1430 replies to this topic

[ManDaisy]

I sure as hell dont want another sit in the back and try and snipe mech (Blackknight). It doesn't have the armor to brawl, nor the mobility, nor the right kinda weapons.

Grasshopper tho, thats mobility to choose where to engage, fade back and jump away, instead of being land bound and slow hill hump bound.

In your minds, grasshopper on mining colony/canyon network/river city versus blackknight on mining colony/canyon network/river city? Who has the advantage?

Edited by ManDaisy, 12 October 2014 - 04:53 PM.

[Helsbane]

ManDaisy, on 12 October 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

I sure as hell dont want another sit in the back and try and snipe mech (Blackknight). It doesn't have the armor to brawl, nor the mobility, nor the right kinda weapons.

Grasshopper tho, thats mobility to choose where to engage, fade back and jump away, instead of being land bound and slow hill hump bound.

In your minds, grasshopper on mining colony/canyon network/river city versus blackknight on mining colony/canyon network/river city? Who has the advantage?

Given the current state of Jump Jets, I'll take the Black Knight. Five more tons for heat sinks vs. the ability to drag my toes for 50m before lifting off? Yeah, tough choice that one.

[WarHippy]

Helsbane, on 12 October 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

Given the current state of Jump Jets, I'll take the Black Knight. Five more tons for heat sinks vs. the ability to drag my toes for 50m before lifting off? Yeah, tough choice that one.

JJ are being fixed this month so the Grasshopper is the much better choice.

[NocturnalBeast]

The Black Knight pulls ahead once more!

[El Bandito]

themoob, on 12 October 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

the black knight doesn't have a torso the size of a barn, and is at the top of its weight class instead of the bottom, which makes it superior to the awesome.

The Grasshopper is even slimmer than the Bad Knight. Combined with JJs, GHR is gonna have much higher survivability.

Also, due to Dropship mode having no class restriction and solely based on total weight, BK being at the top of its weight class means little.

Edited by El Bandito, 12 October 2014 - 06:41 PM.

[Hospy]

Maybe not for CW, but it does for non-CW unless something has changed recently.

[Greenjulius]

The only argument people have for the Black Knight is nostalgia and looks. On paper, the grasshopper is just a better mech. We really need an alternative to the CTF-3D. Cataphract is too wide.

Vote grasshopper. Vote for a better mech.

Edited by Greenjulius, 12 October 2014 - 06:57 PM.

[Lynx7725]

Wow. For Posterity again.



PGI's either going to have to implement both or none..

[ManDaisy]

Logic and experience is slowly triumphing against uninformed nostalgia.

[Joe Mallad]

Soul Tribunal, on 10 October 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

Just Remember folks, Civilians drive Grasshoppers, if you want to be a Citizen...vote Black Knight!

-ST

ok so once we get the two mechs, you take your Black Knight and Ill bring my Grasshopper to the party and I'll show you what a "Civilian" Mech as you call it, can do

[Lil Cthulhu]

Lynx7725, on 12 October 2014 - 07:11 PM, said:

Wow. For Posterity again.



PGI's either going to have to implement both or none..

Tie Breaker round

Cthulhu's choice.

[TheSteelRhino]

CycKath, on 12 October 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:

Which you are going to buy with MC of course, seeing you have chosen to forgo using ComStar-Bills...

There are still House bills...

[Joe Mallad]

Lynx7725, on 12 October 2014 - 07:11 PM, said:

Wow. For Posterity again.



PGI's either going to have to implement both or none..

like i said... they need to just do the same thing they did with the clan level ll pack. Give us the light, med (which ever heavy wins this) and an Assault and give those that buy the top tier (all four mechs) of the new IS pack and the top tier of any other mech pack in the past (gets the other heavy of this poll) before anyone else can buy it as a single mech.

[White Bear 84]

theta123, on 12 October 2014 - 02:06 PM, said:

3 frikking votes....this has to be the closest voting ever

lol 1 vote! Amazing!

[Belorion]

Lil Cthulhu, on 12 October 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

Tie Breaker round

Cthulhu's choice.

Or they can just flip a coin.

[El Bandito]

Don't tell me PGI is waiting for the 5000th vote to decide?

[IllCaesar]

4,800 votes, thats a lot more votes than I was expecting to see. Great turnout, the community is alive and well.

[Dawnstealer]

MarsAtlas, on 12 October 2014 - 07:32 PM, said:

4,800 votes, thats a lot more votes than I was expecting to see. Great turnout, the community is alive and well.

And still tied. Was not expecting that.

[Hospy]

Greenjulius, on 12 October 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

The only argument people have for the Black Knight is nostalgia and looks. On paper, the grasshopper is just a better mech. We really need an alternative to the CTF-3D. Cataphract is too wide.

Vote grasshopper. Vote for a better mech.

Or you know, it represents a role that IS heavies currently do not have as opposed to an inferior Cataphract.

[IraqiWalker]

Gas Guzzler, on 12 October 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

Why doesn't anyone else want a 9 Laser Vomit build?? It would be fun, and is currently very powerful on the TW (with 7 lasers). With some energy heat quirks that would likely come with the Black Knight, it could compete.

It's still going to be sub par in comparison. Why get a mech that we already know is inferior to it's competition, when we can get one to change things up.

Redshirt enraged, on 12 October 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

Ok...guess now i see your color...

You want a Timberwolf with IS coating...but i don´t think the BK will fulfill that role.

That would be the Flashman, it can mount an equivalent engine, and carry a terrifying amount of laser power.

Hospy, on 12 October 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

But the BK is an IS mech. It's kind of silly to say that the Clans make the BK obsolete, because the exact same mech that makes the BK substandard makes the Grasshopper substandard.

The Grasshopper has the same mobility as a CTF-3D. And if you think trading two ballistic slots for a head mounted missile is somehow an improvement, I don't know what to say.

Yes, the BK is an IS mech, however, it's a one trick pony, and it's a bad trick, to boot. The Grasshopper may not have ballistics on most variants, but all of it's variants boat energy just as well, if not better, with missiles, and jump jets.

Hospy, on 12 October 2014 - 08:11 PM, said:

Or you know, it represents a role that IS heavies currently do not have as opposed to an inferior Cataphract.

The CTF at best has 5 energy hardpoints, while the GHR will have on average 5+ not as low mounted (best CTFs have 2 somewhat high mounted, while the GHR might have more)

The only comparison you have relating it to the CTF so far has been the fact that both have a head mounted missile hardpoint. Other than that, I really don't see much of anything similar between them.