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[Bulletsponge0]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 October 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

for a title the Doomsayers keep saying is ready to fold and die?

Not bad at all.

This title, at the height of MW4 online, etc, never posted WoW numbers, or any other AAA title numbers. 30k MINIMUM ain't bad. Because the formula he used was by those who got their 10million Payout, it would be 28000.

A lot of people didn't get it, and even more like me, never tired for it. Mind you, a lot of people may have got 500k, 1mil, etc. So it's not like everyone got 10 mil, but considering the criteria to qualify for the 500k bonuses was probably met by a minority of players, it would indicate a much larger base, actually.

That said, if every maxed, If everyone who played this weekend maxed out, I believe it would be 3000 players. That said, again, since the people who actually got even 500k, let alone the full 10 mil are in the minority of the playerbase? probably not unreasonable to say 10x that actually played. Just not provable (on our side)

and don't forget...the c-bill bonus was only earned if you were on a winning team........so that skews the numbers too

[Chemie]

it was 20 for kills, 10 fdor assets and 1/15 of damage. Nothing for a loss. No points for a win.

[Zoid]

Votanin FleshRender, on 07 October 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

Are you sure an extra 20 for a win??

I had SEVERAL games in the area of 2 kills 7 assists and 300ish damage with a win that I did not qualify for the bonus for

It it is true, PGI owes me money!

No, you did not get 20 for a win for the extra cbills. You DID get 20 for a win for the leaderboard though.

[EgoSlayer]

Mcgral18, on 07 October 2014 - 01:47 PM, said:

The 130 points wasn't all that difficult, actually.

20 points was a win, which was necessary to get any points at all.

Let's say 2 kills which brings us to 60 points, 5 assists to 110, 400 damage (/15) is ~26 points minus a bit for Team Damage.

That doesn't seem all that hard to get. Even 9 assists and a win is 110 points, with 300 damage that gets you the 130 points needed.

The 20 points for the win was the barrier for entry to get the reward, it didn't count for the 130. So you needed a win and score 130 points with only the Kills/Assist/Damage values counting towards the 130 points.

Edit: Adding link:
http://mwomercs.com/...-adversaries-2/

Quote

SPECIAL AWARDS!

Players who opt in can earn 500,000 C-bills per victory when they score above 130 point. The maximum C-bills a player can earn for this event are 10,000,000.
Match points special formula:
(Kills × 20) + (Kill Assist × 10) + ((Damage Done - Team Damage) ÷ 15)

Edited by EgoSlayer, 07 October 2014 - 02:02 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Bulletsponge0, on 07 October 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

and don't forget...the c-bill bonus was only earned if you were on a winning team........so that skews the numbers too

Exactly.

So factor in:
-500k was only earned if your score was 130+
-Your team won that match
-You opted into the tournament

I did opt in, didn't track the Tournament Scoring, apparently, but in the dozen matches I played, only had match scores indicative I might have qualified twice, both times, my team lost.

Thus, I don't get remotely counted into the player base this gives us, and again, the 2830 would be the MINIMUM playerbase, assuming everyone opted in, and everyone scored their 10 million.

Considering how many did not opt in, did not score at all, played group drops to avoid the epic idiocy on the solo queues this weekend, and that most of those who DID play, did NOT score the 10 million, if they scored anything at all?

And it's easy and reasonable to extrapolate total numbers between 5-10x greater than the 2830 MINIMUM.

Just sayin'.

[Tristan Winter]

If anyone thinks the actual number of people who played this weekend is close to 3000, please roll up a nearby newspaper and/or magazine and slap yourself with it. I don't even know how many hours I invested in this challenge, but let's just say it was more than 10 hours and I didn't get more than 4,5 million. Granted, I'm a mediocre pilot in a suboptimal mech (Summoner Prime), but most players, by definition, are mediocre.

How many people playing this game have real lives, unlike me, and can't spend anywhere near 10 hours on a challenge like this? How many of those people got less than 5 million, maybe even just 1 or 2 million C-bills?

Like others have said, I think the game is doing fine, for a niche game. According to the latest town hall meeting, they've had a steady number of employees (around 50) for two years. That's a far more interesting and meaningful number than the speculation in this thread, IMO. I'm not criticizing the OP for bringing it up, but we need to apply some context before announcing that the world is ending.

[Bulletsponge0]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

If anyone thinks the actual number of people who played this weekend is close to 3000, please roll up a nearby newspaper and/or magazine and slap yourself with it. I don't even know how many hours I invested in this challenge, but let's just say it was more than 10 hours and I didn't get more than 4,5 million. Granted, I'm a mediocre pilot in a suboptimal mech (Summoner Prime), but most players, by definition, are mediocre.

How many people playing this game have real lives, unlike me, and can't spend anywhere near 10 hours on a challenge like this? How many of those people got less than 5 million, maybe even just 1 or 2 million C-bills?

Like others have said, I think the game is doing fine, for a niche game. According to the latest town hall meeting, they've had a steady number of employees (around 50) for two years. That's a far more interesting and meaningful number than the speculation in this thread, IMO. I'm not criticizing the OP for bringing it up, but we need to apply some context before announcing that the world is ending.

its the internet...the world is always ending

[DONTOR]

Zoid, on 07 October 2014 - 01:38 PM, said:

You're off by a factor of 10 I think, 2800 players minimum. 28x10^9 cbills, 1x10^7 cbills/person gives 28x10^2 people.

OHHHH **** you are right I didnt see the decimal on my calculator! Wellll I'll go hide in a cave now...

[Bulletsponge0]

DONTOR, on 07 October 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

OHHHH **** you are right I didnt see the decimal on my calculator! Wellll I'll go hide in a cave now...

I bet your thread title is closer to the actual number....so no hiding in a cave (there's no LRMs on the forums anyway)

[Warchild Corsair]

Rough estimate based on my unit (124 members) - where about 20-25 opted in and again a few did not stand it through (including myself having some bad games and not scoring any decent scores).
I'd say 2830 is by no means an accurate number, it is as Bishop said rather a minimum.

Edited by Warchild Corsair, 07 October 2014 - 02:06 PM.

[Asyres]

DONTOR, on 07 October 2014 - 01:21 PM, said:

Just using the collective C bills earned over the weekend (28,341,000,000) if everyone got 10 mil, which not everyone did we had atleast 28 thousand players. Not counting the people that didnt opt in, and those who only played with a group. I would say there were more than 30 thousand on over the weekend.

It seems that MWO is thriving, and thats good news!

This has been mentioned before, but you lost a 10 in there somewhere. That being said, I think 10 million cbills is exceedingly optimistic for average earnings per player.

[N0MAD]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 October 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

Exactly.

So factor in:
-500k was only earned if your score was 130+
-Your team won that match
-You opted into the tournament

I did opt in, didn't track the Tournament Scoring, apparently, but in the dozen matches I played, only had match scores indicative I might have qualified twice, both times, my team lost.

Thus, I don't get remotely counted into the player base this gives us, and again, the 2830 would be the MINIMUM playerbase, assuming everyone opted in, and everyone scored their 10 million.

Considering how many did not opt in, did not score at all, played group drops to avoid the epic idiocy on the solo queues this weekend, and that most of those who DID play, did NOT score the 10 million, if they scored anything at all?

And it's easy and reasonable to extrapolate total numbers between 5-10x greater than the 2830 MINIMUM.

Just sayin'.

Ok so did this $ earned figure ( still like to know where it comes from) include all $ earned during the weekend event or was it total $ earned over the weekend by Everyone that played over the week end..?

[DONTOR]

Torgun, on 07 October 2014 - 01:43 PM, said:

This math I can agree with and is pretty much what I would expect of the current player base in MWO.

thanks for the vote of confidence... but I was wrong

Bulletsponge0, on 07 October 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

I bet your thread title is closer to the actual number....so no hiding in a cave (there's no LRMs on the forums anyway)

I think so too, but still my maths..

[N0MAD]

DONTOR, on 07 October 2014 - 02:13 PM, said:

thanks for the vote of confidence... but I was wrong


I think so too, but still my maths..

pls see post above yours.. can you inform us?
and pls change title on thread, the current on is well.. you know.

Edited by N0MAD, 07 October 2014 - 02:16 PM.

[Scratx]

Just going to throw a comment out here.

1 - Indeed a lot of people probably didn't play on the weekend
2 - Many of those who opted in to the tourny didn't get the whole 10 million. I got about half of it, didn't play nearly enough. Could've gotten it had I more time
3 - How much of the player base even opted in to begin with? There's no downside, but it is still an affirmative action.

Given all this, I think it might be safe to estimate that at least twice that many people actually were playing and opted in. Beyond that, only PGI really knows how many didn't opt in.

So, we probably have a floor of around 5k players during the weekend. Not exactly something to be proud of, but frankly? It means nothing. If only 1 in 10 players actually opted in, that's 50k players, which is damn fine. 1 in 100? ... Okay, yeah, I don't believe that number, but it would make 500k players.

Frankly, I would not be surprised by the 1 in 10. We just don't know.

[DONTOR]

N0MAD, on 07 October 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

pls see post above yours.. can you inform us?
and pls change title on thread, the current on is well.. you know.

It was just money made from the 500KCbill matches otherwise there would be more than just zeros in the thousands and hundreds columns right....

Edited by DONTOR, 07 October 2014 - 02:19 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Mcgral18, on 07 October 2014 - 01:47 PM, said:

The 130 points wasn't all that difficult, actually.

20 points was a win, which was necessary to get any points at all.

Let's say 2 kills which brings us to 60 points, 5 assists to 110, 400 damage (/15) is ~26 points minus a bit for Team Damage.

That doesn't seem all that hard to get. Even 9 assists and a win is 110 points, with 300 damage that gets you the 130 points needed.

Nope.

You're reading the wrong scoring. The tournament scoring included 20 points per win of your best 10 games (basically +200 points flat), but the scoring for the bonus was different - read the bonus section carefully.

It was: Kills*20+Assists*10+(damagedone-teamdamage)/15

So, you needed a win to count at all, then a decent number of kills/assists. Realistically, 100 points worth, so say 6assists and 2 kills, plus 450 damage and zero team damage as a minimum.

Sure, every forumgoer does that in every match, but look at match end results, count how many players actually get scoring matches per game.

In my experience over the weekend, it was rarely more than 2-3 players out of the 24 in the match.

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So... Consider: most players won't opt in, because most never access the forums in the first place. Then of those who do, a lot of people can only play a handful of matches per day.

Let's assume a 1:1 wlr, which is going to be pretty average overall in the solo queue for the bulk of players.

Now, let's assume 3 players score per match. Thus, you've got 1/2 to win, 1/4 to score, or 1 in 8 matches. Very few folks play substantially more than 10 matches per day.

I think its pretty generous, then, to assume an average of 1m per opt in player - that's 2 scoring wins in roughly 16 matches.

Sure, a select few will do lots better, but there ARE lots and lots of people to whom that 130pt score is extremely tough to get. I know countless folks who practically never get matches like that.

If 1 person in 2 opts in, that gives us 56000 players that weekend. That's _really_ good for a niche game.

[Asyres]

Scratx, on 07 October 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

Just going to throw a comment out here.

1 - Indeed a lot of people probably didn't play on the weekend
2 - Many of those who opted in to the tourny didn't get the whole 10 million. I got about half of it, didn't play nearly enough. Could've gotten it had I more time
3 - How much of the player base even opted in to begin with? There's no downside, but it is still an affirmative action.

Given all this, I think it might be safe to estimate that at least twice that many people actually were playing and opted in. Beyond that, only PGI really knows how many didn't opt in.

So, we probably have a floor of around 5k players during the weekend. Not exactly something to be proud of, but frankly? It means nothing. If only 1 in 10 players actually opted in, that's 50k players, which is damn fine. 1 in 100? ... Okay, yeah, I don't believe that number, but it would make 500k players.

Frankly, I would not be surprised by the 1 in 10. We just don't know.

Honestly, the information provided isn't sufficient to draw useful conclusions, other than "more than 28 billion cbills were earned over the course of the weekend."

[N0MAD]

This thread gives great weight to a Player council doesnt it? people that cant understand a simple post on how the Score was worked out and others that well... maths is hard,, these are the people that could end up on a council..... ohhh my..

[Wintersdark]

N0MAD, on 07 October 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:

Ok so did this $ earned figure ( still like to know where it comes from) include all $ earned during the weekend event or was it total $ earned over the weekend by Everyone that played over the week end..?

It was just the 500k bonuses. The number was at all times exactly a multiple of 500,000.