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[KharnZor]

Votanin FleshRender, on 17 December 2014 - 12:18 PM, said:

Defense is all about laying pain! Wish I could ever get to play defense, my limited drops have all been offense so far.

I'm talking about being on offense, and specifically Zerg rush attacks.

As a merc, I don't take pride in wins, so don't appeal to my sense of honor, I have none. I take pride in a large bank account.

I'm a merc, in a merc unit currently aligned to clan wolf on a two week contract and i also take pride in a large bank account (i've never had one but i look forward to the day when i do) I take great pride in my wins because i get paid ALOT for them (i have no self control. i must buy all the small lasers i can). I've only lost a few games (less than 15 i think) on either side and i attribute that to the fact i'm in a unit.

[Sandpit]

Jacob Side, on 17 December 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

great we got puggers throwing matches that's just freaking awesome

Like I said, it won't last. Players like that will get drummed out, and units will take over. Players like that? They're just another vocal minority who want to try and use their "logic" to defend cheating.

If you see players doing that and you see them doing it repetitively, just report them. let PGI looks and see if they have a patter of it and let PGI deal with it. They'll never be a big enough "force" to affect CW in any significant way.

Just like you should really report those advocating "Throwing matches because my employer made me do it" here. Those types of players are what we used to call "rule lawyers" in TT gaming. They think that every rule and loophole should be written specifically otherwise it's "ok" to cheat at them.

Just because it's not "written law" doesn't mean you're not breaking the spirit of the rules.

Like I said, just report dbag players in general. It'll make the whole game much better overall

OldOrgandonor, on 17 December 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

Too bad they don't set it up similar to the original MW. If you start failing missions, your reputation goes down, and soon no one will hire you or your merc outfit for jobs. There goes your source of income entirely. Maybe you could get a job at Arby's, since they are apparently alive and well in the 31st century.

Your employer hired you to take a planet. He doesn't give a flying duece out of a shaved monkey's @zz how many mechs you kill. He wants the planet.

Use LP in the same way. You start losing a bunch of matches, your reputation gets sunk and your rewards go even lower. Problem solved. Someone should bring that up to Russ tonight. I can't make it to the Townhall

[Rizzwind]

OldOrgandonor, on 17 December 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

Too bad they don't set it up similar to the original MW. If you start failing missions, your reputation goes down, and soon no one will hire you or your merc outfit for jobs. There goes your source of income entirely. Maybe you could get a job at Arby's, since they are apparently alive and well in the 31st century.

Your employer hired you to take a planet. He doesn't give a flying duece out of a shaved monkey's @zz how many mechs you kill. He wants the planet.

Then he should pay better.

[Davers]

Let us all take comfort knowing that Votanin is a Steiner. Hopefully he stays there. I am sure all the defenders enjoy making big Cbill rewards on their victories against him.

[Sandpit]

James T Kirk., on 17 December 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

Then he should pay better.

see what I mean? lol
I can cheat the spirit of the rules and intention of the game because it's "justified" somehow.

Cheating is cheating. Hope you get yours someday sir

[Revis Volek]

Jun Watarase, on 17 December 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

The new popular tactic i'm seeing groups do when they are on the attacking side is this : dont bother going after the generator. Instead, boat long ranged weapons and camp outside the gates, then drag the game out to a 30 minute snore fest.

Maybe do a last ditched push when theres 5 mins left on the timer.

Sure, you have a pretty much 100% chance of losing but ironically, this gives you more rewards than killing the generator. Go figure.

Speak for yourself, I have lost 2 games of CW since 6 days ago!!!


NO chance of winning.....pffff maybe for you!

[Deathlike]

Votanin FleshRender, on 17 December 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

I am absolutely not trying to lose on purpose, where did I say that?

I'm doing what my employer is paying me to do, kill the enemy. If winning was what was paramount to my employer, then winning would pay a lot and killing would pay very little.

*writes note to self*

Attack money hungry Steiner units ASAP.

[Intrepid]

Anyone else amused that the OP, a known disconnecter mind you, was the first to whine about attackers rushing the cannon and yet is now whining about attackers actually fighting? Cognitive dissonance sure is funny!

[Revis Volek]

Jacob Side, on 17 December 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

great we got puggers throwing matches that's just freaking awesome

Was there any doubt in your mind they were doing anything else?

Its not worse then the whole group of IS guys who still scream "CLAMS ARE OP YO!" and wont dare defend or attack a planet near our zones because they think they are making a statement or protesting or something lame. Or who say "ATTAKERS CANT WIN" and also those who more then likely cant find a unit to play with for numerous reasons.

Votanin, if you dont WIN games you will never GET those rewards. Any idea how many loyalty points and additional cbills you get for a loss?

Zero!

Edited by DarthRevis, 17 December 2014 - 01:46 PM.

[Rizzwind]

Sandpit, on 17 December 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

see what I mean? lol
I can cheat the spirit of the rules and intention of the game because it's "justified" somehow.

Cheating is cheating. Hope you get yours someday sir

I'll play it right when it's not in beta if it's made right.

DarthRevis, on 17 December 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

Was there any doubt in your mind they were doing anything else?

Its not worse then the whole group of IS guys who still scream "CLAMS ARE OP YO!" and wont dare defend or attack a planet near our zones because they think they are making a statement or protesting or something lame. Or who say "ATTAKERS CANT WIN" and also those who more then likely cant find a unit to play with for numerous reasons.

Votanin, if you dont WIN games you will never GET those rewards. Any idea how many loyalty points and additional cbills you get for a loss?

Zero!

1200LP my last lost and 412,000 C-bills last win 50k and 50p yea light rush.

[Deathlike]

DarthRevis, on 17 December 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

Was there any doubt in your mind they were doing anything else?

Its not worse then the whole group of IS guys who still scream "CLAMS ARE OP YO!" and wont dare defend or attack a planet near our zones because they think they are making a statement or protesting or something lame. Or who say "ATTAKERS CANT WIN" and also those who more then likely cant find a unit to play with for numerous reasons.

Votanin, if you dont WIN games you will never GET those rewards. Any idea how many loyalty points and additional cbills you get for a loss?

Zero!

TBH, the "rewards" for fighting it out (primarily on defense) is more lucrative than going on attack. Killing 48 mechs pads C-bills, XP, and Loyalty points like nothing else.

The current set of problems for attack is actually not being lucrative at all. Think of it like capping on Assault. The planets don't give you a "tribute" of sorts, so the value of a planet is technically "non-existent".

You would be surprised if you checked how much one makes out on defense vs offense. Even the contract buff doesn't really compensate for that.. if anything, the contract buff only works best for holding a base.

[Votanin FleshRender]

Omfg, overreact much? Where o where did I say I wasn't trying to win? I'd love to win a game! My point was, there is no incentive for mercs/soloers to Zerg rush.

Report me for.... trying to kill the defenders? In what convuluted mentality is that cheating?

@DarthRevis
One of my few drops was a counterattack against you guys last night. I had the most damage/kills/etc on my team (I think) and was paid just fine in cbills/LP despite your unit handling us quite easily. Damn you guys were rough on us

@Davers
I'm a Steiner, for now! . Next week no telling what I'll be! Wait...what factions got the reward boost again?

Stop getting your panties in a twist, guys. An RP aspect is what everyone wanted, and mercs are well used to being hated/despised, and keep getting jobs just fine.

EDIT - and I do agree that I think Lowering cbill earnings and loyalty point earnings for losing a lot is a great idea.

Edited by Votanin FleshRender, 17 December 2014 - 02:18 PM.

[Jody Von Jedi]

OldOrgandonor, on 17 December 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

Your employer hired you to take a planet. He doesn't give a flying duece out of a shaved monkey's @zz how many mechs you kill. He wants the planet.

I see the OP's and Votanin's point. If the "employer" were really concerned about taking the planet, it would pay a much bigger reward to the Mercenary for actually taking the planet.

Instead he's being rewarded for piece work. It's like working in a garment factory and being paid for for each garment you make, while at the same time, all of the industry is moving overseas.

Give the Merc a reward for capturing the planet that is larger than he'd make from just destroying mechs.

Like you, I'm a Faction Loyalist, so I want to win territory back we lost and expand our territory. You and I have a different reason for playing CW.

The Merc has no loyalty.

[Votanin FleshRender]

Jody Von Jedi, on 17 December 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

The Merc has no loyalty.

TAKE THAT BACK!

I have a lot of loyalty.... To that sweet sweet bling.

[Unnatural Growth]

I know the point he's trying to make, and believe me, I know all about piece work. But as "your employer", if you don't take the planet, I'm not paying you squat. The market will only bear what the market will bear (in this case PGI has set the market-and I would like to see that change-Yay, BETA!).

But like any service provider, if you take the contract, you have to provide the service. In this case it's Take the Planet. As your employer, if you fail to take the planet, I will remember you, and not hire you again. Your reputation will suffer, and soon you will not be able to get any contracts at all, let alone "good" ones. That is how it should be working.

All that aside, I too would love to see increased payouts pretty much all across the game, not just CW. I think the economy is too tight. So I agree with wanting more Cbills, but I do not agree with the method.

[Jody Von Jedi]

Votanin FleshRender, on 17 December 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

TAKE THAT BACK!

I have a lot of loyalty.... To that sweet sweet bling.

I stand corrected. His loyalty is to himself.

[Votanin FleshRender]

OldOrgandonor, on 17 December 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

I know the point he's trying to make, and believe me, I know all about piece work. But as "your employer", if you don't take the planet, I'm not paying you squat. The market will only bear what the market will bear (in this case PGI has set the market-and I would like to see that change-Yay, BETA!).

But like any service provider, if you take the contract, you have to provide the service. In this case it's Take the Planet. As your employer, if you fail to take the planet, I will remember you, and not hire you again. Your reputation will suffer, and soon you will not be able to get any contracts at all, let alone "good" ones. That is how it should be working.

All that aside, I too would love to see increased payouts pretty much all across the game, not just CW. I think the economy is too tight. So I agree with wanting more Cbills, but I do not agree with the method.

I happen to agree with you. If an attacker is supposed to be paid for winning, then DEincentivice damage/kills. What they should do is cut earnings for the losing team by 75%, or x10 the rewards for a win (not counting damage/kills/etc). I averaged 350-400k, I think, on all my losses so far.

[L Y N X]

Jun Watarase, on 17 December 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

The point of CW is to win and take planets. Killing the generator achieves that, losing on purpose doesn't.

What's flawed is that winning gives you much lower rewards than losing because you wanted to get a high kill count.

QFT.

[pwnface]

Jun Watarase, on 17 December 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

If all you want is c-bills then logically speaking you shouldn't play CW. Because the public queue offers you far higher c-bill per hour rewards.

I'm not entirely sure this is true, I've had a few 900,000 cbill matches so far plus 75,000 post game from faction rewards. That is nearly 1 million c-bills for a 30 minute match.

[Unnatural Growth]

I think a win multiplier is a good idea. The earnings are so low, I don't like the idea of cutting any earnings as it stands now, but a multiplier for victory sounds good.