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[BFalcon]

Hawkeye 72, on 24 June 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

His trolling is hilarious and aggravating, yet I feel confident saying none of it has negatively impacted someones ability to play the game or enjoy the pre-open beta process.

Though from what I hear he is a pretty damn good pilot, so good luck trying to leg him

Wrong damned time zone anyhow, sadly... it's 2am here now and I doubt he's sitting down to play yet - certainly not on a weekday...

And I'm so rusty, I suspect my mech will creak - last mech game I played for any real length of time was MW3 - tried 4 and shelved it after a short time.

[GHQCommander]

They ain't taking risks are they.

I realized that then bought Legendary. With the effort they are putting in, they have to get it right. They aren't promising too much and trying to create too much as I have seen in many new MMO.

A nice solid and simple start could be the best foundation we have seen in an MMO for a long time. The fun will deliver profit, the profit will deliver updates quickly.

[Zuri Prime]

There can't be much in the way of major unfinished content if the open beta is a little over a month away.

[ORIGINAL SteelWolf]

ice trey, on 24 June 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

I would assume that what's going on in the beta is still bound to be buggy and unfinished.
I think that's part of why they have the NDA; some people will base whether they buy a game or not on an unfinished product.

I paid the full package, but I have a much different mentality about it; I'm not paying for goods, I'm donating to the company to make sure this product sees the light of day. Good or bad, I've waited a decade for a new Mechwarrior title to come out. There've been several abortive attempts to make Mechwarrior games in the past, but all that has kept interest in that computer game franchise alive this long are a bunch of fan products. Without Mechwarrior titles in the public eye, Battletech tabletop suffers a hit.

I want this game to be good, so that new players give Battletech P&P a try. As such, I donated what I could to the cause.

Its not the same.
Battletech is the tabletop game using damage sheets of mechs and other vehicles.
Mechwarrior is the Tabletop game involving character sheets of human based player types not machines. And skill points.

[Hawkeye 72]

Airmanator, on 24 June 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

There can't be much in the way of major unfinished content if the open beta is a little over a month away.

See, this seems to be the problem around here. Unfortunately a lot of misconceptions.
Open beta is not a month away.

We went like this:

1. Friends and Family Beta
2. Closed Beta 1 (This is where we are now with 10,000 testing)
3. Closed Beta 2 (~July 10th, where more people are added in)
4. Founders Beta/Early Access to Closed Beta (This is August 7th, where anyone who bought the founders package gets in)
5. Open Beta aka Launch (undetermined but before the end of summer, so before September 21st)

So lets say we have a tentative launch date of September 7th. In that case we have 2+ months until the game is officially released.

[Zuri Prime]

Hawkeye 72, on 24 June 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

See, this seems to be the problem around here. Unfortunately a lot of misconceptions.
Open beta is not a month away.

We went like this:

1. Friends and Family Beta
2. Closed Beta 1 (This is where we are now with 10,000 testing)
3. Closed Beta 2 (~July 10th, where more people are added in)
4. Founders Beta/Early Access to Closed Beta (This is August 7th, where anyone who bought the founders package gets in)
5. Open Beta aka Launch (undetermined but before the end of summer, so before September 21st)

So lets say we have a tentative launch date of September 7th. In that case we have 2+ months until the game is officially released.

Aside from balancing, eye candy and additional maps and mechs, the game is probably in a good enough state to release information on, and to reduce the NDA to the extent as to show how the currency system works, the match making, founder's mech hard points, etc. Things of that caliber. From my earlier and unaddressed post in this thread, we've seen that the Dragon and Catapult seem to be, to some extent, underpowered with the Atlas tentatively in the same boat.

Really, more gameplay footage would be nice. I think we're grown up enough to not kiddie rage over slight or not-so-slight deviations to the game mechanics from a game released ~ten years ago. A lot of posters are claiming that they're very confident in what Pirahnna Games is doing, so they don't want or don't care about additional information to what we have because they say they're going to be happy with it either way. Though I want to see some of them eat their own words, by their own admissions they would be fine with this course of action.

All in all, it's PG's call. As a consumer who has put forward a sum of money to support a product, I feel I should at least see more about the game to get me even more hyped.

Cheers.

Edit: typos. Firefox's spell check doesn't work with this site for some reason.

Edited by Airmanator, 24 June 2012 - 08:58 PM.

[Hawkeye 72]

Airmanator, on 24 June 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Really, more gameplay footage would be nice. I think we're grown up enough to not kiddie rage over slight or not-so-slight deviations to the game mechanics from a game released ~ten years ago. A lot of posters are claiming that they're very confident in what Pirahnna Games is doing, so they don't want or don't care about additional information to what we have because they say they're going to be happy with it either way. Though I want to see some of them eat their own words, by their own admissions they would be fine with this course of action.

All in all, it's PG's call. As a consumer who has put forward a sum of money to support a product, I feel I should at least see more about the game to get me even more hyped.

The Founders package wasn't really designed as a product for the consumer. It was designed as a bonus for the longtime fans who have been waiting for this game for a decade and a reward for them.

And all these users who are saying they are very confident...well maybe they are saying that because they are in the Closed Beta, and that is a subtle way of them trying to tell the forums whats up. My theory anyway

I mean there are 10,000 of them out there. Who knows...

[ORIGINAL SteelWolf]

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No that's not what faith is.


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Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
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Edited by ORIGINAL SteelWolf, 24 June 2012 - 09:12 PM.

[silentD11]

Hawkeye 72, on 24 June 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

The Founders package wasn't really designed as a product for the consumer. It was designed as a bonus for the longtime fans who have been waiting for this game for a decade and a reward for them.

And all these users who are saying they are very confident...well maybe they are saying that because they are in the Closed Beta, and that is a subtle way of them trying to tell the forums whats up. My theory anyway

I mean there are 10,000 of them out there. Who knows...

I think a lot of us are tabletop gamers, mechwarrior PC gamers, read the books, or some mix of the three. This is a universe that has a massive fan base. I'm willing to throw money at it. I mean, if someone right now kick started a Warhammer 40k major item I'd toss money at that as well. These are just things I grew up with and enjoy.

[Zuri Prime]

Hawkeye 72, on 24 June 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

The Founders package wasn't really designed as a product for the consumer. It was designed as a bonus for the longtime fans who have been waiting for this game for a decade and a reward for them.

And all these users who are saying they are very confident...well maybe they are saying that because they are in the Closed Beta, and that is a subtle way of them trying to tell the forums whats up. My theory anyway

I mean there are 10,000 of them out there. Who knows...

We can't say either way, but the impression I recieved from these chaps is that anyone who wants something aside from what the Founder's pack offers should kindly or not-so-kindly keep their mouth shut and not come back to this forum.

See, I can go to IGN and see weapons information, mechs and a few select gameplay videos, but I wouldn't mind seeing more. I sure the game would turn out well and I like what I see, but I wouldn't mind more. After all, I can only play the Mech Bayless Living Legends mod for so long. Keep me excited, PG.

[Hawkeye 72]

Airmanator, on 24 June 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

We can't say either way, but the impression I recieved from these chaps is that anyone who wants something aside from what the Founder's pack offers should kindly or not-so-kindly keep their mouth shut and not come back to this forum.

See, I can go to IGN and see weapons information, mechs and a few select gameplay videos, but I wouldn't mind seeing more. I sure the game would turn out well and I like what I see, but I wouldn't mind more. After all, I can only play the Mech Bayless Living Legends mod for so long. Keep me excited, PG.

I am sure you will get more info when the time comes. Remember PGI switches over to their production software soon, and im guessing after that we will see a major increase on content release.

[silentD11]

The problem is IGN is a horrible place for information, they never know what they are talking about to fans of something. I own multiple arcade machines and their fighting game coverage and opinions is completely off, I wouldn't buy games I love based off their information and reviews, they just suck.

[MC Hammer]

Silent, on 24 June 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

Keep the NDA indefinitely just for this guy.

Agreed

[The Vogfather]

are you serous? NDAs are part of beta testing and they would be foolish not to. the whole point is to prevent backstabbing and to cover their butt.

lets say a beta tester doesn't like how the game is turning or gets mad and wants to troll the game.. so they take video of the issues they find and give them to several game news sites. even though the game isn't done in the first place it could give the impression to potential buyers that the game itself will be full of bugs. without an nda there wasn't much they could do about it but ban them.. however with an nda they can go back and sue them for braking it and giving out sensitive info to the media.

Edited by The Vogfather, 24 June 2012 - 10:01 PM.

[Kenshar]

I agree the NDA should be dropped. August 7th the NDA drops anyway... Why not drop it a month early just so people who haven't bought founders and supported the game have a little better info to help push them along. It would also help the gain actually gain some popularity and attract more attention from youtube uploads. Waiting to drop the NDA until the founders program is over seems counter intuitive from a business standpoint.

Before all you fanboys go all crazy with the "You have to have faith in the game to be a founder".... just stop right there and think about what would make the game more popular. More press = more excitement.. which = more money.. which = a better game for all of us and a prosperous game for PGI. I bought my legendary just like alot of you.... but that doesn't mean you have to be a snob to people who haven't. These people who want the NDA dropped so they can make their decision to buy founders are the same as us that have already bought it. They just need some actual info before investing to them what could be a large chunk of income.

I understand the criticism about the game not being done, but I think that would be understandable in vids since it's a BETA. If people would like to upload glitches to youtube let them. If anything it would showcase these more annoying issues to the developers. NDA will be dropped August 7th anyway... a little over one month. There is no reason why people should have to miss out on founders because they don't want to take a gamble.

For all those reading this who are in this boat; all I can offer is a little hope. Even if the NDA stands... the devs have agreed to produce more gameplay vids before founders is over. See this thread I made here : http://mwomercs.com/...lay-video-poll/ . Paul responded and said that he would support the idea for gameplay vids to be released. Go vote and show support for this and we might get it sooner than ya think.

Edited by Kenshar, 24 June 2012 - 11:16 PM.

[Farris]

Nope.
That is all.

[Vanguard319]

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

I read that post and watched the videos. I have read and watched the majority of them. They are not compelling evidence for the purchase option.

I doubt you would be satisfied even if you were lucky enough to recieve a beta invite, as you seem to be ready to make a final judgement on a game that isn't even in open beta yet, nor likely close to being a final retail product.

Frollet, on 24 June 2012 - 06:57 AM, said:

valid argument
however you fail to realise that this is PGI's passion project and they are taking a make or break risk on this game if this fails their company is likely to be no more and their employee's involved will be taineted in the games dev industry for a long time because no publisher will want to work with them without some crazy contract that just isnt worth it.
i have every faith that everyone at PGI are putting 200% into this game because its their jobs on the line and its a project they care about games devs like me (so far) have to make what we are told, im truely envious of them and want to see the game do well not only for the company but so i can continue to play it without resorting to reworking code to get player hosted servers up if they proper ones close down

so faith is justifyed

Frollet hit the reason for NDAs perfectly. Just to emphasize his argument, Square Enix was forced to change the producer of Final Fantasy XIV following the negative backlash from it's release. (And in essence, put it back in open beta.) In all fairness, It's probably one of the better MMOs now, (and getting even better) but the debacle still cost SE some of it's reputation and credability. I'm sure PGI isn't going to make the same mistakes with it being so fairly recent. They also don't want to wind up promising something that may come back to bite them someday, and it's for this reason the people in the closed beta signed an NDA: To keep confidential info about the game confidential until it's ready to be revealed.

Edited by Vanguard319, 24 June 2012 - 11:55 PM.

[Jenin]

Is this the way it goes in most game communities during the beta phase? I have never been around a game in its closed beta stage of development like I have here, but this craps sad.

[Deathz Jester]

Jason Phoenix, on 24 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Sorry to say but, having Devs Troll their Customer Base is one reason.

That's Paul trolling, and to my knowledge he is the only dev who blatantly trolls, and its quite amusing when he does, I look forward to his trolls. The others may jest about things, but they certainly do not troll.

Unless you can cite/post links to these "trolls" you are a liar.

Jason Phoenix, on 24 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Having no clue what the word Marketing means is another.

mar·ket·ing [mahr-ki-ting] market.
2.
the total of activities involved in the transfer of goods fromthe producer or seller to the consumer or buyer, includingadvertising, shipping, storing, and selling.

You sounded like you didn't know what it meant and needed to know, you're welcome.

Jason Phoenix, on 24 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Using the Mechwarrior Name/Brand to Milk thousands of Fans is yet one more.

How are they "milking" thousands of fans? Because they're ASKING, for money for a product that you DO NOT have to buy?
So unless you can cite an example you are yet again a liar.

Jason Phoenix, on 24 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Then the fact that they literally try to rip off their customer base by forcing them to buy a Beta Key ?!? (Open Beta yea, but Beta still...) {Edit: Read here, in order to get into Open Beta...}

Forcing? where did they say "You have to buy this to get a beta key" ? It doesn't even guarantee beta access, it just raises your chances of getting in. Somebody seems to think they're entitled to a key since they have an account on the forums and they've posted a few times.

So again, cite an example of them saying that someone had to buy a beta key to get into the beta, I guess you're a liar again.

Jason Phoenix, on 24 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Ohhh and I almost forgot... They even dont give you a chance to see which way they REALY are heading with World of Mech:Online Mechwarrior:Online before attempting to rip you off...

OH HAHAHA I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE A WoW JOKE SO ORIGINAL, they tell you what they are heading towards in interviews, devblogs, and various game site coverage. Along with footage, articles, etc. from E3.

So again, you're a liar.

Jason Phoenix, on 24 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Need any more reasons than that ?!?

Yes, you do, since being a liar has made your argument invalid.

Jason Phoenix, on 24 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Cmon... Enough with all the BS already...

Enough with the lying.

Edited by Iron Harlequin, 25 June 2012 - 09:16 AM.

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