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[Quicksilver Aberration]

Prezimonto, on 17 October 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Actually, I think the biggest failing of this method is that it doesn't address WHY tier 1 mechs are just better, it leaves then with, often, many more viable configurations, and in the long run they'll mostly, likely, not be displaced. I could be wrong though, I'll wait until there's data before jumping on the whine train this place loves to generate.

I think Clan mechs with negative omni-pod quirks will be better balanced in the long run.

This is my problem with weapon specific quirks vs sized hardpoints.

As for mech geometry and such, I like the internal and armor boost quirks (specifically the Hunch quirks, holy crap) as well as the maneuverability quirks, my issue is strictly with the weapon specific quirks.

[Mothykins]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 October 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Decaf.

Right or wrong, getting way too heated and invested in this man. Tweet Russ and relax.

I'm just mildly choked that Two of the Mechs I've actually paid for are pretty much getting F***ed. The 1V(P), by giving it a buff to a weapon that takes up 1/4 of the Mechs total Size and leaves it with 1.5 Tons when Armour and engine are maxed (Fear my two machineguns and 1000 Rounds. I:)

And the Jester, which now is getting nothing but LL Buffs becasue "OMG, IT HAS TWO JJs!" Despite it being gimped in maneuverability to compensate.

No. F*** that. I paid money for them, you can f***ing Bet i'm going to be pissed. I didn't pay for a midget ERLL Sniper or a LL boating piece of CRAP. I:

[DocBach]

When's Russ posting the Banshee quirks?

[Kensaisama]

Mercules, on 17 October 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

Well, in some cases you can, if you can get the transmission to line up. You will still have other issues. My friend had a Chevy Monza, the model that used a small V8. He crammed a 305 in there (I believe that was it) which was bigger and had a LOT more power. He would race it in the 1/4 mile and I can tell you that oversized engine would make that little car get up and go.

What he didn't ever tell people, however, was that he had to either flatbed the car to the track or pull over and turn it off for a while every 3-4 miles or it would overheat. You see, the radiator for that car was TINY and the front didn't allow for mounting a larger one, especially with the area all crammed full of engine. So he was running the stock radiator with that oversized engine with predictable results.

Double heatsinks would have solved his heat issues

[Belorion]

Mercules, on 17 October 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/

No follow your own advice and read.

All of the negative quirks are being removed...

[Rhaegor]

I am excited for the new quirks. Don't listen to the naysayers.

[Mercules]

Cavale, on 17 October 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

I'm just mildly choked that Two of the Mechs I've actually paid for are pretty much getting F***ed. The 1V(P), by giving it a buff to a weapon that takes up 1/4 of the Mechs total Size and leaves it with 1.5 Tons when Armour and engine are maxed (Fear my two machineguns and 1000 Rounds. I:)

And the Jester, which now is getting nothing but LL Buffs becasue "OMG, IT HAS TWO JJs!" Despite it being gimped in maneuverability to compensate.

No. F*** that. I paid money for them, you can f***ing Bet i'm going to be pissed. I didn't pay for a midget ERLL Sniper or a LL boating piece of CRAP. I:

"Would you like some free cake to go with your meal?"
"NO I DON'T LIKE CAKE! I WANT PUDDING!"

[Rhaegor]

Cavale, on 17 October 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

I'm just mildly choked that Two of the Mechs I've actually paid for are pretty much getting F***ed. The 1V(P), by giving it a buff to a weapon that takes up 1/4 of the Mechs total Size and leaves it with 1.5 Tons when Armour and engine are maxed (Fear my two machineguns and 1000 Rounds. I:)

And the Jester, which now is getting nothing but LL Buffs becasue "OMG, IT HAS TWO JJs!" Despite it being gimped in maneuverability to compensate.

No. F*** that. I paid money for them, you can f***ing Bet i'm going to be pissed. I didn't pay for a midget ERLL Sniper or a LL boating piece of CRAP. I:

Build it however you would like.

[1453 R]

Right.

Got it.

Understood.

I'm a s*** player in a bunch of s*** 'Mechs with a s*** opinion who should get his s***ty s*** self out of here and uninstall.

Why do I ever bother to try and hold a discussion in this slimepit again?

[Kensaisama]

Rhaegor, on 17 October 2014 - 01:14 PM, said:

I am excited for the new quirks. Don't listen to the naysayers.

I too am excited for the new quirk system, because I have all the hunchbacks and they are all stock weapon loadouts

[Bishop Steiner]

Cavale, on 17 October 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

I'm just mildly choked that Two of the Mechs I've actually paid for are pretty much getting F***ed. The 1V(P), by giving it a buff to a weapon that takes up 1/4 of the Mechs total Size and leaves it with 1.5 Tons when Armour and engine are maxed (Fear my two machineguns and 1000 Rounds. I:)

And the Jester, which now is getting nothing but LL Buffs becasue "OMG, IT HAS TWO JJs!" Despite it being gimped in maneuverability to compensate.

No. F*** that. I paid money for them, you can f***ing Bet i'm going to be pissed. I didn't pay for a midget ERLL Sniper or a LL boating piece of CRAP. I:

And what pray tell would you have done to the 1V?

Buff the Medium Laser to LL Specs in it, and the MGs 200% more effective? Because trying to run it with "stockish" weapons is pretty much death. And the vast majority of semi-effective builds for it run an ER LLaser. So yes, it doesn't fit YOUR perfect design. Ever think that YOUR preferred buffs might not fit with the desires of a ton of other players who paid IRL money for them?

Gosh golly, I bought Phoenix package, and while I was surprised when they announced the LL buff for a Locust, I can't say I cried. Since I run an ER Large on mine. So is your entitlement issues more important than mine, or maybe, just maybe is PGI trying to find the buffs that benefit the MOST people, while realizing that it is impòssible to make 100% of people happy?

I'm sorry your 2 pet mechs are not coming out exactly how you like them. But I also am sorry I used to respect your posts a lot more before all this constant Forum Rage F-bomb dropping entitlement nonsense started.

Kensaisama, on 17 October 2014 - 01:12 PM, said:

Double heatsinks would have solved his heat issues

Only 1.4 capacity DHS were available to go outside his new engine though.

He needed at least a 350 to get all the internal 2.0 ones.

[Mercules]

1453 R, on 17 October 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

Right.

Got it.

Understood.

I'm a s*** player in a bunch of s*** 'Mechs with a s*** opinion who should get his s***ty s*** self out of here and uninstall.

Why do I ever bother to try and hold a discussion in this slimepit again?

You get what you put out into the world, seriously.

We are trying to have a rational discussion with you but you just want to harp on YOUR disappointment with PGI giving you a better mech because it wasn't exactly what you specifically wanted. Russ said they are removing negative quirks like movement quirks. Still not good enough because ALL of the weapons you want to mount, not just a couple, won't be getting massive boosts... on your tier three mech... that will be losing the negative movement penalties... that you already play without those boosts.

[Bishop Steiner]

1453 R, on 17 October 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

Right.

Got it.

Understood.

I'm a s*** player in a bunch of s*** 'Mechs with a s*** opinion who should get his s***ty s*** self out of here and uninstall.

Why do I ever bother to try and hold a discussion in this slimepit again?

Seems like may too many people are getting too personal and emotional in this. If forumwarrior arguments are upsetting you to the point of pulling the "uninstall" card, might be time to go do something else for a bit, anyhow.

[Kensaisama]

1453 R, on 17 October 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

Right.

Got it.

Understood.

I'm a s*** player in a bunch of s*** 'Mechs with a s*** opinion who should get his s***ty s*** self out of here and uninstall.

Why do I ever bother to try and hold a discussion in this slimepit again?

Arguing from a passionate standpoint can make you blind to everything else. Take a step back and reevaluate what has been said, you might just have an epiphany

[Khobai]

Mercules, on 17 October 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Shouldn't his come with a Grumpy Cat picture? I feel gipped.

[Mothykins]

Mercules, on 17 October 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

"Would you like some free cake to go with your meal?"
"NO I DON'T LIKE CAKE! I WANT PUDDING!"

Please ram that cake right up your condescending, high horsed ass.

Smurfy is not MWO. It is not the definitive source for what is considered Quirks. It is not in charge of saying what is a quirk or not.

When I bought the Locust, I expected a Fast, Medium Laser, Machine gun running light mech. That is what I have paid for. That is What I bought. that is the stock loadout. Now, instead of helping that, The buffs are for an ERLL that eats up the mechs weight and slots and never was meant to be on the mech. It is being buffed for something entirely unrelated to what I bought it for, entirely unrelated to what its stock build is, and entirely unrelated to what it was advertised as. Meanwhile, the Hunchback is getting buffs to it's stock F***ing build? What the F*** is that?

The Jester, It's more mild irritation, Becasue it's most likely getting passed over, will retain the gimped torso yaw, and is getting Buffs to just the Large laser. I can live with that, but it's annoying. I expected more. It's more the straw that broke the camels back here.

[Mercules]

Cavale, on 17 October 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Please ram that cake right up your condescending, high horsed ass.

Look PGI is making your mechs more viable. You are taking them helping you as an insult. GG

[1453 R]

Mercules, on 17 October 2014 - 01:21 PM, said:

You get what you put out into the world, seriously.

We are trying to have a rational discussion with you but you just want to harp on YOUR disappointment with PGI giving you a better mech because it wasn't exactly what you specifically wanted. Russ said they are removing negative quirks like movement quirks. Still not good enough because ALL of the weapons you want to mount, not just a couple, won't be getting massive boosts... on your tier three mech... that will be losing the negative movement penalties... that you already play without those boosts.

I ain't getting crap, dood. Any of the 'Mechs depicted thus far that I actually own either don't gain any benefits to anything I do with them, or what I do with them only gains benefit from the smallest tertiary quirks. Also I think you've got me and Cavale confused. I do have a Jester, and I'd like to see its hardwired mobility penalties removed as well, but I haven't brought it up yet.

Bishop Steiner, on 17 October 2014 - 01:21 PM, said:

Seems like may too many people are getting too personal and emotional in this. If forumwarrior arguments are upsetting you to the point of pulling the "uninstall" card, might be time to go do something else for a bit, anyhow.

It's just so incredibly draining to see a bunch of people so incredibly fastened onto the whole general "Well I'm soooorrryyyy you don't like the flavor of your FREE CAKE!" argument to see that mayhaps offering a free cake to some people and jack-monkey nada to other people, as opposed to a free cupcake to everybody and an additional cupcake to some people, as was Piranha's original stated plan, has caught folks off-guard and gotten them dismayed.

Watching everybody else eat their free cake we can't have any of is pretty lame, man. Pretty lame indeed.

[Spades Kincaid]

Without all the vitriol, I am going to agree that removing a quirk because a mech has JJ or ECM doesn't seem valid.

All mechs were already Tiered for their overall benefits or value compared to others. Do you honestly believe JJ and ECM weren't part of how they got ranked where they were?

Is the RVN-3L a three Tier higher mech than the RVN-2X if it doesn't have ECM? For what, a 10kph top speed advantage?

Pretty sure ECM is a large part of it being a Tier 2 mech. So why would it need to also have a quirk removed?

Not saying the RVN-3L is going to suffer in some terrible way for having 1 quirk instead of 2. It's just a very easy example. JJ and ECM are already factors in how mechs got ranked where they were. I don't understand why it would then be necessary to basically 'double count' those features against them.

[Glythe]

The JJ/ECM bit is a bit extreme. So you're telling me a C4 only gets 3 buffs because it's a lame duck t4 with JJ? Oh right that makes SO much sense.

Mercules, on 17 October 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

Look PGI is making your mechs more viable. You are taking them helping you as an insult.

More viable is not the same as equal or competitive with clan mechs. Therein lies the insult: "have this little pat on the back and you'll be good to go."

"I told him these quirks would put him in line with clan mechs!"

-And then there was much loling

Edited by Glythe, 17 October 2014 - 01:40 PM.