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[Time Bandit]

oldradagast, on 19 December 2014 - 02:14 PM, said:

Nobody is saying "12-mans shouldn't be allowed to play CW" or "I hate teamwork,"

I hate teamwork! I SAID IT..uh oh.

[Master Pain]

Rhazien, on 19 December 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

I call BS on this particular part of your post. To say there are no groups in solo queue is a bold faced lie. I faced a 12 man last night. Concise points otherwise, but this comment, how did you say it? "is like shooting yourself in the foot".

How the hell did you face a 12 man in the solo queue. Even with sync drops, most of their team will be spread out to both teams in that match, with some probably in other matches too.

[Darth Futuza]

Time Bandit, on 19 December 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

I hate teamwork! I SAID IT..uh oh.

We need them to make a single player game sometime...then teamwork not necessary. Just bravado.

[Mystere]

ztac, on 19 December 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

12 mans can slaughter PUG's again ... hooray !
Is this what CW was all about ? Certainly feels that way . Still it's only redeeming feature is longer battle time and multiple drops ... other than that it is quite boring and gets very old very fast . 2 years and this is what is on offer?

Man up, Falcon, or we will snip your talons.

[oldradagast]

Aresye, on 19 December 2014 - 02:25 PM, said:

When we come across an enemy team of pugs, we usually offer Zellbrigen or 1on1 fights at the start. Usually this is met with a response along the lines of, "F*** you wolfie furry fa**ots 12man!!"

Wait, really?

Okay, props to you and your group. I'd be honored to be given such an offer in the face of such opposition, and I'd gladly die in that fight.

Seriously, it's nice to see some actual ROLE-PLAYING in CW amid what I sadly fear is turning into an epeen comparison contest.

[Averen]

Squally160, on 19 December 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

Those mechs got there because you all failed to be a unified team.

Nope. That was a very experienced premade. I've had matches where we've beaten premades, but those guys were just very skilled.

And they were tryharding as hell. Lots of clanmechs with JJs, ER-lasers, PPCs and overlapping fields of fire so even opening the gates was pretty difficult (which was btw a first to me). No chance in hell, especially on the ice map.

Aresye, on 19 December 2014 - 02:25 PM, said:

When we come across an enemy team of pugs, we usually offer Zellbrigen or 1on1 fights at the start.

You have my utmost respect, but are, in my experience, sadly an extreme minority.

Edited by Averen, 19 December 2014 - 02:32 PM.

[oldradagast]

Master Pain, on 19 December 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

How the hell did you face a 12 man in the solo queue. Even with sync drops, most of their team will be spread out to both teams in that match, with some probably in other matches too.

I think this was mis-communication.

There are NO groups in the solo queue... but there ARE groups in the public queue, but only if you're part of a group... at least last I heard... if that's changed, so be it... and if people are seeing behavior outside of what PGI is stating, report it as a bug.

[Averen]

oldradagast, on 19 December 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

I think this was mis-communication.

Probably just semantics. He calls the classics modes 'solo queue', which doesn't make that much sense, since CW has it's own solo queue.

pwnface, on 19 December 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

How do you think non-competitive 12man groups feel when they are matched against a 12-man HoL or SJR group? **** happens man! Pug/solo players will always be the lowest on the totem pole, there isn't a way around that.

With that mindset, we could just ban all forms of matchmaking and skillgroups. 'Beginners are always the lowest on the totem pole, there isn't away around that way'.

Edited by Averen, 19 December 2014 - 02:37 PM.

[Burakumin1979]

Voice comms for pugs? No thank you. Have you read the half-********, mouth-breathing, **** leakage coming out of these basement dwelling lowlifes just in chat?

Give a bullhorn to that?

In a unit, you can dispose of the trash (and I mean that as a complete insult of them as an actual person).

My ears are bleeding just thinking about it....

[Squally160]

oldradagast, on 19 December 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

I think this was mis-communication.

There are NO groups in the solo queue... but there ARE groups in the public queue, but only if you're part of a group... at least last I heard... if that's changed, so be it... and if people are seeing behavior outside of what PGI is stating, report it as a bug.

I think you are confused.

there are three ques:
Solo Que: No groups whatsoever
Groups Que: Uh, groups. 2-10, and 12
CW: solos, groups, premades, ravaging bands of hobbits, evil clanners. Basically, there is no restraint here.

so, if he dropped in the solo q and faced a 12 man, he didnt drop in the solo q.

[Gas Guzzler]

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Averen, on 19 December 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

You're really making a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid the actual issue. It's about larger, experienced premades being constantly set up against pugs.
And here is it again, the hypocrisy i'm talking about:
The point of TEAM BASED games is to play against other TEAMS, so the teamwork is a fight between two equal forces. In this situation, teamwork developes complexity and gets interesting. Planning and adaption becomes an neccessity.

Stomping pugs, whuich have inherently less coordination, is not what teamwork, or Community Warfare, is about. This isn't about PUGS and Premades, both can exist just fine in CW, it's about MATCHMAKING.

We are in beta.

[Thorn Hallis]

Good job people for making PGI rush CW. Now we have all the fun little things like spawn camping, buggy maps, exploitable objects and such. Good times.

[pwnface]

Rhazien, on 19 December 2014 - 02:23 PM, said:

I call BS on this particular part of your post. To say there are no groups in solo queue is a bold faced lie. I faced a 12 man last night. Concise points otherwise, but this comment, how did you say it? "is like shooting yourself in the foot".

I think you are misunderstanding what I mean by "solo queue". Solo queue as in NON-CW drops. If you are running into 12-mans in solo queue it is a huge bug because it has been explicitly stated that there are no groups in solo queue.

There is no "solo queue" for Community Warfare, just as there is no matchmaker in Community Warfare.

[Squally160]

Averen, on 19 December 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Probably just semantics. He calls the classics modes 'solo queue', which doesn't make that much sense, since CW has it's own solo queue.

CW allows solos to drop.
IT IS NOT A SOLO Q.
You will fill in as needed, be it to finish an 11 man team, or to fill in with 11 other pugs. to face whatever filled up on the otherside.

[Splitpin]

Averen, on 19 December 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

Stomping pugs, whuich have inherently less coordination, is not what teamwork, or Community Warfare, is about. This isn't about PUGS and Premades, both can exist just fine in CW, it's about MATCHMAKING.

I understand your point, you feel matching pugs against pugs and teams versus teams would fix the problem. But you are missing the point, that CW is primarily about teams v's teams, it's supposed to be end game content involving teams. The good thing in MWO though is that it is inclusive, anyone can play if they CHOOSE to. Contrast that to CW in WoT, where you HAVE to be in a team, and won't even get a look in unless you have Tier 10 fully tricked out tanks. Please don't beg for separate ques all you'll encourage is large teams swamping the solo que trying to sync drop so that their hard teamwork on planets isn't lost elsewhere. Better that the solo players get the chance to drop with teams.

[GroovYChickeN]

ugh. What is with people?

Both sides (solo/small group vs 12man) need to be able to enjoy CW. The whole CW is "hard" mode or what bullshit you like to spout does nothing but damage the possibility of this game continuing to succeed. CW will not work without everyone being able to participate and enjoy it at the same time.

Edited by GroovYChickeN, 19 December 2014 - 02:38 PM.

[GeistHrafn]

Averen, on 19 December 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Probably just semantics. He calls the classics modes 'solo queue', which doesn't make that much sense, since CW has it's own solo queue.

I apologize, yes, I meant as a two man drop. I realize in hindsight, this is not the "solo" queue. However, folks are not ONLY saying they have this problem as single PUGS, they also are mentioning in small groups. That was my intention.

[Roadbeer]

Thorn Hallis, on 19 December 2014 - 02:37 PM, said:

Good job people for making PGI rush CW. Now we have all the fun little things like spawn camping, buggy maps, exploitable objects and such. Good times.

Yes, god forbid we gave them 2 years past their initial announced release date. This is entirely our fault for their setting their own deadlines.

[pwnface]

Averen, on 19 December 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

With that mindset, we could just ban all forms of matchmaking and skillgroups. 'Beginners are always the lowest on the totem pole, there isn't away around that way'.

In case you didn't notice, there isn't a matchmaking system for CW. You queue against a 12 man on the same planet, you are fighting that 12 man. If you want to play matches in game mode that a matchmaker will try to pair you against opponents of equal skill, solo/group queue does that for you.

[Squally160]

GroovYChickeN, on 19 December 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

ugh. What is with people?

Both sides (solo/small group vs 12man) need to be able to enjoy CW. The whole CW is "hard" mode or what bullshit you like to spout does nothing be damage the possibility of this game continuing to succeed. CW will not work without everyone being able to participate and enjoy it at the same time.

The whole point of CW though is.... to fight, by any means necessary, to conquer/defend planets. splitting the ques removes that entirely. no longer is it an actual battle, its a series of games that means nothing if your "other side of the q" isnt doing their part.

As it is now? it promotes people working together, forming groups, running politics, assisting players, and generally BEING A COMMUNITY to move forward.

Im sorry, but if youre being stomped because the other side has big premades, your best choice is to match them in firepower, by building a big premade.