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[Pvt Dancer]

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

Thank you.

I am not calling anyone stupid, or foolish, or implying that the act of preordering this game is in anyway a prima facie indication that you are wrong.

My point is that more information would be helpful. I have spent months reading, watching and listening to data about this game and I do not think it is enough. I want more data BECAUSE I am interested in this game. MWo has a lot of potential and I too hope that it is a good game.

Sadly, my 20 years of experience in playing and beta testing PC games has taught me to be skeptical.

20 years, eh? Really... 20 years. I am sorry BUT ***! NDA is there to protect the damn company from having things stolen from it to be used in other games, pretty much copyright laws. 'Oh, sorry dude, you were in beta when you created that, no way for us to know you were doing that because some tardo breaking your NDA didn't post everything on 4chan.' You don't beta test a game to see if you like it, you beta test a game because you offered up an obligation to work for free as an extra pair of eyes to fix a game and help it run better, in exchange you promise to keep your word and keep your mouth shut and not spread info about the game to competitors.

I am sorry, but that sort of selfish arrogance really ****** me off. If you claim to have 20 years testing, you should *** **** know better than that!

[Zeus X]

<<<<<<<<<<< That symbol I have over to my left there states. "I Support this company for making a mechwarrior game that I have been waiting 10+ years for".

Now if you can't support this company for making what I already call a FANFUCKINGTASTIC game. then go play something else.

I'm tired of hearing and or reading about this NDA, get over it, it's "CLOSED" beta.

[Rychard Starheart]

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

Duke is the posterchild for bad games.

I was partally understanding where you were coming from till this. To me, that statement proves you dont know jack about gaming. You just want the next new shiney toy to come out without understanding what truely makes games 'good' or 'bad'.

[Rushin Roulette]

Ranek Blackstone, on 24 June 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Guild Wars 2 is still in the closed beta testing, which limits the testers to the NDA. The Beta Weekend Events don't show off anything ANet isn't willing to let the public see, so those events are NDA free.

Actually it isnt as you can see from the screenshot of the Loading splash;



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Therefore the game is now in the open beta phase and the NDA could be lifted. The closed beta phase is over as I found out from a guildy who was invited to it. His NDA was officially lifted as well.

The Open Beta weekends are for fine tuing the finished product and balancing the skills, group dinamics and quests for the general public as well as hopefully finding all the last few bugs which were hidden in the closed beta phases.

The way I see it with MWO is that the developers are still not happy 100% happy with the overall performance of the game just yet. It is a shame that the Founders packages have been released so early without giving the potential customers tome to test them out for themselves, but to be frank. There have been loads of videos and information released before the sales started... as opposed to Guild Wars 2 which will be ready when it is ready (For those who get the refference) .

[Freakiie]

Calem, on 24 June 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Those bashing the OP should be ashamed. That guy is one of us, someone genuinely interested in the game and pondering to buy into it. He just didn't feel he had enough info to do so just yet. It's an entirely valid view that was presented in a calm and reasonable manner.

You disagree, fine, but there's no need to go all ballistic over it.

The reasons he's getting bashed is because he made the 50th topic about this subject today, just phrased slightly different from the last 49. Sorry but if there's one thing that annoys a forum community it's having to answer the same question over and over because people just make a new topic instead of searching for one off the 5000 topics that have been made since the founder packs went on sale.

Furthermore as stated in the other topics he has no point. The founders pack is something with which we show we have our faith in PGI and in return we get goodies when the game comes out. All these people basically boil down to the same thing: "We want all the advantages, but we don't want the risks."

Well sorry to bring it to them, if they don't want to take the risks they won't get the advantages. They'll just have to wait till the game goes live, judge the game for themselves and then invest money if they want to.

Not to mention this in no way is a pre-order like the OP stated in his first post, so his view isn't even correct.

[Fugu]

NDA can stay the way it is. I was just really hoping for something from E3. Can't we have at least one decend video? I mean one without some clueless IGN guy stammering rubbish that's at least more than a couple of minutes long?
It's beta, it's not finished, we know that and we know that nothing is final but it would be nice to have at least something as new material.

There's more to see about Hawken and that's going beta in December!

[oohawkoo]

well i have to say that just cos guildwars nda was released doesnt mean mwo's should =X they have only been under it a few weeks yet and it really is too early i think


but really everyone should calm down a little the op is intiteled to his opinion even if it seems flawed to everyone else o.o personaly i think it should stay as it is for a little longer but who knows the devs may decide they can release some more info

[MrMasakari]

Nah people shouldn't bash the OP for putting across his opinions and concerns. But people need to bare in mind with the whole GW2 vs MWO NDA is that GW2 you have to pay for, MWO you do not. This doesn't necesarily mean that they aren't going to lift NDA with open beta, just don't expect things to be done the same.

[Bagheera]

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

MWo Devs please lower the NDA. I want to preorder your game, I really do; but I have been burned so many times by game devs lies that I just can't do it. I need more data.

Ok. This is a fair request. But bear a couple things in mind:

1. This is an F2P game, there is no Pre-Order. The Founder's pack is a way for BT/MW fans to support a pet project from a developers who are taking a substantial risk.

2. You've been burned. We get it. But understand that part of the reason you have been burned has to do with developers being pushed by the fan-base, marketing departments, and the people writing their checks to simultaneously release as early as possible, while promising everything including the kitchen sink. With that in mind, let's take this to ...

3. There's a posted schedule in place, and while I am fairly certain that there will be more hype as Aug 7th aproaches, don't look for the NDA to be lifted prior to an open beta. Trying to push development with these dozens of threads is just going to result in condition 2. I'm sure none of us want that.

Patience grasshopper. We've been waiting a very long time, a few more weeks is nothing.

[OfficerTaco]

Why not put a big warning saying "The following is an unfinished product and does not represent thefinal product."

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Tandris, on 24 June 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

There is a post in here from people's impressions during E3. You should read it, it is some good information about the game and gameplay.

http://mwomercs.com/...__fromsearch__1

or http://youtu.be/76abFui4lx4
or http://youtu.be/YXZ7HKpaEHc
or http://youtu.be/sWBOIh078aY
or http://youtu.be/eJ0UqfFdcRA
or http://youtu.be/4gEQkyLbCjE
or http://youtu.be/dPoqjslGcO0

lotsa info if you look for it, even with the NDA

[Diomed]

Calem, on 24 June 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Those bashing the OP should be ashamed. That guy is one of us, someone genuinely interested in the game and pondering to buy into it. He just didn't feel he had enough info to do so just yet. It's an entirely valid view that was presented in a calm and reasonable manner.

You disagree, fine, but there's no need to go all ballistic over it.

/saute to you sir!

I do indeed want this game to succeed and I want to play it. I just would like more information before plunking down $60 to $120.

[Brien]

Founder's packs go live Aug. 7 this will still be a closed beta with NDA last I read from the devs. with open beta soon after. Paying for founder's gets into beta 3 guaranteed with the other perks provieded, but game is F2P therefore you can invest for perks from founder's or not it is your choice.

Was happy with elite but damn had to have name in the creds

Almost forgot the great community MWO has and the actual communication from devs this all comes from a combined love of Mechwarrior and Battletech, and nothing is wrong with not liking it enough to invest in a legacy to try and make it better and not dead.

Edited by Brien, 24 June 2012 - 12:58 PM.

[Deathz Jester]

Patience is a virtue, and standing on a soapbox shouting "Hey listen to me" to a company who's objective is to stick to a schedule and put out a product, is a little rude.

they have a schedule, and are probably quite busy trying to make the game great for everyone. Have a little respect for their time & effort put into this game, that they didn't have to make. The slight distrust of a game company is understandable, I have purchased games that have turned out to be complete garbage, and been frustrated with it. Which is why I thoroughly study the game before purchasing/playing it. However this is a F2P game, meaning you dont have to spend a single penny on the game if you do not want to. Feel free to support them with your money, but they aren't sticking their hands in you, or anyone else's wallet. The employees of PGI are working hard to create the perfect battletech experience for players, new and old fans, and casual gamers alike. They're at work, away from their families, and leisurely activities just like anyone who goes to work (if not more than some). You could have a little thought for the people, that are making the game for us.They're not some evil company out to get your money, and hang us out to dry. They are a company making a game for us, and would like people to pay for content that they made to be purchased, and it doesn't have to be, but it would sure help them make the game and stay active.


So please, have a little common sense and understanding, instead of being the typical consumer saying "Gimme gimme gimme!"

[BFalcon]

NotoriousForce, on 24 June 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

Why not put a big warning saying "The following is an unfinished product and does not represent thefinal product."

I doubt the kind of people who'd diss the game because of it being a beta would bother to pay attention to such a notice anyhow...

[IIIuminaughty]

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

There are many of us trying to decide if we should buy the game and if so which package should we preorder.

Game is free homie

[Major Bill Curtis]

The premises of this thread are flawed:

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

There are many of us trying to decide if we should buy the game and if so which package should we preorder.

Who? In nearly 9 hours you've had very little support for the idea: 4 "likes" isn't exactly a tidal wave. You petitioned a public forum and got a few other folks who want to know more before they support a game that's free to play. Let us stand in awe.

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

It is almost impossible to make this decision without data, and sadly, for this game there is too little meaningful data to base that decision on.

This is a very common bit of rhetoric: in your first clause state something that is true, then follow it with an opinion as if it were the necessary and logical conclusion. Here B does not follow A by necessity. You must do better than this if you want to be taken seriously. From this false premise, the OP will make claims concerning the "faith"of others, yet the syllogism has an opinion in it and is therefore invalid.

Do please lecture us on logic and evidence more, OP; regale us with memories of that philosophy class you took in college, so long ago.

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

Yes, we can watch videos and read transcripts of devs saying the same cliche's and catchphrases over and over. We can wade through these forums and read the wild speculation based on 'faith' and 'feelings' which are not even useless. What we need is frank, honest opinions of the game from people who have played it.

There is no "game," since it is in beta, so this claim is specious.

Rhetorically, the approach here is hyperbolic, accentuated by double-marking such: "the same cliche's and catchphrases over and over," and "wild speculation based on 'faith' and 'feelings.'" The facts that are sought are merely the opinions of the testers, not the designers who actually control the end-product, not anyone involved in quality control, not a professional critic: now the random musings of some random 20 year old are "facts."

That's a bit topsy-turvy.

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

There is a major title in beta now that will release at roughly the same time as this game: Guild Wars 2. That game is probably farther from release than this one and yet they have lowered their NDA. And as a result I have preordered that game.

"Probably," "Roughly," and from these guesses more specious logic appears: there is no "preorder" for MW:O; the guessed-at details are irrelevant to the argument, which can be summarized as follows: no NDA = the OP will spend money.

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

MWo Devs please lower the NDA. I want to preorder your game, I really do; but I have been burned so many times by game devs lies that I just can't do it. I need more data.

An impassioned plea, followed by an appeal to compassion, for lo, the OP has had hard luck. The OP and four other people (the "many") have been lied to by other developers (oh my!), and since PGI are developers too, maybe they also lie. The implications are scary.

Let us conjecture from this that the OP has very little actual experience with legal documents or business, despite claims to the contrary. It is a great thing that the OP may be so presumptive as to make demands while withholding money from the publisher, who surely quakes, but it is also a great thing that we may ignore such presumptions, and the gyrations---the poor rhetorical attempts---that follow.

You'll note that I have no fancy badge under my name.

Edited by Major Bill Curtis, 24 June 2012 - 02:39 PM.

[Rychard Starheart]

Major Bill Curtis, on 24 June 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

The premises of this thread are flawed:
***snip***
You'll note that I have no fancy badge under my name.

haha, love this dude!

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Let's not forget that this is basically the same group that told the industry to go screw themselves when they refused to let them make a Mechwarrior game unless it was released on multiple consoles as well as PC, and then Microsoft stepped in.

This is the same company that decided to forge ahead, even when the games industry said that Mechwarrior wasn't a viable franchise these days. And were unwilling to take the risk, PGI took it apon themselves to forge forward and find a way to make this work.


So tell me again how this company doesn't deserve our respect at the very least?

[Zuri Prime]

On a more serious note, more information about this game would be nice. We've already heard that the Cata and Dragon are underpowered but I'm not seeing much backlash. After all, us Battletech fans are a relatively mature and sturdy bunch. Feeding us more info wouldn't be too bad, whether it be mechs, hard points, maps or graphical capabilities.

Feel free to disagree with me on this subject, but be sure to have a solid counter argument as to why most of the player base will rage like Xbox kiddies over a slight shader change on missiles.

Edited by Ghost, 25 June 2012 - 08:48 AM.