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[Russ Bullock]

I ran a quick Clan vs IS test to gather some data without the risk of changing player behavior ( solo queue only )

Small sample size with Clan victories at 64%

I am relatively happy with this seeing as the test increased the usual 50 ELO difference between teams to ~90 and growing the longer I ran the test - most matches I observed were around 100-120 ELO advantage to the Clan team.

Again with this in mind I think 64% is something I am fairly pleased with.

The new quirks still need more time to settle in and for people to use them in the best way. I may very well do some more quick Clan vs IS tests to gather more data sets.

[Jin Ma]

are tests over? Or can I still jump in for a Clan vs. IS game.

Edited by Jin Ma, 06 November 2014 - 02:54 PM.

[Damien Tokala]

QUIRK THE CLANS!

[Russ Bullock]

Damien Tokala, on 06 November 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

QUIRK THE CLANS!

Clans won 64%

Jin Ma, on 06 November 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

are tests over?

Yes

[Jin Ma]

Clan XLs could still use the speed nerf when side torso is gone.. Maybe a very minimal one.
Just to test if that ratio can get into the 50%s

I mean IS winning 36% of the time doesn't sound like a good time

Edited by Jin Ma, 06 November 2014 - 03:17 PM.

[Piney II]

Thanks for the update, Russ.

[Damien Tokala]

Clans won 64%

there are still some energy reliant clan mechs that are not as efficient as they should be... IE nova. there are some brawler types that aren't as efficient as they once were before jump jet changes, IE summoner. there are some that need additional pods due the the fixed jets people don't want, IE timberwolf and kit fox.

and when an awesome can fire PPCs like a clan UAC, you know there's something wrong there.

[PauloBR]

I want to play an IS vs Clan match...

You could have warned us. =(
I would happily joined the solo queue.

PS: And saying just 64% isn't something THAT useful, because clan mechs have big differences between them.
PS2: But it's good it lowered a bit... even not knowing which mechs were most used and how was their performance.

Edited by PauloBR, 06 November 2014 - 03:01 PM.

[The Boz]

I'd just like to point out that 64% wins isn't a small difference, but nearly DOUBLE.

[Kain Demos]

Jin Ma, on 06 November 2014 - 02:54 PM, said:

Clan XLs could still use the speed nerf when side torso is gone.. Maybe a very minimal one.
Just to test if that ratio can get into the 50%s

Unless Russ changed his mind last I saw with the ELO difference in favor of the clans 60% was his goal, not 50%.

[Dragomir Zelenka]

I'm curious to see what the breakdown of Clan mechs was. Did the wins primarily come from teams frontloaded with Dires, Timbers, and Stormcrows? Were the losses primarily from those teams skewed towards the "substandard" clan chassis?

I'm also curious to see how this sort of thing will shake out in a few more days, when people have had a chance to get the Ice Ferret fully unlocked, and when the Timby hits for Cbills.

Glad to see you running tests on this stuff at any rate.

[Kain Demos]

PauloBR, on 06 November 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

I want to play an IS vs Clan match...

You could have warned us. =(
I would happily joined the solo queue.

They like to do it unannounced so that "player behavior" doesn't change.

[KuroNyra]

Russ, are the Clan vs IS match still going?

I missed the occasion to do them before.

[Bluefalcon13]

Russ, just got to ask.... How many summoners novas and adders were there?

Is anything being done to look at these chassis?

[UrsusMorologus]

Should we infer from your statement that IS Quirks are indeed meant to provide some kind of balancing agent vs Clan tech?

[Damien Tokala]

Bluefalcon13, on 06 November 2014 - 03:02 PM, said:

Russ, just got to ask.... How many summoners novas and adders were there?

Is anything being done to look at these chassis?

i would also like to point out the lack of adders being used as well, the prime variant reliec on two PPCs, and runs too hot to be viable.

adder definitely needs some energy love

[Russ Bullock]

UrsusMorologus, on 06 November 2014 - 03:04 PM, said:

Should we infer from your statement that IS Quirks are indeed meant to provide some kind of balancing agent vs Clan tech?

That was stated clearly by me in a past Clan vs IS balancing command chair post

[Kiiyor]

Russ Bullock, on 06 November 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

I ran a quick Clan vs IS test to gather some data without the risk of changing player behavior ( solo queue only )

Small sample size with Clan victories at 64%

I am relatively happy with this seeing as the test increased the usual 50 ELO difference between teams to ~90 and growing the longer I ran the test - most matches I observed were around 100-120 ELO advantage to the Clan team.

Again with this in mind I think 64% is something I am fairly pleased with.

The new quirks still need more time to settle in and for people to use them in the best way. I may very well do some more quick Clan vs IS tests to gather more data sets.

Nice! I can live with those figures. Bear in mind this may change with a larger test, too.

Also, there may very well be a lot of IS pilots trying out the mechs you have breathed new life into, that have not as yet achieved mastery over their deadly new machines.

You should run an event - pure Clan VS the 'Sphere, over a weekend.

Edit: Ha, I used 'bear in mind' against you, when it was more of a general statement to the masses. Do you mind if I ask how many matches ended up in your sample?

Edited by Kiiyor, 06 November 2014 - 03:10 PM.

[Brody319]

I am really pleased with that number. That seems like a skill gap thing more than a weapon, chassis, and equipment advantage.

I think if you ran the tests for a day or two that number would shrink a bit more.

[Walluh]

So were the majority of the clan teams mechs in the unholy trinity or not?

Not to mention quirks did just come out, so they're still settling in, getting optimized, etc, etc. I'd say they're more or less equal now

Edited by Walluh, 06 November 2014 - 03:09 PM.