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#61 BlackDeathLegion

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 10:15 AM

Good Stuff Dennis and team!!!

Hey, about redoing the "old maps", for starters, try a cheap and quick (min man hours for PGI workers) just EXTEND THE OUT OF BOUNDS on some maps to allow more Flanking movement and helps to mix things up, instead of the typical boring and PREDICTABLE gameplay on maps like Crimson Strait.
Where is, you ONLY have to worry about "the saddle" and "the tunnel", how about extending the out of bounds of areas like "E4-E5, F4-F5,G3-G4," etc for example???

-HPG manifold:
extend out of bounds in areas "H4-H5,G5-G6,F5-F6,E6-E7,C2-C3-C4,B3,A3-A4"???

IMHO, I think doing so will create more interesting matches, also help give mechs with max JJ's an advantage, players will have to keep an eye out for inc enemies from MORE angles instead of what us players are soooo used too right now the way maps are!!!

Edited by BlackDeathLegion, 16 November 2014 - 10:36 AM.


#62 Threat Doc

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 10:39 AM

PGI, it is VERY cool to see so many positive comments for you, rather than what you've had to put up with for the past two-plus years, and I pray the trend continues on. Lots more to do, I know, but this is beginning to turn out well. Good job, guys.

#63 scruffy416

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 10:58 AM

View PostVaskadar, on 16 November 2014 - 12:22 AM, said:

When or if the maps are rebuilt, you mean. I look forward to potential expansions or permutations of current maps. Heck, I'd like it if there was more even distribution of heatmaps (for combat) on these maps.

Do your (PGI's) analytics permit such things? Heatmaps are generally a good indicator as to what players tend to gravitate towards. Kills obtained, deaths, etc. are all good indicators of where the action's happening, and allows for better analysis of level design changes that may need to happen. For one thing, I feel that Crimson Strait doesn't use enough of the space available to it effectively to facilitate multiple strategic outcomes. Mostly condensed in the loading bay area by the ship, or the B5-B4 area in the upper city close to the tunnel. Lots of combat in the tunnel due to its chokepoint nature.


https://mwomercs.com...c/img/heatmaps/

enjoy

#64 Hayato1983

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 12:53 PM

Please rebuild older maps, they need it. Iwould love to see them looking better and playing better than they are right now.

#65 Ridir Semii

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 12:54 PM

View Postscruffy416, on 16 November 2014 - 10:58 AM, said:


that is a cool little mapset

#66 warner2

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 01:39 PM

Regarding fixing older maps please for the love of god fix Terra Therma or at least remove it from the solo queue. It's ******* **** and I've had enough of playing that map and the terrible games that happen on it. Literally every other map has some redeeming quality that I can appreciate but this one is just bad, bad, bad. I'm on the verge of simply choosing not to play it and disconnecting whenever it comes up. I would rather play River City Night all day than one drop of Terra Therma and the high likley-hood of yet another bad game AKA a waste of time.

#67 Nightmare1

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 01:43 PM

ECM enabled Locust?

Must...buy... :lol:

#68 crustydog

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 01:59 PM

Ohhh.... a 4 ML Shadow Hawk?

Oh my...

I Like It !

More like a Death Hawk.

#69 Myke Pantera

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 02:27 PM

Wasn't sure about the new map after #Vlog9, but this #Vlog sold it to me. We still need to see how much fun to play this map will be, but graphics are pretty cool.

ECM Locust also looks really promising! Might even buy it full price.

Shadow Hawk looks good, but i'll probably wait for the sale!

#70 White Bear 84

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 03:25 PM

View PostVaskadar, on 16 November 2014 - 12:22 AM, said:

For one thing, I feel that Crimson Strait doesn't use enough of the space available to it effectively to facilitate multiple strategic outcomes. Mostly condensed in the loading bay area by the ship, or the B5-B4 area in the upper city close to the tunnel. Lots of combat in the tunnel due to its chokepoint nature.

Map revision is definitely something you guys at PGI should look into.

There are also tons of collision issues with assets, as they aren't done on a tight-wrapped collision, but instead using some CSG-type primitive for blocking volumes. Doesn't work out so great, unfortunately.

The reason why Tourmaline Desert, Mining Collective, Canyon Network, River City, HPG Manifold (somewhat), and Frozen City (and even dare I say Terra Therma) are all great maps, is that it provides something for everyone and doesn't limit options for players. Maps that hugely disadvantage one type of mech or playstyle should be revised, such as Alpine Peaks.


Think than Crimson straight needs a rethink simply because you pretty much only have 2 focal points for fighting and although you might get charges either way which result in base fights, generally its always around the same spots.

Frozen city & Forest colony definitely need a rework - with 12 v 12 these maps are just too small, I would like to see more assets/spawning in the frozen lake of frozen city - maybe some ice bound shipwrecks players can run around?! For Forest, some more caves and an extension of the coastline would be interesting..

Caustic is one of the better small maps and seemingly a favorite.. ..but needs some tweaking on those usual standoff locations.

What makes Mining collective, terra therma and HPG so go is not just their size, but that the environment allows for more fluid matches.. ..different approaches, flanking etc etc. The old maps suffer too much from having restrictive tactical choices in a small space..

View PostMaccasimus, on 16 November 2014 - 03:05 AM, said:

ECM Locust. Probably won't even wait for that one to go on sale. :D


I sold my soul as soon as I heard this announced. It is going to be glorious. Running around in 5SPL 3M is bad enough.. ..but one of these bad boys.. ..wooohoo :D

#71 Heffay

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 03:31 PM

View PostUminix, on 16 November 2014 - 07:35 AM, said:

I want to whine about the locust with ecm... yes it is a bit of pay to win


File this under things I'd never expect to see written down in my life. ;)

#72 Pezzer

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 03:48 PM

In regards to the Locust Hero being the first Hero with ECM....wow...

...I really don't care. It isn't pay to win because the Locust honestly isn't a good mech if you're trying to go hardcore meta, and ECM was just recently gimped hard with the BAP buff anyways. Pair that with the fact that this Hero will probably sell for about 5 bucks, and there's no real reason to complain. Want ECM while not paying for anything in-game? Get the arguably superior Raven or Spider. Want to be as small and fast as a Locust tho? Commandos have your back.

#73 Alex Warden

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 04:04 PM

i see alot "can´t use my lurmspam on that map...NERF COVER!" posts coming up soon xD

on a serious note... looks good so far, and looks like it won´t be that easy to find a "meet and greet" spot like on other maps... hope the map plays a bit more dynamicly than Alpine for example...

#74 verybad

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 04:06 PM

Quite frankly, I'm not terribly impressed with the swamp map from what I've seen in the video. Looking at those lilies and watching LRMs or lasers pass right through them without damaging the plants will bring you out of the game. The content looks like it's from a game about 6 years old. Lighting is extremely bland. I'll wait for actual releas so I can see it on my machine rather than the low res movie, but ...just not excited about it.

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 08:02 PM

For a second, I was thrilled about the Pirate's Bane, that I could get it for the lowest amount of MC. After some thought, I'm not so sure... XL engine and Double Sinks will probably drive the price up, and seeing as all the other Light Heroes are well beyond 1800MC... Oh well, going to get it anyway since I'm running Locusts, but don't think it'll go super-cheap.

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 09:33 PM

View PostStorm Wind, on 16 November 2014 - 08:02 PM, said:

For a second, I was thrilled about the Pirate's Bane, that I could get it for the lowest amount of MC. After some thought, I'm not so sure... XL engine and Double Sinks will probably drive the price up, and seeing as all the other Light Heroes are well beyond 1800MC... Oh well, going to get it anyway since I'm running Locusts, but don't think it'll go super-cheap.


Hero mechs are 75 MC per ton. The equipment on the mech does not count in the price. You can clearly see that in the mechlab when you look at the hero mechs in the purchasable menu.

#77 Leigus

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 10:17 PM

These hero mechs are getting... edgy. We're approaching Yen-Lo-Wang/Ilya Muromets territory in regards to enabling loadouts not possible on any similar mech.

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 11:18 PM

View PostLeigus, on 16 November 2014 - 10:17 PM, said:

These hero mechs are getting... edgy. We're approaching Yen-Lo-Wang/Ilya Muromets territory in regards to enabling loadouts not possible on any similar mech.


They are unique so people will buy them. The Dragon Slayer has hardpoints where no other Victor does, but I rarely see them in games anymore.

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 11:35 PM

Paid ECM, not cool. And frankly I'm surprised so very few people mentioned it. I dunno if this is P2Win or not, but I know it's not ok. I already paid real money for Locusts, why do I have to pay a second time to get a decent version of it?

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 11:43 PM

Like the swamp map because ..well it has trees. Reminds me of home.

(As for people playing the existing maps, there are other places on crimson straights and alpine, you just have to convince people to change, that's all. Like on alpine i run up the hill, around the the very edge of the mountains and come up behind the red team. They never expect that. Crimson straights, i have seen teams hide behind the island and they defend it to amazing effect because its so rarely done.)

View PostCmdr Hurrell, on 16 November 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

Paid ECM, not cool. And frankly I'm surprised so very few people mentioned it. I dunno if this is P2Win or not, but I know it's not ok. I already paid real money for Locusts, why do I have to pay a second time to get a decent version of it?

Did you notice it can't aim up or down and the arms do nothing but act as shields? Only 120% twist each side. Not exactly P2Win.





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