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[MrMasakari]

Its a F2P game, quite frankly they can keep the NDA up until the day its released if they want to because noone technically has to pay a penny for the game. This being the case, they might want to keep everything as quiet as possible until they are ready for a full stable release. If you have faith in the Devs, invest in the founder pack and see for yourself shortly. If not look forward to GW2.

There is a tonne of info about the game all over the forums already that the devs themselves have discussed so if thats not enough evidence then mmmk. As stated in the other threads, see the founder pack as an investment into a Legendary franchise thats risen from the ashes. Or don't.

Edited by Artaire, 24 June 2012 - 07:03 AM.

[Team Leader]

While I would appreciate more information as well, its probably better that the NDA stay in place just a little while longer. IMO they should maybe think about dropping it like 2 weeks before open beta, so unconvinced people can have a look and have a chance to donate. But at the OP, this game is free. Don't complain about buying things when you look completely uninformed.

[Thorn Hallis]

You're not purchasing anything, you're funding something.

[Shatter Shot]

I know plenty of you (including myself) were willing to jump on the preorder/founder/whatever deals. I have no problem with blind faith and supporting an IP you love. With that said I really think MOST of you need to back off when others come here asking politely for more information. Popping off rude remarks and basically telling someone to *@#$ off do not fly with me and they should not fly with the rest of the community.

[Coilshot]

Gathering funds myself for a founder pack. They will be available until the early release, aug 7th I believe is the date. I have over a month for this. 3025 with EA, I think they were just trying to pull the players into their little circle. I believe PGI has some BT junkies up there to get this far, specially since they are selling bundle packs. And if I am correct you only get the choice of light (jenner), medium (Hunch), heavy (catapult) or assault (atlas). Its not like you can choose any Mech. So which ever is the class your best suited, choose that one.

[Hexenhammer]

The NDA is a cloak of mystery around the game. Countless people come to the forums in the hope of getting accepted to the beta or to post some new idea, or just voice their hopes and dreams for the game. Its generating anticipation.

It is also cutting down on the griefing and flaming. Piranha makes a change in the game and suddenly the fan base, which isn't playing the game, riots about how bad it was to change the PPC's beam color from green to blue. Or to remove decals from launched missiles because it slowed the game down.

I'm on the Mists of Pandaria Beta.My word was it an endless gripe fest from players that have no idea how a beta works. So keep the NDA up. Its doing far more good than harm.

[Kaboodle]

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

I'm sorry but this position strikes me as extremely naive. With debacles like Anarchy Online, SWG, Battlecruiser, Diablo 3, Star Trek Online, Champions Online

Whoa whoa, rocky launches (Diablo 3, Anarchy Online) Doesn't make them bad or unsuccessful games in the least. Diablo 3 is (arguably) the bestselling PC exclusive title in history, and Anarchy Online is one of the longest running MMOs that hasn't gone fully Free2Play just to survive. Both of those titles are in the "smash hit" category for each company's profile. I understand your reluctance to invest, and it's fine. If you're reluctant...don't. The game will be free2play, you're welcome to invest after you play it, if you think it's worthwhile.

[AdamBaines]

Diomed.....this must be a troll right?  There is nothing to buy to play the game.  If you want have a founders mech then yes, shell out $60 bucks.  Ok your also guaranteed beta access on the 7th.  Big whoop.  Just be patient.  Wait till go-live, pay nothing and have the same in game playing experience as everyone else.  Wan to have some cool paint job to set yourself apart, then shell out a few bucks and go for it.  But you dont have to pay anything......
Friggin troll....fall into their traps all the time :-)

Edited by AdamBaines, 24 June 2012 - 07:20 AM.

[Scabrous]

Why? The whole point of the NDA is to prevent information about the game leaking explicitly because the devs consider it to be in some way unfinished. The NDA will be lifted once they believe that enough bugs have been worked out and balance is good enough, and the game intact enough that people will see the finished product, not a work in progress.

In essence, buying a founders package is a way of funding the project a la kickstarter, not a way of buying a game. This is a free game, once it is released you can install it and play it for years without ever giving the company a dime. There's no purchasing decision to be bade.

[BFalcon]

Team Leader, on 24 June 2012 - 07:05 AM, said:

While I would appreciate more information as well, its probably better that the NDA stay in place just a little while longer. IMO they should maybe think about dropping it like 2 weeks before open beta, so unconvinced people can have a look and have a chance to donate. But at the OP, this game is free. Don't complain about buying things when you look completely uninformed.

Agreed.

I would keep the NDA until a week or two before the Founder program ends... that way those who are still undecided might stump up the cash to help to pay for the hardware they need before going to the open beta.

Once the open beta is underway, I wouldn't be upset if they went to a limited NDA agreement, in that certain features might be added or changed, so for a limited time after they are, that people refrain from broadcasting the details until (say) a week has passed, so they have a time to correct problems - discussion on the forums would be acceptable in the correct subsection.

This would allow them to tweak the game to correct problems that crop up (which should, by this time, be rare) without stopping people getting the word out just how good the game is to prospective gamers.

I'd also expect to see a release-week signing on bonus of something like, say, 5MCr to help pull in the punters (bearing in mind that they need to buy their mechs, so all signups at the end of the week would get it), but we'll see. They don't *need* to do anything, but it would help to jumpstart the game... and remember that, if they do have advertising, that the number of subscribers would help with advertising revenue.

[Stronghammer]

I preordered Guild Wars 2 myself..... But I also bought a Founders Pack, because bloody hell I like them both! I need both my medieval fantasy and giant robot fixes and I'm gonna feed em.

I'd also like more info myself, but I'm going to take the quiet strategy and wait it out. Besides, the Devs are keeping tabs on us too. They'll deliver when it's right, methinks.

[Twisted Power]

You know for all this complaining I LOVE the stand that the Devs have taken that they will not change their policy.

It shows they will not bow to sombody who complains to make extra money.

This allows me to put MORE faith into them that they will not become Pay 2 Win.

They are NOT interested in money on YOUR terms. It is their game their terms, you don't like it PLEASE DON'T SPEND YOUR MONEY HERE. Your money is not all important and they are not going to bend rules or sell out for you. I will be more then happy to spend extra money to keep them alive if they keep this up.

Edited by Twisted Power, 24 June 2012 - 07:29 AM.

[Mal]

Based on what we know so far, the game is still too 'young' for the NDA to drop, people would be making decisions off of builds that aren't final, don't necessarily have all the features implemented...could be trying a new feature in one build, not in another, that kind of thing.

PGI will drop the NDA, when they feel the game is far enough along in the development cycle to do so...have patience and trust them.

[Kreisel]

It's astonishing to me how big a deal the NDA is becoming to people, they are producing product that is still a long way from being finished in a competitive industry. This kinda of thing is normal, it's too be expected, it's not a big deal and most software is worked on and tested under the same constraints of only releasing controlled limited details until they are ready to unveil the big picture. That's just how it works, it's not a tease, it's not something to 'keep us in the dark' it's just... smart, normal business. It's not like they are the only Mech game being produced right now, do they really want to let all the details of their game out their for others to quick plagiarize their ideas before it's finished?

More over, with the way the forums explode with NERDRAAAGE any time a detail about the game is theoretically less than ideal in uniformed perspective of masses who haven't played the game yet, and don't know what the Devs are planing to update or change later, don't realize some features only in to be tested to see if they are good or not and others may only be a stop gap in place until something else gets added later that will make it make sense... I really can't them from not wanting to show us anything we could have more irrational explosive panic attacks about (and subsequently waste the time they could be working on the game itself putting out pointless fires instead)

If your willing to Ragequit the game before it even starts over something as silly as maintaining the Industry Standard of an NDA for CLOSED BETA, I'm will to bet if you got to see closed BETA you wouldn't go 15 minutes without deciding to Ragequit the game over a yet incomplete feature or bug that will be gone by launch. ;p

[Ranek Blackstone]

Rushin Roulette, on 24 June 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

Actually Arenanet lifted the NDA's because the game went from closed betas to open beta. During the Friends & Family as well as the closed invite only Beta Phases the NDA was active. Only after it was possible to prorder (much like the founders packages here) the game, did it become open beta so that the players could actually test and bughunt it themselves. Once This happened Anet decided to lift the NDA status because anyone who pre-ordered was allowed access to all beta events. Keeping a strict NDA with such a large crowd is not possible.

Once MWO changes to the open beta Phase and lets everyone on the servers, I expect the NDA's will be lifted as well.

Guild Wars 2 is still in the closed beta testing, which limits the testers to the NDA. The Beta Weekend Events don't show off anything ANet isn't willing to let the public see, so those events are NDA free.

[Diomed]

FireFoxy, on 24 June 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

I know plenty of you (including myself) were willing to jump on the preorder/founder/whatever deals. I have no problem with blind faith and supporting an IP you love. With that said I really think MOST of you need to back off when others come here asking politely for more information. Popping off rude remarks and basically telling someone to *@#$ off do not fly with me and they should not fly with the rest of the community.

Thank you.

I am not calling anyone stupid, or foolish, or implying that the act of preordering this game is in anyway a prima facie indication that you are wrong.

My point is that more information would be helpful. I have spent months reading, watching and listening to data about this game and I do not think it is enough. I want more data BECAUSE I am interested in this game. MWo has a lot of potential and I too hope that it is a good game.

Sadly, my 20 years of experience in playing and beta testing PC games has taught me to be skeptical.

[Diomed]

Twisted Power, on 24 June 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

You know for all this complaining I LOVE the stand that the Devs have taken that they will not change their policy.

It shows they will not bow to sombody who complains to make extra money.

This allows me to put MORE faith into them that they will not become Pay 2 Win.

They are NOT interested in money on YOUR terms. It is their game their terms, you don't like it PLEASE DON'T SPEND YOUR MONEY HERE. Your money is not all important and they are not going to bend rules or sell out for you. I will be more then happy to spend extra money to keep them alive if they keep this up.

Does the sand keep your ears warm? It must be very comforting to let others do your thinking for you. I am glad you don't let facts, data, evidence and logic get in the way of your 'feeling' the game to be good. Close your eyes, click your heels together and wish it well...yeah that always works.

Until gamers start to think and make informed, discriminating choices our games will continue to be buggy, pay 2 win, rushed titles with no depth. Thanks.

[RG Notch]

Diomed, on 24 June 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

Thank you.

I am not calling anyone stupid, or foolish, or implying that the act of preordering this game is in anyway a prima facie indication that you are wrong.

My point is that more information would be helpful. I have spent months reading, watching and listening to data about this game and I do not think it is enough. I want more data BECAUSE I am interested in this game. MWo has a lot of potential and I too hope that it is a good game.

Sadly, my 20 years of experience in playing and beta testing PC games has taught me to be skeptical.

Yet your 20 years of experience hasn't taught you the value of an NDA I see. No offense, but if there isn't enough info for you to make a decision, then don't. Wait it out and see, but don't expect them to drop the NDA in order to possibly get your money now and get bad word of mouth off of an early beta build. My 20+ years has taught me that the NDA is important, look how much people speculate and doom say with nothing, give them a potentially buggy early beta test and well that's why you don't.

[Freakiie]

FireFoxy, on 24 June 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

I know plenty of you (including myself) were willing to jump on the preorder/founder/whatever deals. I have no problem with blind faith and supporting an IP you love. With that said I really think MOST of you need to back off when others come here asking politely for more information. Popping off rude remarks and basically telling someone to *@#$ off do not fly with me and they should not fly with the rest of the community.

The thing is, a topic like this pops up on an hourly basis pretty much and it's starting to get pretty annoying. The founder packs are incredibly simple. You put your faith in PGI and in return once the game goes live they give you goodies. If you don't want to put your faith into PGI simply DON'T. People however keep going: QQ I want all founder goodies, but don't want to take the risk I might not like the game!"

Well that's not how it works and that has been stated over and over, yet we're still getting topics about this every hour. Are the founders taking a risk with buying the packs? Of course we are. That's part of life, we can't negate every risk and I have faith that I'll spend enough time on MW:O that it was worth spending 60$ on my founder pack. So if you don't want to buy a pack before you get more info simply don't. Wait for the game to go into OB and make a decision then. Don't complain at that point though that the founder packs aren't available anymore and you got to pay more to get the same benefits.

[Death Mallet]

What's the problem?

Someday the game will be released, and you can play it for free and decide whether or not you want to spend any money on it.

If you want to play starting Aug 7. . . pay your money to help fund development. It's really not a difficult decision.