972 replies to this topic

[Mekwarrior]

It just seems like the reign of tyranny of the ELO fanatics.

The all important ELO over everything else.

I don't think it's fair and it certainly doesn't have a balance for what all players want.

Personally I don't really care that much about elo, if they can make some improvements that's good but not at the expense of players being able to play the game that they want.

Edited by Mekwarrior, 08 October 2014 - 07:52 AM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Yoseful Mallad, on 08 October 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

i for one understand what you mean. I too have bought just as much as you and built my on PC just for this game. BUT... Just because I have spent so much on this game, does not mean I, you or anyone is entitled to get what we want. I'm not hating, bashing or anything like that. Please don't think that's my point in all this. But there are way to many people in this world that feel they are entitled to something just because they spent money on it. PGI doesn't owe us anything and I personally am to the point that I feel PGI really needs to stop asking us what we want and just do what they feel is best for the game. Why? Because us as the community as "helped" make this game what it is now and every time we ask for this or that and PGI gives it to us, most then turn right back around and say "that's not right!" "We didn't want this!" "I payed $250, why can't I play what I want?"

People are just too damned spoiled anymore and think someone owes them something all the time. This is not meant directly at you per say, but this is how I'm feeling about most of the community at large.

I dunno, going the opposite way and ignoring the ppl keeping the game going isnt the way to do it either is it? Youre actively saying you WANT to be ignored?

[Priest4357]

So far here's what I've been reading for the No vote:
If I don't get my way I'm taking my ball and going home. Whine about having to play a different mode once in a blue moon. Seriously I hate Skirmish. It's the same tactic every time. Run to the pre-determined fighting spot, and duke it out. That's it.

Assualt, well the only ones trying for the base are lights, and that's just not healthy. On top of that, if you do actually go for the base, and/or capture it, then you get cussed out, and taunted because you didn't fight to the end. So in other words, someone from Skirmish camp ended up choosing this as an option, and has their panties in a bunch.

Conquest - Don't you dare try and cap anything. You get your mech over here and fight it out. What the hell are you thinking??? That's the standard version.

So - The skirmish people queue up for everything, then ***** about getting something else. Some just quit and leave because if they aren't getting what they want, then everyone can suffer. Screw adapting, or just not being a knob. They are running home to cry to mommy because they didn't get their way.

Current choice, we all get something we don't want now and then. This cause us to man/woman up, put on our big boy pants, and actually act like adults. Whiney little kids need not apply.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Jason Parker, on 08 October 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

Where's that coming from all of a sudden?

The text quoted in the opening post clearly states that should the vote come out that way the voting system is removed with the next patch!

Jason Parker, on 08 October 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

Where's that coming from all of a sudden?

The text quoted in the opening post clearly states that should the vote come out that way the voting system is removed with the next patch!

One sec, this topic has garnered so many likes and quotes I have to go several pages back in my notificatons to find what Russ said

[Blackscreen]

I'm all for the new system as long as I can kick a dev in the nuts every time I get dropped into Conquest running a Dire Whale.

[Chrithu]

Yoseful Mallad, on 08 October 2014 - 07:48 AM, said:

didnt Russ say that if the this was voted down that it would be removed with the next patch?

Yes it was. I dunno if Buddah is aware of his mistake or just deliberately spewing lies to influence people. I have looked through all 36 pages of this thread as well as the list of Russ' last posts in his profile.

The only thing even close to Buddah's claim I found was on page two where Russ said that they do not have time to implement polls directly in game, which even was a direct answer to one of Buddah's posts.

Nowhere did Russ speak of that reverting the Game mode selection to the old state would have to wait until after CW. NOWHERE.

So the opening post still holds true: Should the vote end that way they will revert things with the next patch in 2 weeks time.

Edited by Jason Parker, 08 October 2014 - 07:57 AM.

[One Last Byte]

Personally, I just pick any game mode and deal with whatever mode I'm dropped into. All mechs have their own role to play in each game mode. At any rate, the map you get when you queue has more of an impact than the game mode you get. Would you rather have conquest on Frozen City with an assault brawler or have that same brawler for Skirmish on Alpine Peaks?

If you and your team can pilot and coordinate well, you can usually overcome whatever issues your mech may have with the mode. However, maps and spawns are harder to overcome.

Anyways, a big problem here is the fact that other people's votes dictate what mode you get more than you do. Let's say you have 12 skirmish-only players matched with 12 players that selected any mode. As I understand it, the matchmaker reads that as 24 votes for skirmish, 12 votes for assault, and 12 votes for conquest. So even though half of the players selected skirmish-only, they still only have a 50% chance of getting skirmish.

This is the problem--since there are 3 modes, if one person picks any mode whereas another person picks one specific mode, then the person who picked any has voted 2-1 against the one mode. Combined with the single vote for one mode, you have 50-50 odds of getting the mode that the one player specifically asked for.

I'm not going to vote on this because I don't have strong feelings about either option. I don't mind having the variety in what one is dropped into, and I think in some ways it requires people to become more well-rounded pilots and have better team coordination, but I understand that it is extremely frustrating to choose only one mode and still have a large chance of not getting that mode. Perhaps incorporating unchecked game modes for people who want specific game modes as "-1" (or better, "-.5") votes for the other game modes would help, although that could also have intense ramifications.

If you are trying to build mechs specifically for a certain game mode, IMO it takes a bit out of the dynamic and quick-thinking aspects of the game, but to each his own. Vote no then.

If you would rather not come up against teams that are specifically built for the game mode you're playing, and would rather play with/against teams with a hogepodge of mechs (although you could still potentially get a hodgepodge team vs a stacked team), then vote yes. However, know that by voting yes you are relinquishing much of your control over what game mode you select.

Edited by One Last Byte, 08 October 2014 - 07:59 AM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Russ Bullock, on 07 October 2014 - 08:39 PM, said:

Yes I don't have that functionality yet. I also do not want to remove any resources from CW to accommodate this poll. We need to live like this for a while longer.

The bolded part being the part Im talking about where he says they cant roll it back "to accomodate this poll"

Makes it kinda pointless, no?

And no; Id never alt-f4 when playing as I drop with an extremely good (good as in good guys, I dont do competitive so I dont know where they stand) MC and would never slap their faces like that

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 08 October 2014 - 07:59 AM.

[Cletus the Fighting Fetus]

The only mode I play is skirmish. I don't like the other two. My preference would be to go back to the old system. If the new system is kept, I have enough mechs I can just drop out of the other types of matches if that's what I get. I can keep doing this until I get a skirmish. I realize that option doesn't work if you don't have enough mechs to do it. I also realize that it sucks for the teams that lose the player but if it's the only option, it's the only option. I feel like I've put too much money into this game so far to be forced into playing game modes I don't want to play.

[Mekwarrior]

I also play only skirmish, this change is very very disappointing.

[Mystere]

Yoseful Mallad, on 08 October 2014 - 07:27 AM, said:

every MW game I have ever played (which is all of them) you as a player and team mate will at some point have to adapt to new game play or situations in a certain game. If some can't adapt because all they want to do is brawl in the biggest, slowest, most weaponized mech they can take because all they want to do is role over people, than this isn't a game for them IMO. People new to learn to adapt. I can play an assault mech in any game mode we have right now. I'll brawl it out in the skirmish mode, and in conquest I'll situate myself around a point and guard my team that does want to cap. I don't see how some say they can't play an Assault mech in conquest.

Looking at your posts on this issue, you seem to think that the problem is learning to play. What if I told you that for many people the issue is actually about choice, or more precisely the removal of it?

Also, did you know that a lot of people actually had no issue whatsoever with the matchmaker, whether it be the waiting time or the player/mech composition?

Please use your ePeen less.

Edited by Mystere, 08 October 2014 - 08:03 AM.

[Little Details]

Torn on this one. I don't like playing assault (otherwise known as last guy standing hides at base or even worse River City No One Leaves Base game mode) and haven't played it in 7 months before last night's weighted random game mode. I'd be happy to never play it again. HOWEVER, I am against any non-CW match allowing you to tailor your mech of choice to dominate. Do we really want 8erppc/gauss + 4lrmboats on Alpine every single match? 11ty lrmboats on Caustic? etc. The only way to keep mech loadouts honest is to not know what map/mode you get. For that reason alone, I'm willing to play Assault when I don't want to and Voted to keep it in.

[Bilbo]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:

The bolded part being the part Im talking about where he says they cant roll it back "to accomodate this poll"

Makes it kinda pointless, no?

And no; Id never alt-f4 when playing as I drop with an extremely good (good as in good guys, I dont do competitive so I dont know where they stand) MC and would never slap their faces like that

Context matters. He's speaking of in-game polls, not rolling back the mm change if necessary.

[T K O]

Forced game modes =/= ELO improvements.

[RomeoMustDie]

I'll hope it's a joke.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Prussian Havoc, on 08 October 2014 - 07:42 AM, said:

Horribly worded poll... so very biased in favor of maneuvering forum dwellers to pick the first "1. Yes"

Hey at least now Im not the only one saying it XD

Kay Wolf, on 08 October 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

Yes, you're absolutely right, but that does NOT mean each player gets their own vote, it just means their vote is cast as part of the group leader's vote. Once those votes are counted into the group leader's tally, it becomes a single vote. Each group has a single vote, even if the numbers are tallied together, because they ONLY go for the leader's mode choices.

Say I have three guys in an 8-Man drop who have NOTHING BUT Conquest chosen, and prefer to play Conquest, but the group leader -and this is true for me- only has Skirmish and Assault checked -I know what the larger number of my guys prefer-, so the Conquest guy's votes go to two game modes that three of my guys don't want to play. That's NOT fair to them. Last night, I did a test, checking Conquest after one game where I didn't have it checked, but we wound up playing Conquest, anyway, and the second game ALSO wound up being Conquest, and then the third game after I unchecked it, again, was also Conquest, and then we had only one other game of Conquest the entire night. However, the fact that I had all three checked made it so five of my guys were playing a game mode they didn't want to play.

I'm advocating for individual tally of votes. If there's a tie between one or more game modes, THAT is when the dice roll should come into play, and not before.

If we all have the same modes checked can we get the mode we want? Esp if we're dropping 12 man? Given then we shouldnt have anyone voting against us?

[Voivode]

I was very leery of this feature but I've been pleased with the results so far. I've actually had quite a few matches where I didn't even notice the game mode I was in until the end of the match because the fight was so close and pitched. Despite my misgivings I have to say this was a good choice. I vote to keep it.

[Jolly Llama]

themrty, on 08 October 2014 - 07:46 AM, said:

It's simple. Vote "No" and killed solo players community and prefer team players. So, "Yes" for ELO is nice deal for all. For pro team players you have personnal matchmaker.

Solo is just practice for teams. Also, ELO has been, and always will be, a pipe dream. This game has never had the server population for ELO, 3/3/3/3 matchmaking, or competitive solo play. Very soon, it won't have the server population for solo at all. These nerfs and stupid drop rules are running new and old players alike to other games. Games that they can choose the mode that they want to play in. I, for one, have stopped putting any money into this mess and I know many others who have as well. My guess is, by this time next year, the only money coming into this game will be first time players that will develop buyer's remorse rather quickly.

[Russ Bullock]

I was actually worried it is worded very much in favor of the No.

If I am able to get a link into the patcher this morning and non forum goers come in to vote, they likely won't have read any of the explanation posts or really know what ELO is.

They will just read #2 saying that they get to play the modes they want to and vote NO.

[Johnny Z]

vote 1188 here for the yes

This is the free beer and cookies poll right?

Edited by Johnny Z, 08 October 2014 - 08:14 AM.