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#10521 Metus regem

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 09:56 AM

View PostOdanan, on 16 April 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

But no one can deny it is a very badly optimized mech. Engine too big, not enough armor, almost no weapons.
You can make 2 better mechs for the same cost.


True, very true... but it is workable in it's stock form though... Just not very good.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 10:20 AM

View PostMetus regem, on 16 April 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:


True, very true... but it is workable in it's stock form though... Just not very good.

or one can run a "stock" CGR-1A5 and have a BEAST CQB mech for the era. Of course, like the VTR or HBK, at range, you are ....less than desirable.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 10:29 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 16 April 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

or one can run a "stock" CGR-1A5 and have a BEAST CQB mech for the era. Of course, like the VTR or HBK, at range, you are ....less than desirable.

The CGR-1A5 is a whole different Charger...
(same case for the BNC-3E and BNC-3S)

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 10:32 AM

View PostOdanan, on 16 April 2015 - 10:29 AM, said:

The CGR-1A5 is a whole different Charger...
(same case for the BNC-3E and BNC-3S)



But still a Charger :)

I just looked it up, it's well done, and a nasty looking beast... might try one out later in MegaMek...

Edited by Metus regem, 16 April 2015 - 10:32 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2015 - 10:35 AM

View PostOdanan, on 16 April 2015 - 10:29 AM, said:

The CGR-1A5 is a whole different Charger...
(same case for the BNC-3E and BNC-3S)

Still a stock (aka canon variant) of the Charger though. Just like the BNC-3M, BNC-3L are all LEGAL stock play variants for tournament. Or how you have Stock MAD-3R, 3D, 3L, 3M. Etc.

View PostMetus regem, on 16 April 2015 - 10:32 AM, said:



But still a Charger :)

I just looked it up, it's well done, and a nasty looking beast... might try one out later in MegaMek...

Heh, try a city defense scenario, running 2 of them, and 2 HBK-4G. Might want to give the opfor some extra tonnage to make it fair. ;) I've found in CQB that Charger can tear an Atlas a new one.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 10:37 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 16 April 2015 - 10:35 AM, said:

Still a stock (aka canon variant) of the Charger though. Just like the BNC-3M, BNC-3L are all LEGAL stock play variants for tournament. Or how you have Stock MAD-3R, 3D, 3L, 3M. Etc.


Heh, try a city defense scenario, running 2 of them, and 2 HBK-4G. Might want to give the opfor some extra tonnage to make it fair. ;) I've found in CQB that Charger can tear an Atlas a new one.



I was thinking a map, that would let me be able to get the Charger room, to you know, charge! Really use that 4/6 movment to get the most out of the charge.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 10:43 AM

View PostMetus regem, on 16 April 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:



I was thinking a map, that would let me be able to get the Charger room, to you know, charge! Really use that 4/6 movment to get the most out of the charge.

ac20 and 2 srm6 are more useful....repeatable and do less damage to you. Plus good city maps have main boulevards, if you just have to charge...but why not use the junker standard for that?

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 12:13 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 16 April 2015 - 10:43 AM, said:

ac20 and 2 srm6 are more useful....repeatable and do less damage to you. Plus good city maps have main boulevards, if you just have to charge...but why not use the junker standard for that?


Fair enough

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 01:55 PM

View PostMetus regem, on 16 April 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:


Totaly get that, I've been my group's usual GM for the last six or seven years, but after my last Pathfinder campaign that took close to a year to wrap up, and even then I still rushed it a little at the end, I've been on a brake for about a year and a bit now... kind of miss being the GM...

But I know I need to let the others get their feet under them, and find the confidence in being the GM... I find that good GM's make great players, but grate players don't always make the best GM's...


I don't get how group manage this. My gaming group has been together for nearly 15 years now. I'm the only one that doesn't GM (I'm horrible at it) but each of the other 5 do and all of them run at least 2 campaigns. We alternate which campaign is run depending on who's available and to give GMS a rest between campaigns as life always has ways of interrupting or causing problems.

Running the same campaign session after session seems like a good way to kill a group and not to mention there's so much out there to play. How can you be limited to just one?

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 02:08 PM

View PostShadowbaneX, on 16 April 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

I don't get how group manage this. My gaming group has been together for nearly 15 years now. I'm the only one that doesn't GM (I'm horrible at it) but each of the other 5 do and all of them run at least 2 campaigns. We alternate which campaign is run depending on who's available and to give GMS a rest between campaigns as life always has ways of interrupting or causing problems.

Running the same campaign session after session seems like a good way to kill a group and not to mention there's so much out there to play. How can you be limited to just one?


Well often, the guy whom is up for GM'ing in that go, crafts a story and we play through it... It works for us, and it may not work for everyone else. That's not to say, that we don't run multiple campagins at once, usualy have a sub one going on when one or two of the guys are on ship, (We've got two guys on Active duty with the RCN [Royal Canadain Navy]) so we usually have one that we run when they are away.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 05:13 PM

Nah, man, I mean like we rotate by the week. Tonight it's Thief (based on the video game). Last week was MechWarrior 3050...perfor that MW 3025. There's the Matrix, Star Wars (one set in the Rise of the Rebellion, another in the Edge of the Empire system by Fantasy Flight. A system we call Heroes, but the only thing it has in common with the TV series is that people have super-powers. Pathfinder, 2nd ed D&D (a couple of them), nWoD, oWoD, Battlestar...and probably more. This weekend will be the Edge of the Empire or the nWoD Werewolf campaign depending on who wants to run.

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 05:52 PM

View PostShadowbaneX, on 16 April 2015 - 05:13 PM, said:

Nah, man, I mean like we rotate by the week. Tonight it's Thief (based on the video game). Last week was MechWarrior 3050...perfor that MW 3025. There's the Matrix, Star Wars (one set in the Rise of the Rebellion, another in the Edge of the Empire system by Fantasy Flight. A system we call Heroes, but the only thing it has in common with the TV series is that people have super-powers. Pathfinder, 2nd ed D&D (a couple of them), nWoD, oWoD, Battlestar...and probably more. This weekend will be the Edge of the Empire or the nWoD Werewolf campaign depending on who wants to run.


Wow, that's all I've got to say on that... Well aside from, how do you keep all your characters different, and knowing whom is whom?

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 09:36 PM

View PostShadowbaneX, on 16 April 2015 - 05:13 PM, said:

Nah, man, I mean like we rotate by the week. Tonight it's Thief (based on the video game). Last week was MechWarrior 3050...perfor that MW 3025. There's the Matrix, Star Wars (one set in the Rise of the Rebellion, another in the Edge of the Empire system by Fantasy Flight. A system we call Heroes, but the only thing it has in common with the TV series is that people have super-powers. Pathfinder, 2nd ed D&D (a couple of them), nWoD, oWoD, Battlestar...and probably more. This weekend will be the Edge of the Empire or the nWoD Werewolf campaign depending on who wants to run.

View PostMetus regem, on 16 April 2015 - 05:52 PM, said:


Wow, that's all I've got to say on that... Well aside from, how do you keep all your characters different, and knowing whom is whom?
Wow, that is intense! I was going to chime in with my group's proclivities, but I just been schooled. We do that level of variety, but we focus on completing a campaign before switching to the next GM. Old people need to focus on one story at a time.

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 06:57 AM

View PostBarHaid, on 16 April 2015 - 09:36 PM, said:

Wow, that is intense! I was going to chime in with my group's proclivities, but I just been schooled. We do that level of variety, but we focus on completing a campaign before switching to the next GM. Old people need to focus on one story at a time.


Hey! I'm not old..... Only 32.....

I just find it hard to have distinct character personalities for more than two or three characters at once.. then again I try to treat them as a person and not just a set of numbers on a sheet... but hey if you can do that for more than that, more power too you.

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 07:09 AM

Off (on?) topic:

New mechs in the gift store as of April 21, according to Town Hall.

Includes ECM Griffin <3

Other nifty and OP variants too.

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 07:12 AM

I see the Timber Wolf Alt. A, and Nova replacement Storm Crow, as the gifts before the Nerfs corrections take place...

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 07:35 AM

View PostVirlutris, on 17 April 2015 - 07:09 AM, said:

Off (on?) topic:

New mechs in the gift store as of April 21, according to Town Hall.

Includes ECM Griffin <3

Other nifty and OP variants too.

Ahhh finally!

(I've been buzzing Russ on Twitter for some time)

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 08:23 AM

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/griffin

Now (yes, I'm greedy for Griffins) I'd love a GRF-1DS (3049 btw), for some LPL goodness. :)

PGI pls?


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Posted 17 April 2015 - 12:00 PM

View PostBarHaid, on 16 April 2015 - 09:36 PM, said:

Wow, that is intense! I was going to chime in with my group's proclivities, but I just been schooled. We do that level of variety, but we focus on completing a campaign before switching to the next GM. Old people need to focus on one story at a time.


Did I mention the part we've been at this for nearly 15 years? Not exactly spring chickens here. Mostly this came up as a result of occasionally have a life, ie school, work, hobbies, etc. Not everyone could make it so rather than being forced to either npc the character or just cancel people just started up new campaigns.

That Matrix campaign I mentioned has been running since 2003 or 2004. Granted it doesn't get as run as much as it used to as its one of the 5 campaigns that involve all 6 members of the group but it's still going. It's really weird having characters that started out older than you but have only aged a few years and are now a decade or more younger than you are.

This way also has the added bomus of avoiding GM burn out as its very rare that GM'S will have to run more often than once every two weeks.

Oh, I also forgot to mention the campaigns I listed above are the ones I'm involved in...there's still a bunch more that were started up for when I'm unavailable.

As for characters e try to keep them varied, interesting and different but there are preferences and archetypes develop. That said it's also created a bit of side amusement as we watch TV, movies and other media we get to identify which other characters we see as belonging to which player.

edit: I suppose to get back on topic, new IS variants. LCT-3V is kinda interesting. I run mine with 4 MGs and an MPL. I suppose with this thing the 2 energy in the CT helps for me since I can load a pair of SPLs for a bit more DPS, but that's about it. For most people, I'm assuming they'd go with ER LLs, so, what's the point? I suppose you could make load in a pair of MPLs at the cost of a pair of MGs & some ammo.

Similarly the HGN-732b. Hey, it's great to get more Royal variants, but really, not seeing the point on this one. Only difference between this and the standard 732 is drop a pair of heat sinks, upgrade the rest to doubles, add in Artemis and a 3rd ML. Since the 732 has 3 energy slots in that RT, I'm not really seeing the point here.

Lastly, the Royal Griffin? Ok, that's relevant. A 55 ton ECM is going to be a nice response to the Hellbringer. I've got a feeling it's going to have bunches of SRMs and some MPLs for most people, though you better damned well believe that some are gonna load the thing with LRMs like a half-size DDC.

Edited by ShadowbaneX, 17 April 2015 - 01:32 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2015 - 07:35 PM

So, May 1st the Resistance Pack II will be announced. My (updated) bets are on:

View PostOdanan, on 12 November 2014 - 10:28 AM, said:

Comstar Clanbuster Resistance Pack II:

- Light: Mongoose (or Thorn) - if not Comstar themed, probably the Wolfhound
- Medium: Sentinel (or Wyvern, or Crab) - if not Comstar themed, could be any of these: Assassin, Dervish, Clint, Hermes II, or Vulcan
- Heavy: Black Knight
- Assault: Cyclops
Reinforcements/Reward: Mauler (maybe for owners of both top tier Resistance packs?) - Mauler variants are complicated, but a workaround is not impossible

Why it needs to be the Black Knight and the Cyclops? because they earned in the official heavy and assault polls. EDIT: And Russ said (16/April Townhall) both have the concept art done.

Edited by Odanan, 18 April 2015 - 07:54 PM.






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