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[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

See thats another thing i cant understand: Why even waste an atlas as a lrm platform? Is it the Lack of actual Skills?

100 Ton Ready to soak up dmg and wreck other mechs while beeing on the frontlineon will be missed. And yet those ppl want to teach us how to play or how to counter stuff

Tahribator, on 17 November 2014 - 02:40 AM, said:

Yesterday I had a solo match where the matchmaker put 2xAWS-8R, a STK-5S and a single CPL-1A on the other team on Tourmaline, complete with NARC scouts. The lurmageddon was real.

Though my team was competent and we closed the range pretty quick where their lurms didn't matter at all. After that it devolved into an 8 minute stand-off where we wore out the other team slowly but steadily. It was a satisfying victory.

The thing is, if you see a lot of LRM boats on the other team, you also know that they suck at trading shots. You know they're lacking sort of 'Mechs with huge alphas that smack you when you show your face. You know their LRM boats are timid and will suck at positioning. I win most of the matches like these.

The problem arises when your team panics, loses their cool and screws up their positioning when this happens. It happens a lot in the solo queue due to its random nature. Though, that shouldn't be a problem in group queue.

I am having alot of those matches. Even if you won- would you say the match was fun to play? or just annoying?

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 17 November 2014 - 02:47 AM.

[El Bandito]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 17 November 2014 - 02:43 AM, said:

See thats another thing i cant understand: Why even waste an atlas as a lrm platform? Is the Lack of actual Skills?

Cause of this. The S is a good mech for the current tourney . As for the lack of skills, I don't recall seeing your name in any leader boards, both in present and past ones.

Edited by El Bandito, 17 November 2014 - 02:57 AM.

[Tahribator]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 17 November 2014 - 02:43 AM, said:

I facing many of those matches. Even if you won- would you say the match was fun to play? or just annoying?

It was definitively annoying. Though, anything in excess amounts in annoying in this game. The amount of poptarts actually made me quit for a few months back in 2013. Today lots of Gauss 'Mechs in a game, laser vomit fests . . . all are annoying and make the game unenjoyable for me at times.

As all other things, LRMs in a health dosage is good for every team. They punish careless positioning and are effective in stunning 'Mechs. They force snipers to reposition, all good things.

[Charronn]

El Bandito, on 17 November 2014 - 02:39 AM, said:

Your words and my experience do not match.

Any team with few AMS had no trouble with LRMs.



But go ahead and bury your head in the sand.

Well last night hell the last few weekends must have been a figment of my imagination then.This was MY experience,yours may be different,good for you.
I dunno what your on about burying my head in the sand,but whatever.As I said earlier if it keeps up my disposable income will go elsewhere.Rest assured i'm not the only player experiencing this,look at the amount of lurm threads started up and eventually removed.

[El Bandito]

Charronn, on 17 November 2014 - 02:50 AM, said:

Well last night hell the last few weekends must have been a figment of my imagination then.This was MY experience,yours may be different,good for you.
I dunno what your on about burying my head in the sand,but whatever.As I said earlier if it keeps up my disposable income will go elsewhere.Rest assured i'm not the only player experiencing this,look at the amount of lurm threads started up and eventually removed.

Oh, so you wanna look at the numbers? ATM, there are only 4-5 active QQ threads, out of thousands of forum population. I am not impressed.

Also, look at the amount of likes those QQers get in their opening post, and compare that to the amount of likes I get for putting them down. Face it, the majority of the forumers have no issue with LRMs.

Just cause it was a tourney that was badly thought out, and made LRMs used more, don't put your panties in a bunch. Tourney is over.

Edited by El Bandito, 17 November 2014 - 02:54 AM.

[Mordin Ashe]

Charronn, on 17 November 2014 - 02:50 AM, said:

As I said earlier if it keeps up my disposable income will go elsewhere.

Please, send one or your spare tons to general AMS direction. If 4 people of your 12 man team do the same thing you are well off.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

So what does it say? You had one match in your Lurm atlas against a noob team which allowed you to rain your lrms from the background on them?

[redacted]

Edited by Egomane, 17 November 2014 - 03:24 AM.
stay constructive

[Mordin Ashe]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 17 November 2014 - 02:57 AM, said:

So what does it say? You had one match in your Lurm atlas against a noob team which allowed you to rain your lrms from the background on them?

Want a cookie now?

You will be a cookie when El Bandito smashes you with his Awesome. From what I can tell he has been running quite many not exactly common LRM builds that are difficult to make work without quite a lot of experience. So I'm not saying that you should take his opinion for granted, but you should realise that you are talking to someone who unlike you has vast experience.

[redacted] really doesn't help. Mount the AMS, damn it!

Edited by Egomane, 17 November 2014 - 03:25 AM.
personal attacks don't help either

[Egomane]

Reminder:
Stay friendly!

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Mordin Ashe, on 17 November 2014 - 03:05 AM, said:

You will be a cookie when El Bandito smashes you with his Awesome. From what I can tell he has been running quite many not exactly common LRM builds that are difficult to make work without quite a lot of experience. So I'm not saying that you should take his opinion for granted, but you should realise that you are talking to someone who unlike you has vast experience.

[redacted] really doesn't help. Mount the AMS, damn it!

99% of the comp or skilled players will tell you that a lrm atlas is a wasted atlas

[Brizna]

Generally when an event like this shows up I immediatly think Kit Fox 3xAMS oh yeaaaaah!

If you look at my name though you'll see Rasalhage, so that wasn't an option this time so I sided with evil this time and plyed my STK 5M Lurmageddon, I actually had fun (evil fun) with it since I had not played MWO from that point of view in ages.

Anyway you have to adapt to circumstances, when an event whose scoring system prompted players so clearly towards LRMing one must either join in the LRMfun or take countermessures, perferably both: did I mention my stalker carried 2 tons of AMS ammo and radar deprivation? It is a 62 kph missile magnet and I don't remember dying to missiles the whole weekend on it.

Edited by Brizna, 17 November 2014 - 04:40 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 15 November 2014 - 05:24 AM, said:

You are not helping the discussion. You are just offending and insulting ppl. With other words: You are destructive and annoying.

You are welcome to argue like an adult and show me why iam wrong or dont get taken serious

Edit: no one said lrm´s have to get nerfed until they are useless. I would welcome any good ideas which change the hole lrm mechaninc from ground so they remain to be a good weapon but not a EASY MODE weapon

The number of LRMs is fine. Missiles are doing exactly what they are meant to do, Pound you from far ways and often from a safe firing position. Being able to kill your enemy from relative safety is an Infantryman's dream. The idea of walking into the teeth of your enemy died on a battlefield a very long time ago. Since this is a game that pits combat teams against combat teams, there will be various styles of fighting. Your weakness seems to be Missile barrages. Mine is fast lights. But I don't insult or desire them to be nerfed. It is MY weakness not a fail on the games part. If my average reflex speed was a few nano seconds faster, Lights wouldn't be a problem.

Also Missiles are as much a psychological weapon as they are a barrage weapon. You sir are succumbing to the psychological effects of being shelled.

Missiles are not that big a problem, unless you make a mistake, OR a good enemy scout TAG/Narcs you.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 17 November 2014 - 04:57 AM.

[Catra Lanis]

The most annoying thing is not the damage but what in mmorpg terms would be called partial stunlock. BANG BANG BANG BANG, I can't see, can hardly move and it never ends. At that point I just write the match off, get up and have coffe.

I see people using CLAN LRMs in brawls, not because of the damage but because it renders the opponent unable to retaliate.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 November 2014 - 04:56 AM, said:

The number of LRMs is fine. Missiles are doing exactly what they are meant to do, Pound you from far ways and often from a safe firing position. Being able to kill your enemy from relative safety is an Infantryman's dream. The idea of walking into the teeth of your enemy died on a battlefield a very long time ago. Since this is a game that pits combat teams against combat teams, there will be various styles of fighting. Your weakness seems to be Missile barrages. Mine is fast lights. But I don't insult or desire them to be nerfed. It is MY weakness not a fail on the games part. If my average reflex speed was a few nano seconds faster, Lights wouldn't be a problem.

Also Missiles are as much a psychological weapon as they are a barrage weapon. You sir are succumbing to the psychological effects of being shelled.

Missiles are not that big a problem, unless you make a mistake, OR a good enemy scout TAG/Narcs you.

Not much to say other than that you should read some more posts in this thread than page #1. You wouldnt assume that bad as you do now then

Assuming is not your strongest sthrength

This is a game and having matches where you are supposed to have fun and not get annoyed by one weapon which gets spammed should be the norm.
While you talk about realism- This hole game with his robots is not realistic. No one would send in 3050 humanoid robots(ineffective due to their geometry) to the battlefield especially not manned robots. So using the word realism is pretty much in a misplace

Catra Lanis, on 17 November 2014 - 05:01 AM, said:

The most annoying thing is not the damage but what in mmorpg terms would be called partial stunlock. BANG BANG BANG BANG, I can't see, can hardly move and it never ends. At that point I just write the match off, get up and have coffe.

I see people using CLAN LRMs in brawls, not because of the damage but because it renders the opponent unable to retaliate.

Exactly they are annoying and once there are a handful dedicated lrm boats on the field the game play becomes no fun

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 17 November 2014 - 05:13 AM.

[Egomane]

Catra Lanis, on 17 November 2014 - 05:01 AM, said:

I see people using CLAN LRMs in brawls, not because of the damage but because it renders the opponent unable to retaliate.

Which is just a psychological effect either! Your cockpit might be shuddering from impact a lot. Your crosshair is not! Once you learn to ignore the disturbance, you'll regain your advantage.

[Sjorpha]

Moderators, can we just have a permanent stickied LRM thread where all the LRM threads/complaints/rants/discussions can be merged/redirected & closed?

I don't mind people discussing them but we don't need more than 1 active thread per topic, thanks.

[Joseph Mallan]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 17 November 2014 - 05:06 AM, said:

Not much to say other than that you should read some more posts in this thread than page #1. You wouldnt assume that bad as you do now then

Assuming is not your strongest sthrength

This is a game and having matches where you are supposed to have fun and not get annoyed by one weapon which gets spammed.

And you are assuming I get annoyed by any weapons in the game. So I assume we are even on the assumptions!

[Egomane]

If the merging would work properly, I would have cleaned up and merged a lot topics already. Right now this isn't reliably possible and therfore we refrain from using it at all, as we do not want to lose whole threads in the process.

Now back on topic please!

[Aron]

It is amusing how LRM lovers desperately try to defend their wheapon of choice. Not even admitting, that the weekend challange has made the game nearly unplayable. True LRMs are not the problem but 4 LRM 60 boats are just not fun to play against.

Not sure if things normalize after the challenge has ended...

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 November 2014 - 05:11 AM, said:

And you are assuming I get annoyed by any weapons in the game. So I assume we are even on the assumptions!

Appearently i was talking out of my experience and some other ppl´s experience in this thread. Pls stay on topic and try not to twist the intension from my post. Thx