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[Karl Streiger]

Could be a Clan Mech for Is or a Is Mech for Clans - never done before

[DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley]

Karl Streiger, on 14 November 2016 - 01:55 PM, said:

Could be a Clan Mech for Is or a Is Mech for Clans - never done before

Those kind of expectations yes.

[CK16]

Hey guys, it's the Diashi and Mad Cat!.......*crickets*

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 14 November 2016 - 02:11 PM, said:

Hey guys, it's the Diashi and Mad Cat!.......*crickets*

http://www.sarna.net...hawk_(OmniMech)




http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Woodsman


There you go Dire Wolf 2.0 (Tomahawk) and Mad Cat 0.5 (Woodsman)

[Odanan]

Karl Streiger, on 14 November 2016 - 01:55 PM, said:

Could be a Clan Mech for Is or a Is Mech for Clans - never done before

Prometeus (Direwolf hero mech) for IS?

Nah, I think it's an IS omni mech, or (hopefully) an IS mech with melee weapon (my money on Hatchetman).

[Odanan]

FLG 01, on 14 November 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

When exactly did they say it is a Clan Mech?

They didn't.

We expected a 1:1 pattern, but the "never done before" thing makes it clear it will be an IS mech.

Unless it's a Clan omnimech with Std. Engine, which would be very disappointing!
(I'm sympathetic over the Kingfisher or the Lupus, but they would not be a reveal worth of the MechCon!)

[Uncle Totty]

Odanan, on 14 November 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

They didn't.

We expected a 1:1 pattern, but the "never done before" thing makes it clear it will be an IS mech.

Unless it's a Clan omnimech with Std. Engine, which would be very disappointing!
(I'm sympathetic over the Kingfisher or the Lupus, but they would not be a reveal worth of the MechCon!)

IS omnimech?

[Metus regem]

Odanan, on 14 November 2016 - 03:29 PM, said:

Prometeus (Direwolf hero mech) for IS?

Nah, I think it's an IS omni mech, or (hopefully) an IS mech with melee weapon (my money on Hatchetman).

The problem with IS Omni's is Gen-1 IS Omni's suck, with the exception of a couple that are decent and a few that might be okay, provided the are not boned due to art and hit boxes.

Generation 2 Omni's are better, but often have tech in them that are not in MWO, meaning that they would all have to be PGI variants.

Late Generation Omni's are well designed, but all use tech not in MWO, meaning that would all have to be PGI variants.

Early Bad IS Omni's:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Owens
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Strider

Early Decent IS Omni's:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Raptor
http://www.sarna.net...i/Black_Hawk-KU

Second Generation examples:
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Men_Shen
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hauptmann

Late Generation examples:
http://www.sarna.net...tlet_(OmniMech)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Templar_III

[Odanan]

Metus regem, on 14 November 2016 - 02:46 PM, said:

There you go Dire Wolf 2.0 (Tomahawk) and Mad Cat 0.5 (Woodsman)

The Tomahawk does nothing the Dire Wolf doesn't. Heck, it might be even worst of the Dire Wolf...

And the Woodsman... well, it pays heavily for that Std. Engine (less weapons and much slower than the Timber Wolf).

Two mechs I hope will never be in a MechWarrior game.

[DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley]

Odanan, on 14 November 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

They didn't.

We expected a 1:1 pattern, but the "never done before" thing makes it clear it will be an IS mech.

Unless it's a Clan omnimech with Std. Engine, which would be very disappointing!
(I'm sympathetic over the Kingfisher or the Lupus, but they would not be a reveal worth of the MechCon!)

None of those are MechCon worthy. Never done before does not make clear it's IS. Probably the first mech to have selectable custom non paintable geometry. That topic went super hush hush.

Edited by DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley, 14 November 2016 - 03:47 PM.

[Odanan]

Metus regem, on 14 November 2016 - 03:39 PM, said:

The problem with IS Omni's is Gen-1 IS Omni's suck, with the exception of a couple that are decent and a few that might be okay, provided the are not boned due to art and hit boxes.

Generation 2 Omni's are better, but often have tech in them that are not in MWO, meaning that they would all have to be PGI variants.

Late Generation Omni's are well designed, but all use tech not in MWO, meaning that would all have to be PGI variants.

Early Bad IS Omni's:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Owens
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Strider

Early Decent IS Omni's:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Raptor
http://www.sarna.net...i/Black_Hawk-KU

Second Generation examples:
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Men_Shen
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hauptmann

Late Generation examples:
http://www.sarna.net...tlet_(OmniMech)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Templar_III

Sunder (3056) and Avatar (3056) are also great first gen IS omnimechs, and kind of famous.

Oh, that would be a great pack, don't you think?
Raptor (light), Men-Shen (medium), Avatar (heavy) and Sunder (assault).
(the same I suggest back in 2014 in this thread)

Raptor (light), Men-Shen (medium), Avatar (heavy) and Sunder (assault)

Edited by Odanan, 14 November 2016 - 03:59 PM.

[Odanan]

Well, since we are in the realm of far-fetched possibilities, it could be the Naga (with Arrow IV).
Sure, that would require: completely new weapon mechanic, potentially very OP and severe changes in the mechlab (a weapon fitting in 2 locations at the same time).

[Metus regem]

Odanan, on 14 November 2016 - 03:51 PM, said:

Sunder (3056) and Avatar (3056) are also great first gen IS omnimechs, and kind of famous.

Oh, that would be a great pack, don't you think?
Raptor (light), Men-Shen (medium), Avatar (heavy) and Sunder (assault).
(the same I suggest back in 2014 in this thread)

Raptor (light), Men-Shen (medium), Avatar (heavy) and Sunder (assault)

Honestly, if they are going to take IS Omni-mechs....

Arctic Fox (30t gun-bag light)
Men Shen
Deva
Archangel

[Odanan]

Metus regem, on 14 November 2016 - 05:00 PM, said:

Honestly, if they are going to take IS Omni-mechs....

Arctic Fox (30t gun-bag light)
Men Shen
Deva
Archangel

The Celestial omnimechs are from the later 3060's and have all sort of dumb high-tech weapons (most we will never see in this game). And they are not even that good...

There will be years and years before those will come to the game (if they ever come).

[Metus regem]

Odanan, on 14 November 2016 - 05:32 PM, said:

The Celestial omnimechs are from the later 3060's and have all sort of dumb high-tech weapons (most we will never see in this game). And they are not even that good...

There will be years and years before those will come to the game (if they ever come).

The irony with them is with our current Tech, they would actually be better... Like rather than a compact engine, the archangel could use a standard and save weight....

[DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley]

If we're are going to talk about stuff never to be in the game then let's discuss the Omega!

[TheArisen]

Well Dec is slated for Clan technically so what aside from the Naga & it's Arrow IVs could it be? Something weak like a std engine omni?

The first mech with custom cosmetic geometry would be mech con worthy I think.

[DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley]

TheArisen, on 14 November 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:

Well Dec is slated for Clan technically so what aside from the Naga & it's Arrow IVs could it be? Something weak like a std engine omni?

The first mech with custom cosmetic geometry would be mech con worthy I think.

Yup like I said think how russ announced the clan hero pack.

My bet is on custom geometry mech. If it sales well they may add this feature to other mechs. This is the kind of ransom advertising they are known for and I'm used to at this point.

[TheArisen]

DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley, on 14 November 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

Yup like I said think how russ announced the clan hero pack.

My bet is on custom geometry mech. If it sales well they may add this feature to other mechs. This is the kind of ransom advertising they are known for and I'm used to at this point.

Well CCG is a desired by many and had overwhelming support when it was being discussed.

[FLG 01]

The early IS Omnis are a good bet.

They do not require new Tech at all (Black Hawk e.g. has 5 canon variants possible with MWO - more than what we are used to by now...). And they do not require new mechanics like melee or quads would.
They are objectively new and they have a certain appeal, even if the first generation is less than perfect. It is not like every early IS Omni is bad either.

I would not be overly thrilled, but I have to admit I would love to tinker with an IS Omni even if only for a while. However, like there are BattleMechs I do not care for, there are OmniMechs I do not care for: Sunder = no thanks; Avatar = perhaps; Black Hawk = probably yes. This is partially based on expected performance in MWO and, to a greater part, on lore and nostalgia.