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#14481 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 01:13 PM

View PostCathy, on 05 September 2016 - 12:44 PM, said:

They really did nail it, with the Wasp and stinger models, those legs though in this game wouldn't last long, so if a miracle happens and there every are these two wonderful mechs I'd be happy with drain pipe legs over bell bottoms as good as they are


Meh. When we start adding mechs and redesigning them solely for meta mech capability reasons, it just reaffirms my choice to no longer play this cesspool excuse of a game. I freely admit I only give a damn what is added because of how it impacts HBS. Seriosuly, it's like Perspicacity Park and Daver spushing to get the Awesome's PPCs pushed into shoulder mounts ala the KDK..... once we alter that last bit of actual battletech remaining in the game....wtf is the point?

This game? It's a broken hamster wheel that I would be happy to see put out of my misery if HBS didn't (for now) need the 3D assets.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 05 September 2016 - 01:14 PM.


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Posted 05 September 2016 - 02:34 PM

Well I hope HBS is all you hope it to be. I think many people will like it a great deal. Those that are looking for a virtual Battletech replica it will be a very pleased with that game I hope. Personally I like the fast paced nature of this game. Its not perfect but for many of us it is a great deal of fun.

The break for many comes from those that want a exact replica of the classic Battletech game. I just cant see how many of the technical aspects can be implemented in a modern 3D game. I used to play the game and have many of the books. I enjoyed the story line and many of the those books. But for me they are all just games to be enjoyed. Having played many games over the years the playability of a game trumps lore.

After only playing MechWarrior online for the last year I think its easier for me to like the current game. After reading the sometimes tortured past that this game has been through it must be rougher for Founders. Since I have been playing it seems like content has been flowing quite nicely. Every patch has more of the things that I see people asking for on the forums. One thing that surprises me is that with most gamers when they get tired of a game they move to a different game. Often they come back later when they can give it a fresh start. I can understand being burnt out but why not move on for a time?

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 12:48 AM

Love that Stinger, Bishop. Captures both the original feel perfectly _and_ would still fit right in with the MWO look.

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 04:57 AM

Today or tomorrow?


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Posted 06 September 2016 - 07:22 AM

View PostOdanan, on 06 September 2016 - 04:57 AM, said:

Today or tomorrow?




I'm honestly thinking it could be the Crusader or the Bushwacker, both fill all of PGI's criteria that we know of... Both have basic level 2 tech variants, both are fan favorites and both could be decent to good in MWO.... The Crusader might edge out the Bushwacker as that model could be lent to HBS for their up coming title as well...

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 07:53 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 01 September 2016 - 03:24 PM, said:

and if remotely true to source art? Thing is gonna be a Barndoor to make the Awesome get jealous.
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I think like the Annihilator, it's one of those TT designs that sadly won't translate nearly as well as one might hope. Unfortunatley.
You are more than likely correct in that assessment, but I still want them. Although, the Devastator roughly the size of the Atlas wouldn't be all that bad I don't think.

View PostBishop Steiner, on 05 September 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

Also just as a note, the HBS forums are pretty good, but do, IMO, go too far on moderation. The admin is extremely to the left and PC, and apparently posts with left leaning get a lot more leniency than those that disagree, and while getting outright banned is not easy (though pretty sure there are one or two around here up to the challenge) constant moderation of what would be totally non attention garnering posts on any other forum, end up in the nether there.

*shrugs* It's their forums, to enforce as they wish, and as a guest, one must abide, but it's worth noting.
Yeah, the moderation is a little on the draconian side over there. My posting habits have never been overly provocative anywhere and I have been moderated over there and sent verbal warnings 3 times already and I have ~25 posts. Rather absurd in my opinion.

#14487 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 08:12 AM

View PostOdanan, on 06 September 2016 - 04:57 AM, said:

Today or tomorrow?




Edited by Bishop Steiner, 06 September 2016 - 08:12 AM.


#14488 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 08:15 AM

View PostWarHippy, on 06 September 2016 - 07:53 AM, said:

Yeah, the moderation is a little on the draconian side over there. My posting habits have never been overly provocative anywhere and I have been moderated over there and sent verbal warnings 3 times already and I have ~25 posts. Rather absurd in my opinion.


Yup. Also funny to get a warning about politicizing a thread by responding to the Moderators highly politicized post. But disagreeing with him because of an extremely rose colored glasses, leftist opinion he holds over the value "political correctness".

Apparently it's OK to spread an agenda as long as it agrees with his.

*SMH*

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 08:45 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 06 September 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:


Yup. Also funny to get a warning about politicizing a thread by responding to the Moderators highly politicized post. But disagreeing with him because of an extremely rose colored glasses, leftist opinion he holds over the value "political correctness".

Apparently it's OK to spread an agenda as long as it agrees with his.

*SMH*

I generally avoid the political stuff on game forums just because games are my escape from the insanity(although that seems more and more difficult with the barrage of PC nonsense being flooded into the fabric of gaming), and because it always just gets me in trouble.

One of the times I was moderated was in the Ask the Devs section(which I didn't realize I was in when I responded to the Devs question). My post was removed and I was sent this lengthy reprimand and instructions to read rules etc.. The funny thing was when the Dev who asked the question responded to me and the OP after I clarified for the Dev what the OP was asking I was sent another PM from the mod to stop posting in Ask the Devs even though I hadn't posted anything since the first reprimand but because the dev responded to me my post reappeared and i was in violation.

I'm almost afraid to post over there now since I seem to draw the ire of the mods with my posting which at worst is usually only a little on the snarky side.

So that I am on topic here I'm thinking the new mech will be the Crusader. It just seems the most likely to me.

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 09:02 AM

View PostWarHippy, on 06 September 2016 - 08:45 AM, said:

I generally avoid the political stuff on game forums just because games are my escape from the insanity(although that seems more and more difficult with the barrage of PC nonsense being flooded into the fabric of gaming), and because it always just gets me in trouble.

One of the times I was moderated was in the Ask the Devs section(which I didn't realize I was in when I responded to the Devs question). My post was removed and I was sent this lengthy reprimand and instructions to read rules etc.. The funny thing was when the Dev who asked the question responded to me and the OP after I clarified for the Dev what the OP was asking I was sent another PM from the mod to stop posting in Ask the Devs even though I hadn't posted anything since the first reprimand but because the dev responded to me my post reappeared and i was in violation.

I'm almost afraid to post over there now since I seem to draw the ire of the mods with my posting which at worst is usually only a little on the snarky side.

So that I am on topic here I'm thinking the new mech will be the Crusader. It just seems the most likely to me.



I got moderated once over there for asking something in ask the DEV's but I was told:

"Please note this is not a reprimand, and we apologize for the inconvenience as the forum devs work towards new features to help better communicate in which sub-forum folks are replying to from the Recent Posts list "

#14491 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 09:05 AM

View PostWarHippy, on 06 September 2016 - 08:45 AM, said:

I generally avoid the political stuff on game forums just because games are my escape from the insanity(although that seems more and more difficult with the barrage of PC nonsense being flooded into the fabric of gaming), and because it always just gets me in trouble.

One of the times I was moderated was in the Ask the Devs section(which I didn't realize I was in when I responded to the Devs question). My post was removed and I was sent this lengthy reprimand and instructions to read rules etc.. The funny thing was when the Dev who asked the question responded to me and the OP after I clarified for the Dev what the OP was asking I was sent another PM from the mod to stop posting in Ask the Devs even though I hadn't posted anything since the first reprimand but because the dev responded to me my post reappeared and i was in violation.

I'm almost afraid to post over there now since I seem to draw the ire of the mods with my posting which at worst is usually only a little on the snarky side.

So that I am on topic here I'm thinking the new mech will be the Crusader. It just seems the most likely to me.

funnily enough, I don't do politics. I also don't do "political correctness". But by pointing out the bias toward overly PC Modding, I was given several lengthy wall of text PMs about political debating, trigger words, etc.

Pointing out that the Mods own wall of text post on the thread was in and of itself, politicizing the thread, and that most of the responses (from several other people) were in direct response to his rather naive worldview, and that if he really wanted to remove politics, he should delete or severely edit his own post, was not met with an enlightened attitude.

Not that I expected one. The one thing I have realized, long since, is that the only thing more closed minded than a Conservative, is a Liberal, because they are convinced that they ARE open minded.

Of course, most left leaning sorts takes this as an attack on them, when the reality is that it's condemning extremist leanings of all sorts as simply being opposite sides of the same close minded coin. Legislating "respect" has never actually fixed anything, or caused REAL mutual respect to spontaneously break out. In fact, it just tends to fan the embers beneath.

For real respect to occur, one has to stop fearing ideals that are different from their own, period, and likewise people have to stop pushing their own ideals off on others. There is a lot in life I don't agree with, but as long as it is not forced on me, I really don't care how others choose to lead their life. The moment someone else's beliefs directly interfere with my ability to practice mine, or vice versa, is when we have an issue.

But hey...I enough of this...too easy to wax philosophical... and in the end it ends up in conversations that resemble an Ouroboros, consuming itself with no constructive gain.

Let's get back to guessing what stompy robot we will see next, eh?

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View PostMetus regem, on 06 September 2016 - 09:02 AM, said:



I got moderated once over there for asking something in ask the DEV's but I was told:

"Please note this is not a reprimand, and we apologize for the inconvenience as the forum devs work towards new features to help better communicate in which sub-forum folks are replying to from the Recent Posts list "


I got no issues with being moderated. Happens here. Often it's deserved for one reason or another. Just has a feeling over there of being way too much a certain individuals personal fiefdom....

And unless you go full cheerleader like PH does over there, you'll probably lock horns.

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 09:19 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 06 September 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:


Apparently it's OK to spread an agenda as long as it agrees with his.




You just summarized the entire New PC Movement, Radical Feminism, and even, to a lesser extent, BLM in that sentence. You can say anything you want, as long as it is in support of the agenda that they have. Don't you dare say anything contrary, even if you have those pesky facts.

Hell, college campuses and their "safe space" nonsense makes me sick. Diversity of ideas, and how we can function in the face of it as reasonable adults, feels like it is going to the wayside. Posted Image



Edit:

More on topic, Stalking Spider for December 2016!! :P

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 06 September 2016 - 09:23 AM.


#14493 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 09:26 AM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 06 September 2016 - 09:19 AM, said:



You just summarized the entire New PC Movement, Radical Feminism, and even, to a lesser extent, BLM in that sentence. You can say anything you want, as long as it is in support of the agenda that they have. Don't you dare say anything contrary, even if you have those pesky facts.

Hell, college campuses and their "safe space" nonsense makes me sick. Diversity of ideas, and how we can function in the face of it as reasonable adults, feels like it is going to the wayside. Posted Image



Edit:

More on topic, Stalking Spider for December 2016!! Posted Image


Quad mechs are offensive to my ideology, so I must ask you to be moderated for violating my safe space with your post.

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 09:28 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 06 September 2016 - 09:05 AM, said:



I got no issues with being moderated. Happens here. Often it's deserved for one reason or another. Just has a feeling over there of being way too much a certain individuals personal fiefdom....

And unless you go full cheerleader like PH does over there, you'll probably lock horns.


Oh I've got no issue when it is deserved, but sometimes it can seem like other can get away with much more... I'm not a fan of that sort of thing... either the rules apply to all, or none at all.

That being said, back on topic, before our glorious green named overlord loses his mind...

Bushwacker or Charger for sure.

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 09:29 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 06 September 2016 - 09:26 AM, said:


Quad mechs are offensive to my ideology, so I must ask you to be moderated for violating my safe space with your post.


Hey, check your biped-privilege! I identify with quadrupedal mechanized combat vehicularity and I will not be oppressed!

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 09:42 AM

New mech leak from twitter:

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I think I see an autocannon in there....

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 06 September 2016 - 09:43 AM.


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Posted 06 September 2016 - 09:43 AM

Leak on the Kodiak CBills / PHawk MC post:
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Posted 06 September 2016 - 09:49 AM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 06 September 2016 - 09:42 AM, said:

New mech leak from twitter:

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I think I see an autocannon in there....

Don't look like any Autocannon in-game now.
5 tubes.
Probably a weird LRM5

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 09:50 AM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 06 September 2016 - 09:42 AM, said:

New mech leak from twitter:

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I think I see an autocannon in there....


I see a LRM/5 in there, and about the right shape for the Bushwackers LRM/5 arm too...

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 09:58 AM

It's the new mech... let's start searching for the other pieces... (so far I got nothing)

PS: there is a "hidden" image in Facebook, but it is smaller than the other (and poor quality).

Edited by Odanan, 06 September 2016 - 09:58 AM.






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