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[Thorn Blackwell]

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

I read that post and watched the videos. I have read and watched the majority of them. They are not compelling evidence for the purchase option.

Then don't buy ...

Nobody is as special as their mother tells them they are.

[gregsolidus]

Will founders be under NDA in August?

[Glythe]

The NDA is a good thing as it keeps rival games (hawken) from stealing the secret recipe.

Betas often have phases where you MUST play under laggy circumstances just to see how the game reacts.... it really can give a bad opinion of the game because you are often NOT told that is what they are doing until after they have done it (like most psych experiments whatever they tell you is the premise is a lie and afterward they tell you the truth).

I want the game it is worth 60$ for me to have a guaranteed front row seat.

[FactorlanP]

BFalcon, on 24 June 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

I doubt the kind of people who'd diss the game because of it being a beta would bother to pay attention to such a notice anyhow...

Ding ding, we have a winner!

[Diomed]

Glythe, on 25 June 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

The NDA is a good thing as it keeps rival games (hawken) from stealing the secret recipe.

Betas often have phases where you MUST play under laggy circumstances just to see how the game reacts.... it really can give a bad opinion of the game because you are often NOT told that is what they are doing until after they have done it (like most psych experiments whatever they tell you is the premise is a lie and afterward they tell you the truth).

I want the game it is worth 60$ for me to have a guaranteed front row seat.

This game will be released in a few months (1-2), there is no way another company can make use of any information that quickly. There are ZERO other mech games in development and quite frankly this game is doing little in the way of inovation that another complany might want to steal. MWo is special because it is the ONLY Battletech game about to release.

They are asking for money. That means I need to test-drive the car I am about to buy. I can't do that if they won't open the lot to let me. We have been burned too many times to trust them at their word. If the game is so great why not let us have a look?

[FactorlanP]

Diomed, on 25 June 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

There are ZERO other mech games in development

That's not strictly true. There is that FPS Hawken thing coming out.

I understand the desire to try before you buy. But I think you need to understand that the Founders packages are really called Founders packages because they are a way for the BattleTech/Mechwarrior fans a way to be in on (in a small way) the creation and developement of a game that they (we) have been waiting for many many years.

If you don't find yourself in that category, then just hold on to your cash until the game goes live. You will be able to buy a Premium account later, maybe even C-Bill boosted mechs (who knows).

It just doesn't sound like a Founders package is right for you.

[Diomed]

FactorlanP, on 25 June 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

That's not strictly true. There is that FPS Hawken thing coming out.

I understand the desire to try before you buy. But I think you need to understand that the Founders packages are really called Founders packages because they are a way for the BattleTech/Mechwarrior fans a way to be in on (in a small way) the creation and developement of a game that they (we) have been waiting for many many years.

If you don't find yourself in that category, then just hold on to your cash until the game goes live. You will be able to buy a Premium account later, maybe even C-Bill boosted mechs (who knows).

It just doesn't sound like a Founders package is right for you.

That Hawken is an interesting find, thanks.

I may do just that and wait. The fear is that the Founder Mechs may be significantly superior to standard mechs and I do not wish to be at a disadvantage, but they may pull the 'Lowe' move on us and release an OP mech a few months after release. It's hard to say.

[FactorlanP]

Diomed, on 25 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

That Hawken is an interesting find, thanks.

I may do just that and wait. The fear is that the Founder Mechs may be significantly superior to standard mechs and I do not wish to be at a disadvantage, but they may pull the 'Lowe' move on us and release an OP mech a few months after release. It's hard to say.

According to the Devs, the Founders mechs only difference from a standard Mech is the unique skin (no advantage there) and the C-Bill boost (no in battle advantage there either).

I don't think you need to be concerned about it.


Posted by Paul in another thread

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For the rest of you:

Stock Catapult C1
2 LRM 15's
4 ML
Currently 2 Missile Hardpoints and 4 Energy Hardpoints.

Founders Catapult C1
2 LRM 15's
4 ML

Currently 2 Missile Hardpoints and 4 Energy Hardpoints.

They're identical with the exception of a slight model change and paint scheme.

And another thing:

Paying for weapon X with C-Bills is NOT P2W
Paying for weapon X with C-Bills OR MechWarrior Credits is NOT P2W
Paying for weapon X with MechWarrior Credits ONLY, THAT is P2W and what we are NOT doing.

Watching people who don't even bother noting that we are following up with everything we've promised come up with outright fabricated "facts".... priceless.

Edited by FactorlanP, 25 June 2012 - 10:25 AM.

[Name48928]

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

I'm sorry but this position strikes me as extremely naive. With debacles like Anarchy Online, SWG, Battlecruiser, Diablo 3, Star Trek Online, Champions Online and a host of other failed or lacking titles how can you say this? We have examples ad nauseum of game devs lying to people to bump-up sales and then pulling the old 'bait and switch' once the game goes retail.

I have no use for faith. Faith is the acceptance of a fact or position in contravention of the evidence. I use data, logic and reason, not faith. In other words, I don't make crap up.

You and me both. But I don't expect a company to allow reports of incomplete, bug-ridden software out into the marketplace when it is not representative of their final, planned product. Complaints and misleading information on an incomplete product is worse for PR than restricting information. At least at this point in development.

Therefore, I take what information I have. I don't fill in any blanks. And I wait patiently until more information is officially released.

It'd be naive to think that complaints on a forum would lift an NDA at this point.

[Bob Random]

MinionJoe, on 25 June 2012 - 10:26 AM, said:

You and me both. But I don't expect a company to allow reports of incomplete, bug-ridden software out into the marketplace when it is not representative of their final, planned product. Complaints and misleading information on an incomplete product is worse for PR than restricting information. At least at this point in development.

Therefore, I take what information I have. I don't fill in any blanks. And I wait patiently until more information is officially released.

It'd be naive to think that complaints on a forum would lift an NDA at this point.

I agree wholeheartedly.

[PoPuP]

Frollet, on 24 June 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

guild wars lowered the NDA cause fanboys couldnt keep it in their pants between beta weekends, as far as i assume mechwarrior is a constant beta and releasing info on things that could change only makes PGI look bad things ive learnt in games design, most games change atleast 3 times during production, be faithfull or wait til we know more im sure the NDA will be down befor the founders packages are removed

I agree with
Frollet so he gets a

[wanderer]

Honestly, I'd be patient peoples. Closed Beta means "Lots of stuff in flux".

Maybe jump jets don't work right yet. Or LRM's plow into hillsides instead of going over them when you're trying indirect fire. Or the secret Urbanmech the closed Beta players are testing keeps crashing the game when it fires it's Ubercannon.

What I've seen is people take what shows up in closed betas and go loopy with it, that "what you see is what you get"...and when it turns out it isn't, they pitch Internet tantrums. Honestly, I think a lot of the beta players probably look at threads like these, laugh and facepalm while trying to deal whatever crud the latest build has broken.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

To me this decision is simple. If you liked MechWarrior games, and you would love a modern day MechWarrior multipayer like me, then you will get your money's worth. If you weren't a MechWarrior player in the past and don't know any of this stuff, maybe you should go try one. You can get MW4 Mercs for free on a site fyi(http://www.mektek.ne...4/download.html). It's a single player yes but pretty much all of these Mechs and weapons are on that game and don't function much differently than they will on this one. The graphics still hold up pretty well too if you max it out, which should be pretty damn easy for a modern PC to do.(If you're even able to run MWO, you should blow MW4M away by default) So basically MechWarrior Online is more or less a modern day update with multiplayer more than anything.

If you can't come to a decision you are sure about, then I suggest just hitting the 30$ Founders, which is probably less than what you'd pay for most other games anyway. If you can't even stomach risking that little, then just don't Pre-order and try it when it is released.

[oohawkoo]

Diomed, on 25 June 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

This game will be released in a few months (1-2), there is no way another company can make use of any information that quickly. There are ZERO other mech games in development and quite frankly this game is doing little in the way of inovation that another complany might want to steal. MWo is special because it is the ONLY Battletech game about to release.

They are asking for money. That means I need to test-drive the car I am about to buy. I can't do that if they won't open the lot to let me. We have been burned too many times to trust them at their word. If the game is so great why not let us have a look?

ud be suprised how fast something can be stolen by another company ...and used it happend with another game i played the entire spell tree had to be scraped and reworked cos it got stolen .... and that was days befor it was supposed to be added to the game

oh and if you bother reading the info about the founders mechs.. they are exactly the same aside from looks and a cbill boost ... i really dont see what your worrying about on this point it was made perfectly clear:P

Edited by oohawkoo, 25 June 2012 - 10:43 AM.

[Freakiie]

Diomed, on 25 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

That Hawken is an interesting find, thanks.

I may do just that and wait. The fear is that the Founder Mechs may be significantly superior to standard mechs and I do not wish to be at a disadvantage, but they may pull the 'Lowe' move on us and release an OP mech a few months after release. It's hard to say.

First, it's been plastered all over the founder pack info that the functionality off the founder mechs is EXACTLY the same as their normal prime counterparts. So you complain about "lack of info" yet don't even have the info that's all over the place?

Second, a "Löwe" move? OP premium mech? Are you seriously implying that WoT premiums are OP? You know what, perhaps, no I'm quite sure actually that it's just you. Stop pointing at PGI, look in the mirror and point at the face you see there. That's what's at fault here.

[Hawkeye 72]

Diomed, on 25 June 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

They are asking for money.

Idk about that...pretty sure they are just saying "here's some bonus stuff if you want it"

Garth:
"I guess the difference as I see it, is that we're handing you this game and going "You can play this now, for free, and we love you" and then saying "and if you like us, consider these entirely optional purchases.""

http://mwomercs.com/...post__p__414543

I haven't been asked for money at all.

This is kinda like walking into a grocery store and then getting mad because there is food for sale. No one is forcing you to buy their food, but you can if you would like.

[Name48928]

Bluten, on 25 June 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

So basically MechWarrior Online is more or less a modern day update with multiplayer more than anything.

Which is just speculation. Using that argument, if you liked X-Wing/Tie Fighter, then you'd definitely enjoy the space combat in SWTOR.

The difference is that SWTOR has been released and we know what the space combat is like in it.

Don't get me wrong. From the little that I've seen, I believe PGI is taking the right path. But you can't expect MWO to be an improved version of a previous game. Such comparisons lead to misinformation and false preconceptions.

[jlbdeath]

well not sure if you know this or not its been said only a few million times buuuuuttttt its a FREE TO PLAY game not sure how you preorder a FREE GAME as its FREE to down load. if you WANT you can use money to get the founders packs or pay to get different lvl accounts depending on how much u spend in real $. i am broke as broke as can be but even I can afford FREE. if i get a few extra buck i might get the 30 dollar founders pack. no getting burned no wasted dollars just play it when you can down load it. low stress my friend is the key

[Koenig]

jlbdeath, on 25 June 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

well not sure if you know this or not its been said only a few million times buuuuuttttt its a FREE TO PLAY game not sure how you preorder a FREE GAME as its FREE to down load. if you WANT you can use money to get the founders packs or pay to get different lvl accounts depending on how much u spend in real $. i am broke as broke as can be but even I can afford FREE. if i get a few extra buck i might get the 30 dollar founders pack. no getting burned no wasted dollars just play it when you can down load it. low stress my friend is the key

When people talk about "pre-ordering" they are talking about buying the founder pack. The fact that the game is F2P is irrelevant. Everyone knows the game is F2P. The concern about the NDA and expiering founder pack all revolve around a purchase: The founder pack purchase. Some call it a pre-order, others call it buying the founder pack. Its the same ******* thing. If you can get over this semantical point, you will be a much happier little doggy.

[Diomed]

MinionJoe, on 25 June 2012 - 10:26 AM, said:

You and me both. But I don't expect a company to allow reports of incomplete, bug-ridden software out into the marketplace when it is not representative of their final, planned product. Complaints and misleading information on an incomplete product is worse for PR than restricting information. At least at this point in development.

Therefore, I take what information I have. I don't fill in any blanks. And I wait patiently until more information is officially released.

It'd be naive to think that complaints on a forum would lift an NDA at this point.

I agree with your first two points.

I don't agree that it would be naive to expect the NDA to come down now since we have at least one modern, AAA title, Guild Wars 2, that has dropped its NDA and is doing very well. The fact that Areanet has taken this move shows their faith in their work and their trust in the community to judge it as a project still in BETA. This has also lead to a deluge of information on the game, data that we can use to base a purchase on. GW2 is also further from release than MWo and it is a much more complex title than MWo.

There simply are no good, logical reasons for MWo to stay under NDA. It makes me wonder if they are hiding a badly flawed, shallow game with pay2win aspects.