Widowmaker1981, on 06 January 2016 - 05:15 AM, said:
Well, the arms on the Gyr are higher than i thought, but id definitely still say the NC would have higher ones - its quite a big part of its design ethos that it has no visible upper arm, which isnt the case for the Gyr. It doesnt matter than its only 1 arm on the NC with actuation, since that arm exists it would just be always used (unless PGI didnt release the C variant, but in that case the NC is nothing like as good and i wouldn't buy it).
However, both the
Night Gyr and the
Nova Cat do have visible upper arm structures - in the case of the
Nova Cat, those are the rectangular/boxy structures between the shoulder joints (where the pauldrons are) and the weapon mounts (where the weapon mounts are at/near the bottoms of the boxy upper arm structures).
Likewise, the
Night Gyr has cylindrical/rounded upper arm structures between its pauldrons & its weapon mounts.
"Having no visible upper arm" is the hallmark of designs like the
Rifleman and
JagerMech and
Blackjack (e.g., 'Mechs where the weapon mounts are at what would be the shoulder joint), and "having no visible upper arm" not part of the design ethos of either the
Nova Cat or the
Night Gyr (where, in both cases, the weapon mounts are clearly located well-away-from - and, more to the point,
well-below - the shoulder joints).
Widowmaker1981, on 06 January 2016 - 05:15 AM, said:
And you are wrong about the 50% (1 LAA) actuation being a 'far cry' from full actuation - it is NOT the distance the arms can move from the torso that is important for that, its the speed of tracking, which you get 100% of with only 1 LAA (50% of the distance, 100% of the speed compared to 2 LAAs) - and for clan ACs its so useful id argue its as good as high torso mounts, try the HGN-IIC-C for an example (the only mech currently in existence able to run 2 Clan UACs with lateral actuation, since there are no Omnis with 2+ B slots in one arm currently).
"Actuation" would necessarily include both range of motion AND speed of motion.
Most 'Mechs with LAAs in both arms have lateral arm movement ranges in the 20°-40° range, though a few (like the TBTs) are as low as 15° despite having both LAAs.
The VTRs (other than the 9K) have 10° lateral arm movement ranges, and the HGNs have either 10° or 20° lateral arm movement ranges. Is there a 'Mech with only one LAA with a lateral arm movement range that exceeds 20°?
So, referring to 'Mechs that both lack at least one LAA & lack the range of motion of most 'Mechs that do have both LAAs as "fully actuated" (which is distinct from being "fully articulated", which simply denotes whether the joints are present at all) is inaccurate, regardless of how quickly they might be able to track laterally within their (more-limited, versus most 'Mechs) range of lateral motion.
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