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[Mr Beefy]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:38 PM, said:

I could be doing any number of things rather than being here. Its the physical illness part keeping me here. Im just blown away at you guys suckage, whining, and entitlement.

Youre why the world is headed towards a cess pit. Not just a whiney mechwarrior who wants MOAR CBILLs. Youre also problem out there in the real world too.

This is just a byproduct of a world that rewards being bad, because you showed up.

That is your version.... I have my own version, and a bit more in line with reality. I am a self starter, I have built my own home debt free, land is paid for. I grow my own food food, self reliant, very hard worker..... you seem more like the type that exploits and goes for the free ride then any other that has posted a reply here. Not trying to be rude, but we have enough exploiters in this world, and it is a big reason things are the way they are now.

Edited by Mr Beefy, 27 October 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[Astrocanis]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

Other than in tournaments. Its definitely down.

Now the way to get paid for brawling is to, Kill Blow, Most Damage, Brawling, Solo skill + 8-10 flanking shots from "protection", finished off with an Alpha. 32-40k per kill that way.

Its actually advantageous to teamkill for -10k, if they are damaging your target, or running off without sticking with the lance.

When I play meds, ill splat you if you run off. Youre costing me cbills by doing that. Stick with me or die. Im really nice and accomodating and ill cover you, so long as you play remotely in the interest of me and the team.

If not. -10k isnt an incentive not to blast you for being a ****.




Nope just all of you but Vassago. Him, I have a huge amount of respect for.

I'm sorry I haven't garnered any. On the other hand, I don't, at this point, really care if I do. I have tried to be reasonable and, in fact, help you make your case. You respond as if I've been, the entire time, an enemy.

So be it. Perhaps I am. If we are to engage in word battles, you need more practice.

[Mothykins]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

So around 70 then minus the Cutefoxes? Sounds legit.

Actually, i mucked that up. it's both Clanners, whoop.

just IS is 53,423,090

Holy F, Clans are expensive. Six Mechs are almost the cost of twenty three mechs.

uuuuh....

[KraftySOT]

Mr Beefy, on 27 October 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

That is your version.... I have my own version, and a bit more in line with reality. I am a self starter, I have built my own home debt free, land is paid for. I grow my own food food, self reliant, very hard worker..... you seem more like the type that exploits and goes for the free ride then any other that has posted a reply here. Not trying to be rude, but we have enough exploiters in this world, and it is a big reason things are the way they are now.

You call it exploitation, I call it capitalization.

Guess I can start calling you Mr Trotsky.

Cavale, on 27 October 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

Actually, i mucked that up. it's both Clanners, whoop.

just IS is 53,423,090

Holy F, Clans are expensive. Six Mechs are almost the cost of twenty three mechs.

uuuuh....

HE'S GOT IT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

Clans are for paying customers.

And 53 mill is cheaper than even I thought. Dayum they are expensive.

And are they really that much more powerful? Nope.

Youll see no argument from me about the Pay nature of Clans.

At least theyre fairly balanced. Though thats kind of annoying to as a TT player. Totally different discussion tho,

[Mr Beefy]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

You call it exploitation, I call it capitalization.

Guess I can start calling you Mr Trotsky.




HE'S GOT IT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

Clans are for paying customers.

And 53 mill is cheaper than even I thought. Dayum they are expensive.

Call it want you want... you have lost any hope of having any credit in this conversation about 30 pages back.

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

You call it exploitation, I call it capitalization.

Guess I can start calling you Mr Trotsky.




HE'S GOT IT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

Clans are for paying customers.

And 53 mill is cheaper than even I thought. Dayum they are expensive.

And are they really that much more powerful? Nope.

Youll see no argument from me about the Pay nature of Clans.

At least theyre fairly balanced. Though thats kind of annoying to as a TT player. Totally different discussion tho,

And given your track record on taking us off topic in this discussion, I am sure you are dying to derail this discussion even more than you already have.

[KraftySOT]

Nope.

Threads about one thing. Cbill payouts.

Theres a few things you can do to maximize your profits, but we've gone over that. We've even touched on why your philosophy in the game is flawed.

[Kodyn]

We're all whining babies that you have no respect for, even though half of us don't even need the CBills and are fine with the system personally, and only have the interest of the game overall in mind?

Glad to know I wasted my thought-out posts and time.

Bear in mind, I have dropped in matches with you Krafty, I know how you play, and I'm choosing to not call you out publicly on some of your BS(mainly the fact that you seem to think you always play things the right way, and I may know otherwise).

Been trying to keep this respectful and mature, yet you don't seem to respect that virtue in others. We've had other debates that turned out ok, bring a little of that on into this thread, will ya?

[Mr Beefy]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

Nope.

And there you have it, KraftySOT has said, "NOPE." The final piece to the puzzle that now has provided us with a informed discussion with valid counter points to both sides of the argument.

We can let the Dev's figure this one out now, back to the painful grind!

[Phromethius]

Krafty, just to put a little perspective here. I play often in your bracket. I see your name frequently. This means one of two things. Either you carry members of my ELO or I am of similar ELO to you. (note that this is the only measure of skill that is quantifiable in this game). The first one is not likely since the frequency is high enough to recognize your name.

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But the impression is you guys are making 20-50k a match, and 100k in wins.

And just frankly that means youre bad at the game and need some help. You need a wing man. Not a cbill increase.

This is very close to my typical earnings. There is something not quite right with the system as first implemented. Not a major thing but a very subtle thing. Many people casuals like myself are noticing this. I only drop 3-8 drops every other day or so but my time and effort in the match is feeling less compensated than before. My time and effort are the constants here. And I was playing my "role" (the flanking scouting stay with group etc ) long before they gave me money to do so.

Your learn to play comments are not valid here. In my oppinion of course.

[KraftySOT]

And seriously any of you can friend me, ill drop with you. We can get on NGNG TS, we can sync drop, we can group queue. I dont care.

Ill have a blast with any of you ingame. Im not mad at you, im not degrading you. If you feel degraded I apologize.

I want you to be spacerich. Not a spacewhiner.

Come with me. This farming adventure is fun times. TS helps. We can talk about tampons and curling irons or whatever you ladies are into.

[kosmos1214]

ok as a guy who got sick of reading this stupid fast moveing thread ill say my piece here

iv not seen my income go up or down it seems to be holding about the same now iv bean playing about a year so i do know what im doing but what i do see is that if i where a new player how i would have a hard time earning cbills but i dont think the buff needs to be huge and what some people have sayed about how the ceiling is higher seems to be true in some of my matches sense the patch iv seen more cbills in 1 match then i would have dreamed about before the patch but iv seen the floor drop so it seems to even out but as a new player i remember how my income was closer to the floor then the top end of what could be earned so i think we do need a small income buff to killassists say 5000/5500 and to 1 or 2 other things that a new player are more likely to get as the floor is a little to low for a new player as a whole it seems to be an improvement

as to exp my exp earnings have gone up probably 20 to 30 % as a whole but im having a hard time telling if the exp raise is do to the rewords change or the fact iv ben geting more kills

[KraftySOT]

Phromethius, on 27 October 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

Krafty, just to put a little perspective here. I play often in your bracket. I see your name frequently. This means one of two things. Either you carry members of my ELO or I am of similar ELO to you. (note that this is the only measure of skill that is quantifiable in this game). The first one is not likely since the frequency is high enough to recognize your name.



This is very close to my typical earnings. There is something not quite right with the system as first implemented. Not a major thing but a very subtle thing. Many people casuals like myself are noticing this. I only drop 3-8 drops every other day or so but my time and effort in the match is feeling less compensated than before. My time and effort are the constants here. And I was playing my "role" (the flanking scouting stay with group etc ) long before they gave me money to do so.

Your learn to play comments are not valid here. In my oppinion of course.

Yeah and in those SAME MATCHES im with you in, im getting spacerich most of the time, while youre spacepoor.

Next time you see me. Say something. Ill stick with you. Ill cover you. We'll go flank. Ill tag for yah. Let me know man, im there for you.

[Astrocanis]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

Yeah and in those SAME MATCHES im with you in, im getting spacerich most of the time, while youre spacepoor.

Next time you see me. Say something. Ill stick with you. Ill cover you. We'll go flank. Ill tag for yah. Let me know man, im there for you.

Better. Much better.

[Mr Beefy]

Kodyn, on 27 October 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

We're all whining babies that you have no respect for, even though half of us don't even need the CBills and are fine with the system personally, and only have the interest of the game overall in mind?

Glad to know I wasted my thought-out posts and time.

Bear in mind, I have dropped in matches with you Krafty, I know how you play, and I'm choosing to not call you out publicly on some of your BS(mainly the fact that you seem to think you always play things the right way, and I may know otherwise).

Been trying to keep this respectful and mature, yet you don't seem to respect that virtue in others. We've had other debates that turned out ok, bring a little of that on into this thread, will ya?

I could go back through months of fraps to see if I have dropped with him, I really don't remember every seeing him or him standing out in a match, friend or foe.... but for me at least, I can't speak for others, no need to call him out on his style of play, and the fact that his ideas on "how to do it right" produce very shady and a toxic lack true team play in game. I can get a pretty good idea of how a game with him goes, Imagine CW when it drops.... times this by 80% of the games with players that have the same 'doing it right" play style. Dev's is this really what we want it to go down like?

We need a healthy player base that new and veterans alike can fight along each others side, with real content, real objectives to gain if team work is used to complete them. There are many forms of team work... however, the ideas of "doing it right" I have seen on here posted over and over again, could hardly be considered one of them in the goal of true team play.


And with the team kill comment and the team kill golden mech comment.... sorry man, I for one will never come with you. It concerns me you have alt accounts.... this is not what this game should be, and players should not play this game if they are willing to go to such lengths. You already have said you don't care if this game thrives or dies.... It really looks like the truth is you want it to fail and fail big!

Edited by Mr Beefy, 27 October 2014 - 01:09 PM.

[KraftySOT]

I see you guys, im not blind. First thing I do in a match and I play alot, so thats why you see me (cause I enjoy myself) is look to see if theres Forum Warriors.

I love you even when im in disagreement. Ill come across the map to help out a fellow forum warrior in need.

Ask Mechwarrior Buddah or Lefty. You may disagree with me, but ill die by your side all the same.

Im not here to troll you, I want you to get spacerich and enjoy the game.

Astrocanis, on 27 October 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

Better. Much better.

I was always here.

Mr Beefy, on 27 October 2014 - 01:01 PM, said:

I could go back through months of fraps to see if I have dropped with him, I really don't remember every seeing him or him standing out in a match, friend or foe.... but for me at least, I can't speak for others, no need to call him out on his style of play, and the fact that his ideas on "how to do it right" produce very shady and a toxic lack true team play in game. I can get a pretty good idea of how a game with him goes, Imagine CW when it drops.... times this by 80% of the games with players that have the same 'doing it right" play style. Dev's is this really what we want it to go down like?

We need a healthy player base that new and veterans alike can fight along each others side, with real content, real objectives to gain if team work is used to complete them. There are many forms of team work... however, the ideas of "doing it right" I have seen on here posted over and over again, could hardly be considered one of the in the goal of true team play.

Weve dropped together fairly recently, on Caustic I believe, day after the Rewards hit or that night. You were like the third person to post in my New Rewards thread after the patch was live, and I was in my first medium match with you and I did terribly and we lost.

I believe you commented in that thread about that match.

[Tynan]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

Yeah and in those SAME MATCHES im with you in, im getting spacerich most of the time, while youre spacepoor.

Next time you see me. Say something. Ill stick with you. Ill cover you. We'll go flank. Ill tag for yah. Let me know man, im there for you.

Honestly, though, this is sort of an indictment of the new system (if not the numerical rewards themselves). As someone who's primarily a light / medium pilot, I'm all for new reward structures but frankly I think there's something wrong if you have the game the earnings, not just contribute / win the match. That's a fairly different subject than this thread was intended for, though.

[Kodyn]

Krafty, you're still missing one point, repeatedly.

You're claiming all of us on the other side of the debate are whining for CBills, but that's simply not the case.

As I and several others have stated already, I do not personally have any issue with my grind. I can make CBills just as quickly as you claim you can, and haven't had to modify my playstyle with the new system to keep up.

So if nothing else, at least acknowledge that we aren't all in this thread begging for money we can't seem to earn. It's simply not the point, what those of us who know how to play earn or don't.

[KraftySOT]

And seriously, ive wasted most of my gaming day here with you fellahs. Thats 3-5 million cbills ive wasted being here.

Thats not a big deal for me. Its cool. Im not spacepoor.

But im gonna play now before the wife gets home and demands attentions.

Tynan, on 27 October 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Honestly, though, this is sort of an indictment of the new system (if not the numerical rewards themselves). As someone who's primarily a light / medium pilot, I'm all for new reward structures but frankly I think there's something wrong if you have the game the earnings, not just contribute / win the match. That's a fairly different subject than this thread was intended for, though.

Noooo...individual performance being rewarded is great.

Thats the best part of the new rewards. Is that one person can make 30k for a loss, while the other guy makes 165k because he was doing everything he could to help win, but lost anyways.

[Astrocanis]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

I was always here.

You may have been. Your message was lost in "bad" and "suck" and rancor.

There are multiple ways to make a point. Rarely is the one laden with insults the most effective. Other than to garner replies supporting your position from the testosterone-crazed little boys.

I like your recent posts better. You may actually get your message across. Mr. Beefy is angry with you - and, to be frank, that's not a hard place to get to when you insult your readers. If you continue taking a less pejorative tactic, you may convince even him that you have valid points.

But insults will only garner more contempt. If your goal is to be beneath contempt, insult away. As I said, your more recent posts are an improvement.

[KraftySOT]

Kodyn, on 27 October 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Krafty, you're still missing one point, repeatedly.

You're claiming all of us on the other side of the debate are whining for CBills, but that's simply not the case.

As I and several others have stated already, I do not personally have any issue with my grind. I can make CBills just as quickly as you claim you can, and haven't had to modify my playstyle with the new system to keep up.

So if nothing else, at least acknowledge that we aren't all in this thread begging for money we can't seem to earn. It's simply not the point, what those of us who know how to play earn or don't.

Completely fair, I wasnt trying to say youre all begging for MOAR CBILLS.

Just the few people who have been saying the same thing for 36 pages. Theres just a couple. Im sorry im not the kind of person to make blanket statements about entire demographics most of the time. If that was construed, im sorry, wasnt my intention.

Astrocanis, on 27 October 2014 - 01:08 PM, said:

You may have been. Your message was lost in "bad" and "suck" and rancor.

There are multiple ways to make a point. Rarely is the one laden with insults the most effective. Other than to garner replies supporting your position from the testosterone-crazed little boys.

I like your recent posts better. You may actually get your message across. Mr. Beefy is angry with you - and, to be frank, that's not a hard place to get to when you insult your readers. If you continue taking a less pejorative tactic, you may convince even him that you have valid points.

But insults will only garner more contempt. If your goal is to be beneath contempt, insult away. As I said, your more recent posts are an improvement.

I grew up in a time where calling your friend a ****** was considered "I love you Buddy, youre a good friend".

Its not personal. Its not an attack. I wouldnt tell my enemy he sucks. Id just say nothing. I say it because im with you. Im playing the same game, im playing by the same rules.