Solo players have no place in Commodity Warfare, and neither Commodity Warfare players nor Piranha have any desire to give them one. Join a group and be a good little soldier for Internet Napoleon #47865, or GTFO.

And people wonder why I have no interest in this particular "feature".

[KingCobra]

Russ bollock said (However don't dismay to much - imagine there is a very organized 10 man from some unit - you and another solo guy might join their queue to defend against a couple groups of 6 on the other side. These matches should go well and Yes we will continue to try and get VOIP in the game. )

Im glad your placing VOIP as a option so players can be more involved on comms without having to download TS3 just being able to join a channel you are dropping into a battle with other solo players would be great as a option on the loading screen but then again it would take alot of server time and space to run so many VOIP servers.

Russ another thing I might mention for CW is a live chat lobby for all players and groups to be online in a live chat system was instrumental in the growth of the community's for MechWarrior and was the principal tool in team recruitment. Its never to late to add one into the UI for just general community interactions but CW as well.

P.S sorry I cannot use the quote function on the forums due to lack of win8.1 and IE11 support.

Edited by KingCobra, 26 September 2014 - 09:03 AM.

[KingCobra]

1453R said (Solo players have no place in Commodity Warfare, and neither Commodity Warfare players nor Piranha have any desire to give them one. Join a group and be a good little soldier for Internet Napoleon #47865, or GTFO.

And people wonder why I have no interest in this particular "feature". )
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And you wonder why solo-casual players don't want to join groups? 1453R is a perfect example of why for 3 years on my groups comms I have tried to get rid of them the players that just down solo-casual players for there type of game play desires and the reason I quit playing my group account. Putting down others because they don't want to hear how you just rolled and farmed12 solo or new players gets old.

On the group ts3 channels there are about 20% that are real nice people and do not demean solo-casual players then there are the 80% of the group premade players that think there way above the normal player in MWO and have to be rude and make comments which do not promote community growth or group play.

When you have seen it from both sides solo-casual-pug Vs premade groups it is not a wonderful harmonious thing.

[Bigbacon]

1453 R, on 26 September 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

This is a really easy question to answer.

Solo players have no place in Commodity Warfare, and neither Commodity Warfare players nor Piranha have any desire to give them one. Join a group and be a good little soldier for Internet Napoleon #47865, or GTFO.

And people wonder why I have no interest in this particular "feature".

and this is one of the main reasons the community of the game is terrible, this mentality.

[LauLiao]

1453 R, on 26 September 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

This is a really easy question to answer.

Solo players have no place in Commodity Warfare, and neither Commodity Warfare players nor Piranha have any desire to give them one. Join a group and be a good little soldier for Internet Napoleon #47865, or GTFO.

And people wonder why I have no interest in this particular "feature".

I myself just joined a group of people who are of a like mind in not really caring for organized groups. We drop together and basically really just PUG on TS, have fun, and drink... a lot. Not every group HAS to be some pseudo-military cadre.

[LauLiao]

KingCobra, on 26 September 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

1453R said (Solo players have no place in Commodity Warfare, and neither Commodity Warfare players nor Piranha have any desire to give them one. Join a group and be a good little soldier for Internet Napoleon #47865, or GTFO.

And people wonder why I have no interest in this particular "feature". )
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And you wonder why solo-casual players don't want to join groups? 1453R is a perfect example of why for 3 years on my groups comms I have tried to get rid of them the players that just down solo-casual players for there type of game play desires and the reason I quit playing my group account. Putting down others because they don't want to hear how you just rolled and farmed12 solo or new players gets old.

On the group ts3 channels there are about 20% that are real nice people and do not demean solo-casual players then there are the 80% of the group premade players that think there way above the normal player in MWO and have to be rude and make comments which do not promote community growth or group play.

When you have seen it from both sides solo-casual-pug Vs premade groups it is not a wonderful harmonious thing.

This is unfortunately true. There are a lot of groups that are not "casual" friendly, and there's a lot of people who play this game and take it WAY too seriously. However, there's no reason all the casual players can't get together and form groups that are dedicated to NOT being D-bags.

[Bigbacon]

LauLiao, on 26 September 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

This is unfortunately true. There are a lot of groups that are not "casual" friendly, and there's a lot of people who play this game and take it WAY too seriously. However, there's no reason all the casual players can't get together and form groups that are dedicated to NOT being D-bags.

they are probably the minority of the player base anyway.

[Zeece]

Thanks for chiming in Russ. I know the Rangers have alot of Solo players and I wanted to make sure they could play CW and there would be meaningful participation.

Just so I can get it right in my head.

So if there is a 4man and 6man group and no 2 mans it will plug in 2 solo players ?

And that 12 man will fight against what the MM forms on the other side which could be a similiar group or a full 12man or a very probably very unlikely 12 Solo player team?

[Davegt27]

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Original post subject?

Can solo players play - YES

cool I am an Army of 1

[1453 R]

KingCobra, on 26 September 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

1453R said (Solo players have no place in Commodity Warfare, and neither Commodity Warfare players nor Piranha have any desire to give them one. Join a group and be a good little soldier for Internet Napoleon #47865, or GTFO.

And people wonder why I have no interest in this particular "feature". )
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And you wonder why solo-casual players don't want to join groups? 1453R is a perfect example of why for 3 years on my groups comms I have tried to get rid of them the players that just down solo-casual players for there type of game play desires and the reason I quit playing my group account. Putting down others because they don't want to hear how you just rolled and farmed12 solo or new players gets old.

On the group ts3 channels there are about 20% that are real nice people and do not demean solo-casual players then there are the 80% of the group premade players that think there way above the normal player in MWO and have to be rude and make comments which do not promote community growth or group play.

When you have seen it from both sides solo-casual-pug Vs premade groups it is not a wonderful harmonious thing.

Heh, I think you misunderstand, Cobra. That up there was sarcasm, which is admittedly difficult to detect on the Internet sometimes. I am a solo player. There isn't a group on the forums that would take me even if I wanted to go and do nothing but follow some jumped-up armchair general's orders day-in-day-out. I have never really been interested in CW because the people who are interested in CW, and the people who're making CW, have no interest in turn in making room for people who aren't part of 100+-man, rigidly organized large-scale units.

it's total crap, but it also is what it is. CW is driven almost entirely by the large, heavily organized units composed in goodly part of original Founders who bought into the game specifically and solely for CW. Nobody really cares what filthy solo-casuals think.

Lau, Bacon: Give me all the guff you want. I'm neither a compaholic nor an alcoholic, and as such there's no room in MWO for me or mine. Contrary to popular opinion, no there is not "A Group For Everyone!™" in MechWarrior Online.

[KuroNyra]

I am a Clan Wolf Member, yet I don't have the time to pass throught the trials of the Galaxy I would like to join. (Cyclo, if you can see me. )

Yet, I don't want to be left behind and not being able to fight for my clan.
I have the right to fight for my clan, and defend the planets under the Clan Wolf authority.

The same can be said for the freeborn of the Inner Sphere.

Merc, and Lone Wolf, and People with a faction with NO unit should be able to be part of the CW.

Don't forget Elitist that play only on drop. That the game exist because of the Solo Players, and they should be considered.


Rant all you want, but if you left behind the major part of a population, you won't help that game.
Contrary to some other F2P featuring tanks.
MWO cannot really say "bah it's ok. With have plenty more Solo guy in our game."


And has you can see. I AM a Founder like some people here.
I may have not been part of a unit, I'd like too. But I can't. Should I be "Banished" from the CW because of that?


To those who say yes.
I say: Get crushed by a Surat.

Edited by KuroNyra, 26 September 2014 - 10:36 AM.

[LauLiao]

1453 R, on 26 September 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

Lau, Bacon: Give me all the guff you want. I'm neither a compaholic nor an alcoholic, and as such there's no room in MWO for me or mine. Contrary to popular opinion, no there is not "A Group For Everyone!™" in MechWarrior Online.

Alright, if you insist. Like I said, I felt similarly to you, but after a minimal amount of effort, I found a primarily casual oriented group who exhibit none of the behaviors that turn you off of grouping. Are we going to be the top group in CW? No. Are we going to win a lot? Probably not. Will we ever inspire reverece and awe in the community? Heck no. Are we going to have a good time? Definitely yes!

[Hoax415]

TexAss, on 26 September 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

Thanks, but if I would be a faction player, say steiner, would I be able as a solo player to start an attack and let only other solo players join and fight a solo-only enemy team?

You know, with those 85% it wouldnt be a bad idea.

This runs contrary to the entire purpose of CW. And therefore unsurprisingly there is no plan to have CW solo queue. If you want to play solo queue normal solo queue will still run 24/7 and will probably still be the largest queue of the three (solo, group, CW).

1453 R, on 26 September 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

Solo players have no place in Commodity Warfare, and neither Commodity Warfare players nor Piranha have any desire to give them one. Join a group and be a good little soldier for Internet Napoleon #47865, or GTFO.

And people wonder why I have no interest in this particular "feature".

If you have some good suggestion I'm sure everyone would be interested in hearing it. Adding a CW solo queue is not a good solution. Its easily exploited and it runs counter to the entire purpose of CW. But if there is some effective way to integrate solo pilots into drops so they are more useful and feel more included... I'm intrigued what it is.

LauLiao, on 26 September 2014 - 10:31 AM, said:

Alright, if you insist. Like I said, I felt similarly to you, but after a minimal amount of effort, I found a primarily casual oriented group who exhibit none of the behaviors that turn you off of grouping. Are we going to be the top group in CW? No. Are we going to win a lot? Probably not. Will we ever inspire reverece and awe in the community? Heck no. Are we going to have a good time? Definitely yes!

Shhhhhh no no. Even though the MWO competative scene is a fraction of a fraction. Even though in group queue you see lots of groups running sub optimal mechs/builds, or not using much coordination beyond deathball, or using consumables.

Even though there is zero evidence at all backing the claim you will still find many of the vocal anti-group people on this board refusing to believe in any kind of group other than: mandatory practice times, faux military ranks, some kind of hierarchy that orders people around, only meta-mechs and so on.

In fact everyone who tries harder than Mr. solo-only is trying "too hard" hadn't you heard? /s

Its a complete waste of time to talk to these guys. Let them believe what they want. If they want to cut off their nose to spite their face you can't stop them. Its not hard at all to disprove all of these stupid myths about what playing in a pickup group entails in terms of time commitment and putting up with "12 year olds yelling at me" or whatever bullshit they are making up today. But they would rather write up whines on the forums than just go look for themselves.

Edited by Hoax415, 26 September 2014 - 11:04 AM.