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[Sprouticus]

Belorion, on 14 October 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

While I am all about people getting the game modes they like, I just don't think this is going to be a viable game mode. There won't be enough support to have it as a separate queue and it will never work as a forced queue...

...stock mode might just have to sit this one out.



BT had mech customization in it from the beginning. It was never not going to happen in the video games.

Oh I agree. And I love it. I have loved it since MW2 came out. I played MW1 as well and the stock load outs has the exact same problems in 1989 they do today. Some mechs were simply better than others.

[General Taskeen]

Many of the long time fans of Stock Mode from MW3, MW4, or the olden days of MPBT3025 have been asking for Stock 3025 and Stock 3050 since day one. Mainly we expected it to be in day one, since it was in "day 1" when those old Mech games were released - it was just a given and naturally a feature. Many of the thousands in the US, Germany, Russia, etc. that are fans of hardcore stock mode have dwindled in numbers and have quit playing unfortunately since no such mode materialized.

Also someone above said "Stock has never really been an option since" is a bold faced lie.

MPBT3025 - stock only, came after MW2
Additionally "stock" gaming was an agreed upon, biddable rule in MW2 NetMech (but there was no server option)
and MW3 and MW4 had configurable server options for stock, and they were very popular. NBT even created a mod specifically for Stock games with over 300 stock variants.

Stock Mode myths:
"More limited selection" - Proven a myth in tests of Stock private matches, in fact most Mechs that are rarely seen are used in Stock matches that do very well and often are the last ones standing (Locusts, DRG-1N's, CTF-4X, Raven-4X, Every Hunchback ever, Battlemasters, Centurions, Trebuchets, JM6-S, etc.)
"No one ever did that" - Big myth, it has always been popular and became an actual option in MW games
"But customization happened in BT." - customization was nothing like it is seen in MWO, there were restrictive rules that every player had to agree upon on both teams, OR they could simply choose the base rule (and easiest), which was randomly rolling from the "Random Assignment Tables" in which your lance was assigned unconfigurable Stock Mechs
"But Stock mechs have bad loadouts." - And so does the enemy you are facing, equal parity in equipment, each Mech is configured the way it was imagined and balanced in BT (stocks are balanced against stock), making the game more "lore" friendly

Edited by General Taskeen, 14 October 2014 - 07:44 AM.

[Nehkrosis]

+10 PGIPLS

[PappySmurf]

Havoc hate to tell you this but your idea is not new me and my brother and many others have asked our grognard devs for 3 frigging years for a trial vs trial stock mode and never once have they responded.

So good luck

[Rhaythe]

We may want it as a player group. Heck, there might... *might*... be enough of us to fuel a public queue. But the end result is that a stock gamemode would likely hamper PGI's free-to-play model immensely. This game's grind depends upon its player base tweaking and modifying their builds using c-bills (free currency). If that vanished, and players only spent money to purchase new mechs, then a big chunk of PGI's business model would vanish as people would have no reason to purchase MC or premium time.

[Sybreed]

I'm on board, I said on the SC forums that a stock queue would make me come back to the game. But, for stock matches to "work", PGI needs to fix several things:

- Pinpoint damage
- Heat management
- Gauss Charge is a detriment to stock mechs. Try using a gauss under 300m while managing your medium lasers and LRMs and SRMs.. yeah, it's gonna suck.
- Ghost heat kind of needs to go as well.... makes no sense for the Awesome 8Q to suffer from Ghost heat. Again, I think the weapons needs a rework cause a 30 pinpoint sniper is gonna pwn everything (and from my limited experience from stock mech mondays, 8Q Awesomes rock)

Yeahhhh... the game kind of needs a whole rework... I wonder if they have the balls to admit it.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bront, on 14 October 2014 - 04:49 AM, said:

By stock mode, most folks actually want a 3025 mode. In many stock leagues, mechs with any lostech (or clans) are forbidden.

For example, stock build, the Stalker 5M is the best stalker hands down, simply because it has DHS. The Raven-3L is the best light because it comes with an ECM. Hero mechs that come upgraded are awe inspiring, and the Shadowhawk 5M may be the best stock medium in the game.

Not a big fan as anything other than a flag you can throw in private matches. Don't make me play that way, and there's not enough demand to make it it's own queue.

That said, make it a flag in private matches (Stock and 3025 Tech). I'm all for that.

A very good distinction Bront.

[PappySmurf]

Sybreed said (Yeahhhh... the game kind of needs a whole rework... I wonder if they have the balls to admit it. )

What would really blow players minds is back in closed beta PGI had MWO balanced good for a few months and playing stock was very fun no ELO no server AI just you your mech and your skill in battles. But they started to change MWO into what it is now because the small premade group population was crybabying the worst about how hard it was to kill the mechs it was back when the double armor really worked and on a stock mech you would run out of ammo and had to relies on your lasers to finish off a opponent.

Now its just who has more firepower or DPS and the mech armor seems like paper so under the conditions we have now trial mechs last like 30 seconds per battle unless you hide and wait for a good shot and not get focus fired upon. To me there are so many core things wrong with MWO it just sucks compared to the older PC MechWarrior games.I don't even think MWO belongs in the same category as the older PC MechWarrior games and should have been called GWO=GrindWarriorOnline.

Edited by PappySmurf, 14 October 2014 - 08:14 AM.

[Sybreed]

PappySmurf, on 14 October 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

Sybreed said (Yeahhhh... the game kind of needs a whole rework... I wonder if they have the balls to admit it. )

What would really blow players minds is back in closed beta PGI had MWO balanced good for a few months and playing stock was very fun no ELO no server AI just you your mech and your skill in battles. But they started to change MWO into what it is now because the small premade group population was crybabying the worst about how hard it was to kill the mechs it was back when the double armor really worked and on a stock mech you would run out of ammo and had to relies on your lasers to finish off a opponent.

Now its just who has more firepower or DPS and the mech armor seems like paper so under the conditions we have now trial mechs last like 30 seconds per battle unless you hide and wait for a good shot and not get focus fired upon. To me there are so many core things wrong with MWO it just sucks compared to the older PC MechWarrior games.I don't even think MWO belongs in the same category as the older PC MechWarrior games and should have been called GWO=GrindWarriorOnline.

my stock CN9-A was kicking a lot of asses back in early CB. Even with R&R, it was doing better than most tryhards with min-maxed mechs. I think all weapons need some sort of damage spreading mechanic to really kill pinpoint damage, with the exception of the gauss rifle (which only needs a long 10 seconds cooldown). Even PPCs could use the Clan treatment and have some damage spread around.... isn't that how they worked in MW2? Although in that game... PPCs were the equivalent of the BFG in doom and would kill anything in sight.

My whole inspiration for this idea is the intro video from MW4, just look how the mechs fight at the end. A lot of pew pew going around from both lasers and autocannons and it looks so damn cool.

[Levon K]

MWO right now is just a boring arcade shooter. Might as well play Asteroids or Pac Man.

However, bring in some sort of Stock Mode, preferably as an element of CW, and things might start getting interesting.

[Critical Rocket]

Stock would be a fun mode for Battletech purists who are sick of seeing classic 'mechs being turned into frankenmechs.

[PappySmurf]

Sybreed you right and many don't remember how fun MWO was for a few months back in closed beta. I will probbily get banned like my brother KingCobra for doing this but if you want to just have some good old MechWarrior fun here is how.


The first link is to the MechWarrior4 Mercenaries Demo. [color="#b27204"]http://www.fileplane...ercenaries-Demo[/color]

The second link is to download the GameRanger lobby system. [color="#b27204"]www.gameranger.com[/color]

The first step is to download and setup the demo just follow the instructions be sure to setup the video sound and joystick if you have one and accept the Eula. Once the game has started up to the menu make a pilot name and unit choice then your all ready.

The second step is install GameRanger follow the instructions once installed go to where it says (all games) hit the tab scroll down to new group once selected make a new group called MechWarrior go down the list of games and pick all MechWarrior games for your group add them in.

Now you will see all the MechWarrior games just on your GameRanger UI.You can host or play games with anyone that has the Mecharrior4 Mercenaries Demo installed or talk to other MechWarrior4 Mercenaries players in other rooms.

If you have any questions about installation please post on this topic.

If you wondering why im trying to get players to install the Mecharrior4 Demo and play on GameRanger is because I want MWO players to understand and experience PC MechWarrior and the old lobby systems so we can approach Russ-Brian & PGI on the idea of building a new
Live-Chat-Lobby Launcher System for MWO to replace the Private Group MM system

You can also build and save multiple mech configurations in the mechlab and see how its UI design worked and play them in games.

P.S Russ-Brian & PGI staff I would like to ask you to Please join in by downloading and playing a few games if you have never experienced the PC MechWarrior games or a live lobby system.


This was a topic my brother put up to let players test a live lobby system

Edited by PappySmurf, 14 October 2014 - 08:28 AM.

[HAV0C]

I'll be clear here: I would love to see a private league started where we can do this kind of thing, a-la the NBT or BTU leagues of MW3 and MW4 era.

I'd also like to see the tools in place (even if just in private matches) where the person hosting the match could check a box for stock only 'mechs. As other have said, whatever 'mech you have selected remains selected, but the loadout defaults to the original weapons/equipment loadout. The 'mechs paint/camo and modules remain the same, as do all the 'mechs skill tree unlocks as well.

That woud facilitate people such as myself and those here who also find stock play fun and challenging being able to form our own ladder and eventually planetary leagues for stock 'mech combat drops. That encourages people to keep buying premium time to continue to support the game for hosting private matches, and accomplishes the game style we would all enjoy.

I for one think the idea has merit, and obviously I'm not alone in that thought process as this thread denotes.

Anyone else have any thoughts or ideas to add?

Thanks for reading. I'll see y'all dirtside soon enough.

<S>

-Colonel Andrew "Havoc" Davis
Death's Hand Brigade Mercenaries

[Burktross]

This would only further divide the matchmaking system for a mere gameplay "mutation." (Not to mention, stock mechs suck ass due to changed TT rules. Ammo and heat and the like)

I believe, at this point in time, we shouldn't have it, but it'd certainly be interesting to see when we have a larger playerbase.

[AlmightyAeng]

The point on Clan vs. IS in a stock mode is valid.

Motion to change thread to 'Game Mode Type: 3025'

[HAV0C]

Motion respectfully denied, as I do enjoy playing Stock 3025 'mechs for certain, but I personally prefer the Stock option to be open to any era we have 'mechs in, from 2750 to 3050+ and the invasion.

Some of my most memorable matches in Mechwarrior (period) were stock matches, I.S. vs. Clan drops back in BattleTech Universe (BTU) Planetary League.

My point is, there is more to stock than just playing 3025. Make the 'newer' variants with more losttech (DHS, Endo Steel, Ferro Fibrous, and more advanced weaponry) in whatever league format harder and more expensive to produce/procure. Makes those 'mechs far more valuable, as well.

Just my opinion on that. <S>

-Colonel Andrew "Havoc" Davis
Death's Hand Brigade Mercenaries

[CyclonerM]

I would love to see it if the matchmaker can actually automatically load the stock config for the selected variant. It would be annoying to downgrade it every single time..

Besides, Clan 'Mechs might be balanced by heavy tonnage reductions. Put tonnage limits, something like 240 for IS and 200 for Clan (or even less) if you are going to do Clan vs IS and enjoy

[BarHaid]

HAV0C, on 14 October 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

Motion respectfully denied, as I do enjoy playing Stock 3025 'mechs for certain, but I personally prefer the Stock option to be open to any era we have 'mechs in, from 2750 to 3050+ and the invasion.

My point is, there is more to stock than just playing 3025. Make the 'newer' variants with more losttech (DHS, Endo Steel, Ferro Fibrous, and more advanced weaponry) in whatever league format harder and more expensive to produce/procure. Makes those 'mechs far more valuable, as well.

And right here is where bringing back R & R would come into play nicely. Stock mechs are cheaper to run, and net you more C-bills per game.

Edited by BarHaid, 14 October 2014 - 02:15 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

I am sure the SMM crowd would love this as an optional flag in their private lobby matches. By having it as a UI option, it might help grow that community a little bit since right now it struggles with word of mouth via forums mostly.

[BarHaid]

MoonUnitBeta, on 13 October 2014 - 10:50 PM, said:

Well the idea is that all mechs would be stock, so everyone has to know how to manage heat. I think one of the draws is that you do have sucky heat with stock mechs. I'm not sure if clan stock vs IS stock is all that fair, but it would be fun to play.

Fair? Oh no, not at all. If you haven't done so, go watch the Clan vs IS "Stock Mech Monday" videos on the YouTube. A veritable slaughter! Of course, that is what it should be; The IS is supposed to be at a disadvantage in canon. It makes winning all that more enjoyable, though.