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[salkeee]

Closer ELO before anything.

I dont care what mode it is but I want it to be good game not just stomp.

[Russ Bullock]

Voivode, on 08 October 2014 - 08:07 AM, said:

I was very leery of this feature but I've been pleased with the results so far. I've actually had quite a few matches where I didn't even notice the game mode I was in until the end of the match because the fight was so close and pitched. Despite my misgivings I have to say this was a good choice. I vote to keep it.

Even if the feature doesn't stay I appreciate this fair analysis. For many it won't matter if the matches are better they simply don't care, they want to avoid certain game modes.

I can respect people stating it that plainly on what matters to them.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Mystere, on 08 October 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

I am saving your post. It will be very useful to use once the poll results are put into question for arguing that people were misled.

They were. The poll is biased to get the answer they want, not an honest vote

How about

A.) I dont to be able to pick my game mode

B.) I want to be able to pick my game mode

[StonedDead]

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Russ Bullock, on 07 October 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:
Yes I don't have that functionality yet. I also do not want to remove any resources from CW to accommodate this poll. We need to live like this for a while longer."

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:

The bolded part being the part Im talking about where he says they cant roll it back "to accomodate this poll"

Makes it kinda pointless, no?

And no; Id never alt-f4 when playing as I drop with an extremely good (good as in good guys, I dont do competitive so I dont know where they stand) MC and would never slap their faces like that

That's Russ saying he'd like to have the poll right in the game, but cannot, as all resources are working on CW, in response to a persons post. He was not saying that if it is voted out, that we just have to deal with it a while longer. It will get pulled out next patch if it's voted down, or nothing will happen if the vote is yes.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

VanillaG, on 08 October 2014 - 07:50 AM, said:

If you can't get an 8 man team to agree on what modes and mechs to play before you drop there is nothing the match maker can do for you.

So wait, if you all vote for the same mode youll get it definitely?

Sorry, im a page back replying as I go and the thread is growing as fast as I reply

To the above. Yeah, he was replying to my post

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 08 October 2014 - 08:12 AM.

[Mystere]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

The original poll choices were skewed to get a certain answer (just like this is and just like any poll they put out) theyve said they cant roll back the choice because they dont have enough devs to do it so we're stuck with it till CW, Im thinking that a certain game mode was getting less players so they had to do this to beef up that que.

That is not true:

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So please vote again and I will leave the poll open for at least a week. When the poll is complete if necessary we will remove the voting system from the game at the next patch. Since the game was active for so long with the game mode hard selection in place I think it is only fair to the community that the vote needs to come out with a strong majority again.

[AlphaToaster]

So the last poll was locked with 2000+ views and 90 replies and was touted as what we want as a community. This one already has 700+ views and almost 20,000 views and the numbers show it's a much closer margin. Rock the vote!

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Zekester81, on 08 October 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

That's Russ saying he'd like to have the poll right in the game, but cannot, as all resources are working on CW, in response to a persons post. He was not saying that if it is voted out, that we just have to deal with it a while longer. It will get pulled out next patch if it's voted down, or nothing will happen if the vote is yes.

Id like to see him clairify that really cause the way I read it isnt that he's talking about the poll, that he's taking about the change that "we'll have to deal with for now"

[Russ Bullock]

Buddah did you really state that I said we would not be able to roll the change back? Sometimes it really does seem like your trying hard to cause trouble - truly.

Of course we will roll it out. I will roll it out Oct 21st if not in a hotfix before then.

[WM Jeri]

Anuerysm, on 08 October 2014 - 07:54 AM, said:

So far here's what I've been reading for the No vote:
If I don't get my way I'm taking my ball and going home. Whine about having to play a different mode once in a blue moon. Seriously I hate Skirmish. It's the same tactic every time. Run to the pre-determined fighting spot, and duke it out. That's it.

Assualt, well the only ones trying for the base are lights, and that's just not healthy. On top of that, if you do actually go for the base, and/or capture it, then you get cussed out, and taunted because you didn't fight to the end. So in other words, someone from Skirmish camp ended up choosing this as an option, and has their panties in a bunch.

Conquest - Don't you dare try and cap anything. You get your mech over here and fight it out. What the hell are you thinking??? That's the standard version.

So - The skirmish people queue up for everything, then ***** about getting something else. Some just quit and leave because if they aren't getting what they want, then everyone can suffer. Screw adapting, or just not being a knob. They are running home to cry to mommy because they didn't get their way.

Current choice, we all get something we don't want now and then. This cause us to man/woman up, put on our big boy pants, and actually act like adults. Whiney little kids need not apply.

Or I save myself the aggravation and just leave...consumerism at work, Consider it this way. I like to drive pickup trucks. If Ford stops making them I won't buy anything from them. Why, I don't like cars. Choice is a good thing, everyone had the ability to purchase in essence what they wanted. Now they are forcing something we don't want on some of us.

I only ever played one game mode...because its what I enjoyed I don't have any masochistic tendancies so I won't punish myself by doing something I don't enjoy especially in a game.

Thier method of abrogating thier responsiblity for choice to players by delegating a descision so a subset of players does not hunt with me. I had choice they took it away, why do people feel the need to force others to do what they want when freedom of choice give everyone the game modes they wanted?

PGI knows my spending habits...it was substantial, that has stopped will stop I won't patch nor play until this goes away, its the final straw lets say. More decisions like this and MWO will become Transverse. Yea I went there.

[Pyrrho]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:

The bolded part being the part Im talking about where he says they cant roll it back "to accomodate this poll"

Makes it kinda pointless, no?

I can see the ambiguity, but I believe he is referring to dedicating resources to coding an "online poll" for those playing the game versus visiting the forums.

Where he says "we'll just have to live like this a while longer" I believe he is talking about the poll implementation, not the mode voting feature. Others have already pointed out that he has said that the change can be reverted with the next patch.

[Mystere]

themrty, on 08 October 2014 - 07:46 AM, said:

It's simple. Vote "No" and killed solo players community and prefer team players. So, "Yes" for ELO is nice deal for all. For pro team players you have personnal matchmaker.

I think you missed the posts where Russ said that the large Elo variance existed in the group queue. The solo queue was just fine.

I suggest you withdraw your vote for now and start reviewing the pertinent information with regard to this issue. Once you have done that, you can always recast your vote.

[Hurthammer]

Slyder, on 07 October 2014 - 09:29 PM, said:

The problem with the change is that....

Group A (which likes all maps and enjoys playing them all at random)

Group B (players that like specific maps, and want to play those exclusively)

With the new system in place...Group A is given exactly what they want, by being able to queue for all 3 map types, while Group is is told their way is unaaceptable, and are FORCED to play modes they dont want too. Group A is given 100% of their choice, while Group B is given 0%

In the original system, Group A was given 100% of their choices by being able to queue for all map types, and Group B was equally given 100% of their choices, by being able to queue for what they want.


The New system completely favors 1 play style, while destroying the other.

The Old system gives equality to both groups.

THIS.

[mttha]

Hows this for fair match ups... If my team gets Conquest WE WILL ALL DISCO. that should even thins right up!!!

[Russ Bullock]

WM Jeri, on 08 October 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:

More decisions like this and MWO will become Transverse. Yea I went there.

I accept how you feel and can respect it. But this is a statement that is unfair. I mean we truly felt we followed a process on this feature implementation that was asked for by the community. Ask you guys and listen. We felt that is exactly what we did.

Okay did we misunderstand? or maybe the original poll should not have been run until the better explanations were provided? Perhaps so - that is why we are running the poll again. Speak as a community now and if necessary I will roll out the feature no later than the Oct 21st patch.

[OffC3nter]

i'm a little surprised at how closely divided the poll is. I voted yes myself since i always leave all game modes selected anyway. It is a personal superstition that by doing this i tend to get closer better matches, with less wait time. But then i'm also that light ecm mech that will stroll along at 50kph behind the assaults giving them cover as they walk to wherever they are going. or that black jack that pokes out from behind your dire wolf to take pop shots at your target. I will fully understand peoples dislike of certain modes and I sympathize but d/c out of spite of what game mode they got is a really a ****** move.

[Johnny Z]

The synch drop brigade is quiet because they are busy making alt accounts for the poll. haha

[Voivode]

mttha, on 08 October 2014 - 08:18 AM, said:

Hows this for fair match ups... If my team gets Conquest WE WILL ALL DISCO. that should even thins right up!!!

Meh. This is why I avoid Skirmish. Too many Skirmish players cop an attitude if anyone expects them to engage their legs and move.

[Coolant]

I hate, hate, hate being forced to play Conquest! You can't even see how many mechs your team has killed or how many you have left (yes, I know you can bring up scoreboard, but I use controller and limited # of buttons to assign, plus in combat you don't want to be doing math). Plus, half your team is trying to cap while those who just want to fight search out enemies and teams don't even stay together. If I wanted a race game I would go and play Nascar. This is a mech combat game.

The vote is close which means there is no clear majority, so put things back the way they were!

[Jolly Llama]

Russ Bullock, on 08 October 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

Even if the feature doesn't stay I appreciate this fair analysis. For many it won't matter if the matches are better they simply don't care, they want to avoid certain game modes.

I can respect people stating it that plainly on what matters to them.

It doesn't matter what veteran players that spend money think about this or any other "feature" of the game. You know you have done the wrong thing with this, otherwise you wouldn't be having a second poll after you forced it on us. Nothing new is being stated here that was not stated on the forum and poll posting before you went live with this. It is just like the feedback you got for ghost heat, UI 2.crap, LRM speed changes, 3/3/3/3, and a host of other issues. You don't care and only want to prove that you are right by forcing changes and proclaiming success. Show us your server populations before and after each of these changes if you want to prove something. Or better yet, give us a server population when we log in so that we can see for ourselves each time we play.

I have quit spending money on this game and am active encouraging others to do the same until we get some resolution on this and other much older barbs under our saddles. A lot of us were playing the Battletech franchise before most of the developers were even a thought. We have seen Battletech games, and companies, come and go. There will be another one if you fail. We are a patient fanbase.