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#12501 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 11:14 AM

View Postcdlord, on 24 March 2016 - 05:53 AM, said:

If they can save the Kintaro, they can save the Anvil.

It's debatable whether or not the Kintaro actually was saved.

Made LESS Hideous than it's RoboChimp origins? Yes. Saved? Well, political correctness has lowered the bar for Salvation......

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 11:57 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 24 March 2016 - 11:11 AM, said:

Would love to see your "big thinking" edition. Posted Image

Nothing really bright, just brute force (AC20, 4xSRM6s).

Edited by Odanan, 24 March 2016 - 11:58 AM.


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Posted 24 March 2016 - 12:51 PM

View PostOdanan, on 24 March 2016 - 11:57 AM, said:

Nothing really bright, just brute force (AC20, 4xSRM6s).

so requires slow STD engine (70 kph with tweak?) extremely short range, hot running and ammo inefficient weapons, that don't focus damage well (aside from the AC) and have a slow cooldown? Even if I wanted the 20 (In my case, I don't) I'd still at least swap the SRM6 for aSRM4s to be much more efficient at killing things.

BALLISTIC COOLDOWN: 15.00 %
BALLISTIC VELOCITY: 15.00 %
MISSILE COOLDOWN: 25.00 %
MISSILE VELOCITY: 10.00 %
MISSILE HEAT GENERATION: -10.00 %
ACCELERATION RATE: 35.00 %
DECELERATION RATE: 35.00 %
TURN RATE: 15.00 %
TORSO TURN RATE (YAW): 35.00 %
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (CT): 23.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (LT): 16.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (RT): 16.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (LA): 12.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (RA): 12.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (LL): 16.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (RL): 16.00

With modules and fast fire, I'm popping those SRM4s every 1.75 seconds, in concentrated damage patterns, and my AC10 has approximately the same cooldown. For perfect twist and shoot symmetry. Pls I'm hitting out farther, and even my SRMs are effective farther out (srm spread like crazy by 200 meters).

IDK..I find the AC20/SRM6 puts up impressive potential paper damage, but isn't near the killer of the ac10/aSRM4.

Plus it seems that you either are skimping on armor, engine or ammo on yours. Plus with the structure buffs and agility, that 350xl really makes it purr.

Just my 2 ct.

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 01:24 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 24 March 2016 - 12:51 PM, said:

so requires slow STD engine (70 kph with tweak?) extremely short range, hot running and ammo inefficient weapons, that don't focus damage well (aside from the AC) and have a slow cooldown? Even if I wanted the 20 (In my case, I don't) I'd still at least swap the SRM6 for aSRM4s to be much more efficient at killing things.

BALLISTIC COOLDOWN: 15.00 %
BALLISTIC VELOCITY: 15.00 %
MISSILE COOLDOWN: 25.00 %
MISSILE VELOCITY: 10.00 %
MISSILE HEAT GENERATION: -10.00 %
ACCELERATION RATE: 35.00 %
DECELERATION RATE: 35.00 %
TURN RATE: 15.00 %
TORSO TURN RATE (YAW): 35.00 %
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (CT): 23.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (LT): 16.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (RT): 16.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (LA): 12.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (RA): 12.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (LL): 16.00
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (RL): 16.00

With modules and fast fire, I'm popping those SRM4s every 1.75 seconds, in concentrated damage patterns, and my AC10 has approximately the same cooldown. For perfect twist and shoot symmetry. Pls I'm hitting out farther, and even my SRMs are effective farther out (srm spread like crazy by 200 meters).

IDK..I find the AC20/SRM6 puts up impressive potential paper damage, but isn't near the killer of the ac10/aSRM4.

Plus it seems that you either are skimping on armor, engine or ammo on yours. Plus with the structure buffs and agility, that 350xl really makes it purr.

Just my 2 ct.

It's a different playing style. The "facehugger" Orion is not meant to skirmish, but to ambush or join pushes.

For the Orion, I find better to deliver the big alpha and then torso twist, instead of a more DPS damage. The thing with the AC/20 + 4SRM6s is: it will kill or severely cripple most mechs in 1 or 2 alphas (if they are already damaged or if you manage to backstab them).

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 02:33 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 23 March 2016 - 10:58 PM, said:

I think the Vulcan is a heck of a lot more unique looking.

True, however we could easily get both. Ones a heavy and the other (pray that I am right.) a Medium.
The Anvil is just an interesting blend in my mind and is ECM capable as well as a 3050's mech. We really need more modern mechs getting in game to help feel the importance of the timeline instead of wait 10 or 20 years and have a sudden boom in modern tech.

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 01:23 PM

Next IS Light? (Wait til you see it rigged and in motion. The Hip design is extra special)
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Concept Art by Bishop Steiner, 3D render work courtesy Kiriage

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 01:42 PM

Not only does it look awesome, it's also Marik A+ :P

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 02:29 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 25 March 2016 - 01:23 PM, said:

Next IS Light? (Wait til you see it rigged and in motion. The Hip design is extra special)

Concept Art by Bishop Steiner, 3D render work courtesy Kiriage

Wow! I didn't see that coming.

PS: it is a so good job that at the first glance I thought: "dang, PGI ninja announced the next light! (and it's nothing I was expecting)"

Edited by Odanan, 25 March 2016 - 02:29 PM.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 02:55 PM

View PostOdanan, on 25 March 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

Wow! I didn't see that coming.

PS: it is a so good job that at the first glance I thought: "dang, PGI ninja announced the next light! (and it's nothing I was expecting)"

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Can't wait til it's animated. Can't wait til it's at the printer.

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 04:28 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 25 March 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

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Can't wait til it's animated. Can't wait til it's at the printer.

Wow!

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 04:28 PM

So trying to figure out some variant options for the Mk.II here....the issue is the Primary and 2 config are from the 3062 dates, the others are all later and the 4 and 6 are from Dark Age plus hard lack of a hero option (IMO would be cool if they did the hero off a Diamond Shark or Clan Nova Cat Warrior)

So besides what is given in TRO's and Table top I thought to theroy craft a bit and looked at Mechwarrior Living Legends for some ideas. PGI might have to be creative here, even if using the 4 and 6 they are still a good ways out of the time line. One thing for a decade or so, another or 50+ years!

Mad Cat Mk.II (MC-MK-II)
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CT CLAN 360 XL JJ FF14DHS
LT 1x Missile 2x Energy (1x LRM 10, 2x ER-Medium Laser)
RT 1x Missile 2x Energy (1x LRM 10, 2x ER-Medium Laser)
LA 1x Ballistic (1x Clan Gauss)
RA 1x Ballistic (1x Clan Gauss)


Mad Cat Mk.II 2 (MC-MK-II-2)
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CT CLAN 360 XL JJ FF 14DHS
LT 2x Missile 1x Energy (2x SRM-4, 1 x ER-Medium Laser)
RT 2x Missile 1x Energy (2x SRM-4, 1 x ER-Medium Laser)
LA 1x Ballistic (1x Clan Gauss)
RA 1x Ballistic (1x LB 20-X AC)


Mad Cat Mk.II 4 (MC-MK-II-4)
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CT CLAN 360 XL JJ FF 14DHS
LT 1x Missile (1x LRM 15, Clan Active Probe)
RT 1x Missile (1x LRM 15)
LA 2x Energy (2x ER-Large Laser)
RA 2x Energy (2x ER-Large Laser)


Mad Cat Mk.II 6 (MC-MK-II-6)
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CT Clan 360 XL JJ FF 14DHS
LT 2x Energy (2x ER-Medium)
RT 2x Energy (2x ER-Medium)
LA 1x Energy (1x ER-PPC)
RA 1x Energy (1x ER-PPC)


Madcat Mk.II Enhanced (Hero/Champion?)
CT Clan 360 XL JJ FF 14DHS
LT 1x Missile (1x LRM 10)
RT 1x Missile (1x LRM 10)
LA 2x Energy (1x ER-Large Pulse, 1x ER-Medium)
RA 2x Engery (1x ER-Large Pulse, 1x ER-Medium)


Mad Cat Mk.II " Beat Stick" (MC-MK-II-BS)
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(Hero/Champion?):Was a favorite among players used by many in MW:LL
CT Clan 360 XL JJ FF 14DHS
LT 1x Ballistic(1x LB 10-X AC)
RT 1x Ballistic (1x LB 10-X AC)
LA 1x Ballistic (1x LB 20-X AC)
RA 1x Ballistic (1x LB 20-X AC)


Mad Cat Mk.II "Siege Engine" (MC-MK-II-SE)
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CT Clan 360 XL JJ FF 14DHS
LT 1x Missile (1x LRM 20)
RT 1x Missile (1x LRM 20)
LA 2x Ballistic (2x UAC 5)
RA 2x Ballistic (2x UAC 5)


Mad Cat Mk.II ALT B (MC-MK-II-B )
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CT Clan 360 XL JJ FF 14DHS
LT 2x Missile (2x SSRM 6)
RT 2x Missile (2x SSRM 6)
LA 1x Ballistic (1x UAC 20)
RA 1x Ballistic (1x UAC 20)

#12512 Odanan

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 04:54 PM

View PostCK16, on 25 March 2016 - 04:28 PM, said:

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Now that's another mech that deserves to be 3d printed... do you take orders?

BTW, I loved your secondary SSRMs racks.

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 05:07 PM

Thanks, If I could find someone to print it I would, but its also scaled largely xD like...oh um....12ft+ tall maybe if 1 to 1 scale? lol

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 05:42 PM

View PostCK16, on 25 March 2016 - 05:07 PM, said:

Thanks, If I could find someone to print it I would, but its also scaled largely xD like...oh um....12ft+ tall maybe if 1 to 1 scale? lol

You can choose the size of the printing, I guess. Any 3d printing service might do.

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 05:47 PM

Ok lol, I wouldn't mind if someone took it and added on details though as well. Like the MWO style of detailing I just cant effectively at least at this time :?

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Posted 25 March 2016 - 10:53 PM

You know playing with the MW4 size, and a bit of paint work

Thing is not really that much taller then a Direwolf if they maintain similar portions

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 06:13 AM

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Oh. YEAH.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 26 March 2016 - 06:17 AM.


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 06:26 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 26 March 2016 - 06:13 AM, said:

Oh. YEAH.

This. Is. Very. Good!

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 06:27 AM

View PostOdanan, on 26 March 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

This. Is. Very. Good!

Kiriagi is amazing. It's almost like he tapped right into my brain and saw what I meant to draw, not what I actual did draw.

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 07:41 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 26 March 2016 - 06:13 AM, said:

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Oh. YEAH.

Wow, now that exact redesign i would like to have in the game.


(the original was complete meh)





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