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[Antonius Rex]

Gentlemen,

So, it obviously appears that the Wolf Clan is unwilling to help their Ghost Bear neighbors gain access to the Land of Green Turkeys.

This is unfortunate for a number of reasons.
1. The Falcons know where the tastiest Salmon are, and the Bears get pretty sexually aroused when there is plenty of Salmon to go around.
2. We thought we had an understanding between a number of Wolf units to help us achieve our goal, as we clearly laid out our plan to cede the worlds we took back to wolf, as we went along and got our single planet closer and closer to CJF land.
3. One of the big benefits we saw in this plan for Wolf, was that you guys would get an up to an additional 9 planets or so in your back field, that you would get to put Wolf Unit names on, as you reclaimed them.
4. We also offered to cede Ellissa back to you guys for your efforts.
5. Furthermore, we also offered to help Wolf defend their planets from both Steiner and Rasalhague, as was agreed to in my personal conversations with Gyrok.

For what it is worth, we brought this proposal to you guys in a timely manner, making sure to keep our intentions clear and in the open, with the intent of working with you guys for the benefit of both parties. We also engaged in negotiations with various Wolf leaders, but I do recognize that the Wolf Clan is a large group, and that there is no Khan who speaks for the group as a whole. Alas, what would have been one of the biggest deals in CW history will likely bear no fruit. Or Salmon for that matter.

I have talked to the rest of our Allies, as well as the leadership of the newly involved Comstar Irregulars and we have agreed to let the matter drop. As of tonight, there should be no more attacks on the Wolf/Bear front from either Mercstar or Comstar Irregulars, as well as the rest of the known Ghost Bear group of friends.

Frankly, with SJR's recent departure, the Lords schism that saw around half of their top 12 players leave, and the more recent news that Lords may be leaving CJF entirely, there isn't really much point in pushing out there. Other than our dreams of the tastiest Salmon, we really just wanted to go get some games in against two of the better teams out there.

Anyways, sorry for the border spat. I regret that Bear and Wolf could not come together on this deal, which I felt would have benefited both parties.

[Joe Psycho]

Greetings Clan Wolf,
Comstar Irregulars has stopped attacking Clan Wolf space to support the cease fire between Clan Wolf and Clan Ghost Bear. Thank You for your time.

[Antonius Rex]

Gentlemen,

So once again, due to the Wolf/Ghost Bear ceasefire, Bear has nothing to do.

Both of our attack lanes into Kurita and FRR are sitting at 100% with most of our enemies choosing to fight else where rather than fight us.

Once again, too many Bears, not enough Salmon.

I am writing this to try yet again to get Wolf to allow us an attack lane in Green turkey territory.
please see my many previous posts for the plan.

The simple reality is, all of Clan Ghost Bear Needs another attack lane. We have nothing to do, as we crush everything that apposes us on our two IS lanes. We need more access to Salmon Runs.

So, once again I ask. Will Wolf help us obtain another attack lane? or would you guys prefer to go to war with Bear?

Look at the math. Even if it is only Comstar Irregulars and the forces of Mercsar attacking Wolf, we can bring 10+ 12 mans to the fight. From Wolf's claims, they can bring a total of 21 12 mans to any given front if they use all of their forces. These numbers coupled with our 90%+ win rate against you guys, means that it will take nearly the entire Wolf force to merely hold us off.

Meanwhile, Wolf will fail to take another planet from Steiner or FRR, while the rest of Ghost Bear will continue to casually take 2 IS planets every day (Kurita and FRR front).

Another thing to consider, is that both CI and MS are more than willing to take on multiple week contracts with Ghost bear. We focus Ghost bear, but merc out for other IS units on the off time. We are perfectly happy to take a 1 month contract with Ghost Bear against Wolf, if it means that we get nonstop games against a somewhat organized opponent.

So, once again. Will Wolf help their Ghost Bear friends get more attack lanes? or must we obtain them from our Wolf brothers?

Currently, between CI and MS, we easily win 9/10 of our matches against Wolf. Frankly, other than the Golden Keshik comp team, the rest of Wolf 12 mans take it all in the face. (we have also heard rumours that GK is planning to leave wolf for another contact)

So, looking at that math, if it is only CI and MS attacking you guys, and with a roughly 90% win rate, we can tie up something like 18 of your 21 12 mans. Simply put, while yes, with all of Wolf's might, you can hold us off, it will be at the expense of you guys ever gaining ground into the IS. Meanwhile, Ghost Bear will still be taking two planes a turn without us being involved.

So, one last, final time. Please, for the sake of the WolfBear dominion, help your Bear brothers to get another attack lane. Otherwise, the only alternative could be an all out war with Wolf.

Neitther side really wants that. But due to the current CW dynamics, This is what Bear needs.

Help a bear out. The alternatives are pretty crappy.

Edited by Antonius Rex, 27 December 2014 - 08:24 PM.

[sandworm16]

no.

[Antonius Rex]

Respectfully,

Do you represent the 200+ Wolf pilots that will need to defend full time against us should no deal be able to be reached?

[sandworm16]

I only speak for myself. After the shameful performance of MS and CI on the failed Christmas sneak attack, I personally have no desire to work with you.

[Adiuvo]

Antonius Rex, on 26 December 2014 - 01:34 AM, said:

Frankly, with SJR's recent departure, the Lords schism that saw around half of their top 12 players leave, and the more recent news that Lords may be leaving CJF entirely, there isn't really much point in pushing out there. Other than our dreams of the tastiest Salmon, we really just wanted to go get some games in against two of the better teams out there.

lol, the rumor mill is pretty funny.

Wrong on all counts, btw.

[Antonius Rex]

@ Sandworm

I wouldn't really call a few attacks that were declared nearly a weak in advance, then again declared minutes before the attacks began a sneak attack. Hard to be sneaky when we declare our intentions before hand. Also, all of those attacks started around 9 Pm Eastern, only about 2 hours before the ceasefire. Our intent was to start phase one of Operation Turkey Hunt.

@ Aduivo

Care to share a total list of pilots that have abandoned the lords?

The list I have stands as thus:
People who left Lords: Heimdelight, Atkinson, Writhen, Celyth, JP, Energy, Hairpiece, Neo Fighter, Rickrom, Dela Spectra, and Kin3ticX. And the list keeps growing...

Admittedly, since you guys haven't posted an exact list of your current defectors, the total is somewhat unknown. But that list as it currently stands accounts for nearly half of the Lords top 12 pilots. Any more defections and some would wonder if Lords would even be able to field a proper comp 12 man. Better keep recruiting all the guys you can if you hope to perform in either CW or any comp leagues you guys happen to actually get invited to.

as far as your comment of "wrong on all counts, btw"

- SJR has swapped from CJF to Liao as of a couple days ago.
- Lords have lost a bunch of their top players, regardless of whether or not the number is truly around "half of their top 12 players" (that number is rather subjective, but considering all of Kaffe's numerous posts about how awesome many of those players on that list are, one could assume that losing those players has cut the relative Lords strength by about half. Its a pretty big list).
- There was a rumour that Lords would be leaving CJF. Whether that rumour is true or not, it would be a falsehood on your part to deny the rumour exists. Any claim that it doesn't exist, is simply a lie. Whether or not the rumour exists is not what you claimed to be false.

Care to declare the Lords intentions going forward?

edit: Care to explain why it was nearly half your top 12 players left lords?

Also, care to explain why Lords members seem to be okay with numerous members posting pictures and signatures depicting {Godwin's Law} giving the sig hail (im sure that is spelt wrong) with the Jade Falcon logo on it?

As the leader of a unit with many Jewish members in it, I think I can speak for many, many MWO players, when I say that that crap is rather offensive.

I mean honesty, its one thing for the Lords to be generally considered the douchiest most unsportsmanlike unit out there. but it is an entirely other thing for you guys to be crossing the line where there could be further repercussions that effect the rest of the MWO community. Do you know how many higher ranked members in Microsoft's HR, PR and Command level staff are members of the Jewish community?

Seriously, they could come down on not only the Lords, but all of the MWO community for the **** you guys pull. They own the IP. and they are not big fans of neo Naziis. The last thing the MWO community needs is to be associated with the anti semitic crap that the Lords have been posting recently.

Edited by Antonius Rex, 27 December 2014 - 09:35 PM.

[Aresye]

Antonius Rex, on 27 December 2014 - 08:26 PM, said:

Respectfully,

Do you represent the 200+ Wolf pilots that will need to defend full time against us should no deal be able to be reached?

Respectfully? You pitch a plan that isn't even likely going to work with the current CW mechanics, and you insult our faction and players as a whole, while hiding behind a thinly veiled layer of asking for permission?

Here's the thing. PGI controls the planets. There is no guarantee that your "plan" to hit the Falcons will just be a few planets along the top. It could weave in/out of all of Clan Wolf. It could require you to take over 90% of Clan Wolf worlds before you finally open up an attack lane to the Falcons.

It's a risk assessment. We've had multiple discussions amongst various units to gather the pros and cons of your proposal, and as of the current moment, with the current CW mechanics, there is too much risk for a very, very small gain. A gain that I'm not even sure would benefit the wolves whatsoever.

[Naglinator]

Pic of the Ghost Bears eyeing our tasty Wolf worlds...

[Adiuvo]

Antonius Rex, on 27 December 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

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I'm not sure why I'm entertaining you, but to clear the air...

Heim, Atkinson, Writhen, Celyth, JP, Energy, Hairpiece, and Neofighter left HoL to join Heim's unit. Out of that, only 3 were starters for us. Rickrom afaik did not leave. Delta did not want to choose sides during the conflict, and we're still on good terms with him and he still plays with us. Kineticx was much the same and didn't feel like he was really into the uber-competitive thing anyways (his words).

And no, that doesn't stand for half of our top pilots lol. The more known people, sure. However, there are many in the unit that perform to the same level both statistically and just in general, they just aren't as loud about it. Also I'm pretty sure we're not the unit that completely failed to meet a comp match that was scheduled a week in advance... who was that again? Oh yeah. It was your unit. Funny that.

SJR swapping to Liao was known literally the minute they switched away from CSJ. They're planning to take a bunch of week long contracts and move around accordingly. I'm not exactly sure why that matters though... it's not like they're friendly with MS.

Reiterating what I said earlier, we essentially only lost 3 people, and we have people that can easily replace those 3. But go ahead, let something as uncompetitive as CW inflate your ego more.

I don't care that a rumor existed. I don't really care where we move in CW either. At the current time, we're not making any plans to switch out of CJF. But since you think that the existence of a rumor matters, I heard that Antonius Rex is really really mad at Lords for beating him repeatedly and now he's trying to play politics to get back at them!... wait a minute.

As for the {Godwin's Law} thing, LOL. You're seriously trying to drum up THAT of all things? You're just showing how desperate you are man. This is precisely the reason why many people dislike you, not even MS in general, just you. I mean, the whole thing started due to comments from a leader of MS! Guess we all better get on Hann Solo's ass for making light of the {Godwin's Law} Party... totally reasonable.

Edited by Adiuvo, 27 December 2014 - 10:08 PM.

[Antonius Rex]

Adiuvo, on 27 December 2014 - 08:35 PM, said:

lol, the rumor mill is pretty funny.

Wrong on all counts, btw.

I am just trying to clarify your falsehoods.

As far as I can tell, your statement is nearly entirely false. Kettle called, wanted to mention that you are black...

1. Steel Jaguar did indeed leave the CJF front. (you admit that yourself)

2. many of your highlight players did indeed leave the unit. regardless of what you consider your top 12. That list of players who have left is a pretty strong list of players. Many of which I would consider some of your best. Heimdelight, Atkinson, Writhen, Celyth, JP, Energy, and Kin3ticX are all players I feel would make your top 12. Perhaps I am wrong. Do you feel that list is not good enough to make your top 12? Either way, that is a huge chunk of your best. At least as far as I know.

3. Yet again, you agree with me that a rumour of Lords leaving CSJ is possible, regardless of its accuracy.

So, where exactly am I wrong on all accounts?

As far as the Lords and them posting numerous avatars and pictures of H itler doing his thing with the Jade Falcon logo on it.

Adiuvo, on 27 December 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

As for the {Godwin's Law} thing, LOL. You're seriously trying to drum up THAT of all things?

You are quoting a completely unrelated post from a reddit post from over a month ago. Long before both CW's implementation, and before the anti Semitic crap that Lords members have been posting.

Regardless, are you saying that the unrelated reference in that post gives you guys the right to be posting that crap?

Are the Lords in general ok with their members posting that hate filled garbage?

Do you in fact condone that possibly racist behaviour?

Edited by Antonius Rex, 27 December 2014 - 11:12 PM.

[Noesis]

[Adiuvo]

Antonius Rex, on 27 December 2014 - 10:53 PM, said:

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You're really not very good at the whole trolling thing.

[Kain Demos]

If this random MS dude hates Jade Falcon so much I don't see why he doesn't just join Steiner to get what he wants. That whole faction would unite behind the chance to push back against them. Most clan units are interested in Terra, not defending their back worlds against each other so you'r enot going to find much interest there.

[Commander A9]

Nothing to do?

Can't all Clan operatives defend other Clan worlds from attacks?

Aren't some Rasalhauge planets open to attack from the Ghost Bears right now?

[Adiuvo]

Commander A9, on 27 December 2014 - 11:27 PM, said:

Nothing to do?

Can't all Clan operatives defend other Clan worlds from attacks?

Aren't some Rasalhauge planets open to attack from the Ghost Bears right now?

Shh, he won't like it if you peel back the curtain

[Mordin Ashe]

Well, since we mostly get 1 or 2 planets per day and quite many people struggle with finding matches... The problem is finding oponents though, so CGB vs Steiner would probably be the best we could do and simply ignore CJF. It would slice another chunk of IS for us and we wouldn't risk relations with CW.

[Antonius Rex]

@ Kain Thul, and Commander A9

to be clear, for something like the 6th time, we want to open up another attack lane for all of ghost bear. It's not that we hate CJF, its that we want someone else to fight. If it can't be the Turkeys, then the only other option really is wolf. If we only wanted to fight the Turkey;s, you're right, we would just go Steiner and be done with it. But that is not the goal. The goal is to create another attack lane that we can send the increasingly large hoarde of Bears at. As only having two lanes is currently insufficient.

As of tonight's final results, GB stands at 100% on both the Kurita and FRR fronts. Little of value was sent to defend us from the entirety of the Inner Sphere. Much sadness.

As far as joint defenses of other Clan units go, there was literally nothing to defend. Repeat, absolutely nothing to defend. Not one battle to be had defending our Clan brothers. Trust us, we looked for them. We wanted to find something. But alas, there was nothing.

We are trying to find a solution to this problem that doesn't involve us starting a war with the Wolves. You guys saying screw you go find something else to do, when there literally is nothing else to do, isn't really being productive. As mentioned many times previously, we are trying to work with you guys, openly and with constructive conversation.

@ Aduivo

Adiuvo, on 27 December 2014 - 11:22 PM, said:

You're really not very good at the whole trolling thing.

Very true, I am not. Personally, I find trolling to be disrespectful and unsportsmanlike, and do not partake in the actions that apparently are a requirement for membership with the Lords.

But Adiuvo, you haven't answered my questions.

Are the Lords in general ok with their members posting that hate filled garbage? (specifically all those posts involving Nazii symbolism mixed with the CJF logo)

Furthermore, do you, Aduivo, condone such possibly racist actions and comments?

Edited by Antonius Rex, 28 December 2014 - 12:21 AM.

[Adiuvo]

Antonius Rex, on 28 December 2014 - 12:19 AM, said:

Very true, I am not. Personally, I find trolling to be disrespectful and unsportsmanlike, and do not partake in the actions that apparently are a requirement for membership with the Lords.