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[Too Much Love]

The verdict: it's over cool, but they managed to #$! it up with CT bug.

It's like to present Ferrari with crippled engine and doors.

[H Seldon]

I have to agree. I've pretty much just played Assualt mechs since CB. And I'm really liking the Hellbringer. I've got about 20 matches in each variant and they are all fun. Fun build for the B is 2xUAC5s in the arms, 1 ERML in the LT and 2 LRM5s in the RT. I've been able to put down quite a few assault mechs when I get the timing right. Averaging 325 damage/match with all 3 variants.

[Pariah Devalis]

This has always been my favorite mech from the invasion era. Forever sad it came pre-nerfed with no endo or ff from FASA. :\ Otherwise it would have had maxed armor and still had 26 tons of room.

Timber Wolf, eat your heart out.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 30 November 2014 - 08:29 PM.

[ChapeL]

Awesome mech, will be hard to pry me out of one.

[Alek Ituin]

SaltBeef, on 30 November 2014 - 12:04 AM, said:

It will be a valuable asset to the team when fixed. The game just got a lot deadlier. But I assume when I get my KC it is gonna get even more dangerous as well. We still have not gotten the Dragonfly's , shadowcats , Cauldren borns, Arctic foxes, and Black lanners yet. The Dasher ,Executioner or any 2C mechs yet.

There is 100 ton assault the clans will fear when they meet it, the Devastaor with 2 PPC, 2 guass, 4 med lasers and also Sunder, Hauptman, ad Blackhawk KU. The KU is going to be really nasty. Imagine a Clan Blackhawk with IS med lasers 10 tons heavier with better cooling. That thing may have to be toned down a bit.

Hauptmann is going to be NASTY. I loved that Mech in MW4, best Assault by far IMO, and it also looks like an indestructible juggernaut. Seriously, aesthetics went out the door when designing the Hauptmann, it's just all business all the time.


And that business?



DEATH.

[Shredhead]

Alek Ituin, on 30 November 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

Hauptmann is going to be NASTY. I loved that Mech in MW4, best Assault by far IMO, and it also looks like an indestructible juggernaut. Seriously, aesthetics went out the door when designing the Hauptmann, it's just all business all the time.


And that business?



DEATH.

Hauptmann is going to be bad, as will all IS Omnimechs with XL engine, because they get an IS XL you can't take out.

BTT, I freaking love the Loki. You fear the 5SS Wubberbolt? Well, imagine it faster and equipped with ECM:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...650e39608df9134
A bit more restraint is needed because of a slightly lower HE, but this machine can bring the pain! My go to build, though I hate leftover tonnage.

[Pariah Devalis]

Alek Ituin, on 30 November 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

Hauptmann is going to be NASTY. I loved that Mech in MW4, best Assault by far IMO, and it also looks like an indestructible juggernaut. Seriously, aesthetics went out the door when designing the Hauptmann, it's just all business all the time.


And that business?



DEATH.

Ah, but you forget that long before the Hauptmann comes out, the Night Gyr, Arctic Cheetah, Turkina, Ebon Jaguar (Cauldron-Born), and Huntsman come out to play. All of which are MASC free. All of which are bloody terrifying, especially the first three. 75 tons, 38 tons of podspace, hardwired jump jets and near max armor. 30 tons with ECM, 9 tons of pod space, and gobs of hardpoints. 95 tons, jump capable, with 42 tons of pod space.

Most were listed in the 3058 TRO, but in lore and in universe 3051-3052 is the dawn of the pocket-assault Clan mechs.

The tears of the Inner Sphere will flow.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 30 November 2014 - 09:23 PM.

[aniviron]

Things the Hellbringer does not have that you might want: Ferro Fibrous armor, Endo Steel internals.

I think that's what's going to keep it back from being one of the best mechs in the game. That, and the fact that it's 10 tons below the weight class limit.

[Alek Ituin]

aniviron, on 30 November 2014 - 09:53 PM, said:

Things the Hellbringer does not have that you might want: Ferro Fibrous armor, Endo Steel internals.

I think that's what's going to keep it back from being one of the best mechs in the game. That, and the fact that it's 10 tons below the weight class limit.

But the Timbie only has 4 extra tons over the Hellbringer. 10 tons heavier, with only 4 tons extra, and it barely manages 81kph. Endosteel on the HBR would bring that advantage down to 0.75 tons (6.5 tons standard, 3.25 tons Endo), and FF would reduce that to... Hell, lets go with max armor, so ~13 tons or so, bringing FF savings to 1.56 tons.

Meaning the HBR would actually have a weight advantage of 0.75 tons over the TBR. Despite the Timber being 10 tons heavier, of course. (it's actually 0.81 tons, but that's pedantic... the difference between 0.75 and 0.81 is 2 points of armor.)

Edited by Alek Ituin, 30 November 2014 - 10:10 PM.

[El Bandito]

Alistair Winter, on 29 November 2014 - 08:10 PM, said:

It is pretty ironic that the Clans got the Warhammer before the Inner Sphere. I am gonna get it just for that look.

[aniviron]

Alek Ituin, on 30 November 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

But the Timbie only has 4 extra tons over the Hellbringer. 10 tons heavier, with only 4 tons extra, and it barely manages 81kph. Endosteel on the HBR would bring that advantage down to 0.75 tons (6.5 tons standard, 3.25 tons Endo), and FF would reduce that to... Hell, lets go with max armor, so ~13 tons or so, bringing FF savings to 1.56 tons.

Meaning the HBR would actually have a weight advantage of 0.75 tons over the TBR. Despite the Timber being 10 tons heavier, of course. (it's actually 0.81 tons, but that's pedantic... the difference between 0.75 and 0.81 is 2 points of armor.)

4 tons is relatively significant, especially when you consider that the TBR has more tonnage to play with and has more armor, plus two of those tons from the TBR are built in heatsinks which you will very much need on a clan mech. If you assume that the HBR is going to need a 15 heatsink minimum (which it is, since it can't boat uAC10s/20s/gauss) then the TBR has six tons on the HBR. Either way, I don't think ECM is so powerful at this point with BAP how it is that I would take ECM in exchange for 50 points of armor, 4 tons of pod space, two heatsinks, more hardpoints, and much better hitboxes. If the HBR had that extra ton and a half, it would be a much closer call.

[El Bandito]

Plus the Timbie has better hitboxes and still can cheat-jump.

Edited by El Bandito, 30 November 2014 - 10:34 PM.

[Greenjulius]

Once they fix these ridiculous hitboxes maybe I can become king of the bads and finally pull off a carry win.

[Alek Ituin]

aniviron, on 30 November 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:

4 tons is relatively significant, especially when you consider that the TBR has more tonnage to play with and has more armor, plus two of those tons from the TBR are built in heatsinks which you will very much need on a clan mech. If you assume that the HBR is going to need a 15 heatsink minimum (which it is, since it can't boat uAC10s/20s/gauss) then the TBR has six tons on the HBR. Either way, I don't think ECM is so powerful at this point with BAP how it is that I would take ECM in exchange for 50 points of armor, 4 tons of pod space, two heatsinks, more hardpoints, and much better hitboxes. If the HBR had that extra ton and a half, it would be a much closer call.

Just give the HBR Endosteel and fix the CT hitboxes. The HBR also has a myriad of functional builds, and incredibly useful hardpoint placement going to it too. The TBR requires a certain set of builds to truly shine, but from what I can tell, the HBR can shine with just about anything. Plus, it has not only a cockpit with AMS, but a cockpit with an Energy hardpoint. (FRIGGIN LASER BEAM ATTACHED TO IT'S FRIGGIN HEAD)

So really, the TBR just has HS and a little extra tonnage going for it (if you add Endo and stuff, that is).

Edited by Alek Ituin, 30 November 2014 - 10:43 PM.

[aniviron]

Alek Ituin, on 30 November 2014 - 10:42 PM, said:

Just give the HBR Endosteel and fix the CT hitboxes. The HBR also has a myriad of functional builds, and incredibly useful hardpoint placement going to it too. The TBR requires a certain set of builds to truly shine, but from what I can tell, the HBR can shine with just about anything. Plus, it has not only a cockpit with AMS, but a cockpit with an Energy hardpoint. (FRIGGIN LASER BEAM ATTACHED TO IT'S FRIGGIN HEAD)

So really, the TBR just has HS and a little extra tonnage going for it (if you add Endo and stuff, that is).

I don't see the HBR being a great sniper, but I guess I don't know how high the ST energy points are exactly. It's really hard to say how it will end up since hitboxes are probably the most important single characteristic of a mech and we don't know what the HBR's are actually supposed to be; if they come out a lot better, the HBR will probably wind up being just a notch below the TBR/DWF/SCR trinity but a cut above; if the hitboxes are still awful, it will remain barely better than the WHKs and ADRs, but nowhere as bad as the NVA/MLX.

[SaltBeef]

The mech is mean and nasty but the Hitboxes are the biggest pieces of $#!t! this side of Rosie O'Donnell's colon. When they get fixed look out!

[ToxinTractor]

I want to see a hellbringer and a madcat skip down the road together, hands held in marry glee. Maybe throw in some explosions and some LRMs .. then itd be a photo worthy shot..

[Mystere]

SaltBeef, on 29 November 2014 - 08:49 PM, said:

Once they figure out the durability the fun factor of this game extremely loud and incessant calls for nerfs on the forums will go up by about 50% 500% IMHO.

FTFY.

And all three of mine are fully mastered, in laser vomit, dakka vomit, and missile vomit editions.

Edited by Mystere, 01 December 2014 - 09:04 AM.

[Mystere]

Kevjack, on 29 November 2014 - 08:58 PM, said:

You mean an ERLL in the head, and two in the left torso, 3x ERSL in the arms, with 21DHS?

Did you really mean 3 CLPLs on the left torso and 3 ERSLs on the arms? Or did you mean 2 ERPPCs on the left torso and 3 ERMLs on the arms?

[KraftySOT]

No one seems to realize that if it didnt have the CT it has, it would be incredibly powerful.