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[Juodas Varnas]

Pariah Devalis, on 12 January 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

Weapon geometry seems really promising.
The AC looks really good especially.

None of that "barrel sticking out of a square block" look that plagues so many mechs.
Wondering how different-sized missile launchers will look like.

[Pariah Devalis]

Juodas Varnas, on 12 January 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

Weapon geometry seems really promising.
The AC looks really good especially.

None of that "barrel sticking out of a square block" look that plagues so many mechs.
Wondering how different-sized missile launchers will look like.

I still think it is only half of a mech, though. It's clearly missing two legs and a re-designation to Barghest.

[Bishop Steiner]

Juodas Varnas, on 12 January 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

None of that "barrel sticking out of a square block" look that plagues so many mechs.

*COUGHENFORCERCOUGH*

[Juodas Varnas]

Bishop Steiner, on 12 January 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

*COUGHENFORCERCOUGH*

Centurion's arms look worse though, but yeah.

[Bishop Steiner]

Juodas Varnas, on 12 January 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

Centurion's arms look worse though, but yeah.

nahnahnahnahnahnahnotlisteningnahnahnahnahnahnah (my poor centurion... Awesome looks terribad too, with it's PPCs)

[Juodas Varnas]

Bishop Steiner, on 12 January 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

nahnahnahnahnahnahnotlisteningnahnahnahnahnahnah (my poor centurion... Awesome looks terribad too, with it's PPCs)

[Uncle Totty]

Uncle Totty, on 12 January 2017 - 01:25 PM, said:

They did something this week!

(So now it feels a little less dead.)

I will take that back. They have not done **** this week, just try to make it look like they did.

[ShadowbaneX]

Metus regem, on 12 January 2017 - 08:00 AM, said:

Ask and you shall receive...[snip]

Not a bad rendition, but it's a bit different from the one in the campaign. It uses a standard engine, so it's slower (3/5/3), but then as an AA unit, it's designed to jump itself into a good position to defend against air attacks, and less as a mobile weapons platform. The easy math is to drop the SRM6 (3 tons) & it's ammo (1 ton) to give enough tonnage to upgrade the uAC/5s (9t) to the LB-10/Xs (11t). It's already got 4 tons of ammo bins for the uACs, which is about what you'd want for the LB-10/Xs. I'm just not sure if you'd go for an even split between Standard and Cluster, or go 3 tons Standard and 1 ton Cluster.

Another possibility is to drop half a ton of armour and add in some Endo-Steel, but that would be very, very expensive, as it costs 50,000 c-bills to change a single crit slot, so about 750,000 c-bills. The Endo-Steel would pretty much double the price (Endo-Steel takes up 11 crits in the campaign, but there's the cost of the new Chassis on top of the crit slot changes).

[Karl Streiger]

Juodas Varnas, on 12 January 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

Weapon geometry seems really promising.
The AC looks really good especially.

None of that "barrel sticking out of a square block" look that plagues so many mechs.
Wondering how different-sized missile launchers will look like.

same for the large laser - could it be that they did some rework and start to deliver "models" for each lasertype?
The Large Laser almost has the size of the AC - and its not the usual square on a "something" like for Mauler and Wolfhound.

The missile tubes look fantastic either.....

Well I don't know how it would look with more missiles or with more ballistics but the Stock Bushwacker is a beauty (2nd missile tube on Archer arms )

Edited by Karl Streiger, 13 January 2017 - 12:56 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

Karl Streiger, on 13 January 2017 - 12:54 AM, said:

same for the large laser - could it be that they did some rework and start to deliver "models" for each lasertype?
The Large Laser almost has the size of the AC - and its not the usual square on a "something" like for Mauler and Wolfhound.

Eeeeeh...
I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Metus regem]

ShadowbaneX, on 12 January 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

Not a bad rendition, but it's a bit different from the one in the campaign. It uses a standard engine, so it's slower (3/5/3), but then as an AA unit, it's designed to jump itself into a good position to defend against air attacks, and less as a mobile weapons platform. The easy math is to drop the SRM6 (3 tons) & it's ammo (1 ton) to give enough tonnage to upgrade the uAC/5s (9t) to the LB-10/Xs (11t). It's already got 4 tons of ammo bins for the uACs, which is about what you'd want for the LB-10/Xs. I'm just not sure if you'd go for an even split between Standard and Cluster, or go 3 tons Standard and 1 ton Cluster.

Another possibility is to drop half a ton of armour and add in some Endo-Steel, but that would be very, very expensive, as it costs 50,000 c-bills to change a single crit slot, so about 750,000 c-bills. The Endo-Steel would pretty much double the price (Endo-Steel takes up 11 crits in the campaign, but there's the cost of the new Chassis on top of the crit slot changes).

heh... you want to talk expensive mechs?

In a campgain I had a character start with a WHM-6R, by the end of the campgain, that mech had become this:

Spoiler

Warhammer "The Vampire" WHM-6X

Mass: 70 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 12,182,200 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,688

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 280 Light Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Stealth Armor
Armament:
2 Binary Laser Cannons
2 Medium X-Pulse Lasers
1 SRM-4 w/ Artemis IV FCS
2 Machine Guns
1 Guardian ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard 107 points 7.00
Engine: Light Fusion Engine 280 12.00
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LA, 1 RA
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Stealth Armor AV - 208 13.00
Armor Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 22 32
Center Torso (rear) 9
L/R Torso 15 22
L/R Torso (rear) 8
L/R Arm 11 22
L/R Leg 15 27

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Guardian ECM Suite CT 0 2 1.50
Machine Gun RT 0 1 0.50
Medium X-Pulse Laser RT 6 1 2.00
Machine Gun LT 0 1 0.50
Medium X-Pulse Laser LT 6 1 2.00
SRM-4 LT 3 1 2.00
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
Binary Laser Cannon RA 16 4 9.00
Binary Laser Cannon LA 16 4 9.00
@MG (1/2) (100) RT - 1 0.50
@SRM-4 (Artemis) (25) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 9

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 17
4 3 3 0 0 3 2 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: ECM, STL, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA
Design quirks:
Improved Cooling jackets on the Blazers
EM interference from the X-puls lasers, they disable the ECM and stealth armour for two turns after useage
Difficult to eject
Difficult to maintain

Granted it's not a huge cost jump between that and a 6R, but my character, and the unit. easily spent close to 20 million c-bills getting her tweaked and out fitted, not to mention useing some items that were given to us in lieu of payment to get it into what she became. Also worth keeping in mind, in that campaign I was the last person to get into a clan mech... my Vampire lasted a long, long time, until she was rendered un-salvageable in combat.. she was eventually replaced with a Warhammer IIC-4

[CK16]

I wonder how with the Bushwacker model is, how the Barghest would look like...guess we will find out how it might soon >.>

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 13 January 2017 - 08:24 AM, said:

I wonder how with the Bushwacker model is, how the Barghest would look like...guess we will find out how it might soon >.>

I'm more interested in the hit boxes, well the ST/CT/Arm hit boxes mostly...

As I wounder about the arms/shoulder areas on it, how much of it will be arm or ST, as that will really effect the XL nature of it... I already know she's going to have long ST's from the side, but I wonder how they are going to look from the front, is she going to be 90% CT from the front like the Mad Dog (under the missile boxes) and Stalker, or is she going to have a more even split?

[ShadowbaneX]

Metus regem, on 13 January 2017 - 08:06 AM, said:

heh... you want to talk expensive mechs?

In a campgain I had a character start with a WHM-6R, by the end of the campgain, that mech had become this:

Granted it's not a huge cost jump between that and a 6R, but my character, and the unit. easily spent close to 20 million c-bills getting her tweaked and out fitted, not to mention useing some items that were given to us in lieu of payment to get it into what she became. Also worth keeping in mind, in that campaign I was the last person to get into a clan mech... my Vampire lasted a long, long time, until she was rendered un-salvageable in combat.. she was eventually replaced with a Warhammer IIC-4

True, that is quite the custom build, but the GM in this case is working to keep this a bit more lean. As in it would have been a lot of work to swing the upgrades mentioned let alone the upgraded version you originally suggested.

It is also an eclectic lance. We have a Firebee with a quartet of SRM2s and an ER PPC; a Wyvern, with a variety of lasers and Artemis enabled missiles; and my mech, a Osprey with an LB-10/X, an LRM 10 and a pair of MPLs.

It'd be nice to go insane and have tens of millions of c-bills into our mech, although (shudder) clan mechs. The Clans aren't around yet...just stories of pirates or raiders or something on the Rim at the moment. Still, I've got a few ideas in mind if we do happen into an unlimited budget.

[Metus regem]

ShadowbaneX, on 13 January 2017 - 08:49 AM, said:

True, that is quite the custom build, but the GM in this case is working to keep this a bit more lean. As in it would have been a lot of work to swing the upgrades mentioned let alone the upgraded version you originally suggested.

It is also an eclectic lance. We have a Firebee with a quartet of SRM2s and an ER PPC; a Wyvern, with a variety of lasers and Artemis enabled missiles; and my mech, a Osprey with an LB-10/X, an LRM 10 and a pair of MPLs.

It'd be nice to go insane and have tens of millions of c-bills into our mech, although (shudder) clan mechs. The Clans aren't around yet...just stories of pirates or raiders or something on the Rim at the moment. Still, I've got a few ideas in mind if we do happen into an unlimited budget.

That custom Warhammer was gained over the course of 5 years in campaign time, (counting jumpship travel, deployment lengths and unit down time due to repairs and refits).... We got the Blazers as payment for doing some security work for Ronin Incorporated, that had us facing off against a shadow lance (Warhammer 4L's) of the Cappies, that was how we managed to loot the stealth armour, ECM and DHS. The SRM/4+A was gained by doing work for Imstar Aerospace, the MG's were the original Star League MG's...

Actual real time spent on that campaign about a year before I had that 'Hammer... so she was hard earned.

[ShadowbaneX]

Not to derail this too much further, since it's a mech thread, not an RPG thread, but our campaigns have also be running for years...problem is there's too many of them. There are actually 2 MechWarrior campaigns, one that started 3025 and wound up in 3028 before jumping to 3038....apparently freak cryo-stasis accidents can happen, and the pre-Invasion one.

My group developed a system in which the GMs rotated who was in the hot seat. This started during college/university. Most times people could make it, but putting the entire load on one GM wasn't great if they had a paper or an exam due. Then other things started to intervene, summers away, or working graveyard shifts, family gathers, and new campaigns were started to cover the gaps rather than writing players out.

Other concurrently running campaigns my group is running: Matrix (oldest active campaign, nearly 14 years), super heroes, Battlestar, Dragon Age, Hunter (oWoD), Vampire (nWoD) 3x Star Wars (one custom, two FFG), Werewolf (nWoD), Pathfinder, 2x 2nd ed AD&D...and those are just the active ones I'm in. For the times I can't make it there are a bunch more, and there's even been a few that have been retired.

[Sereglach]

So . . . January Light mech is going to be Inner Sphere AND it's going to be the last mech under the old single-mech purchase system. I'm betting on the Wasp, now. It's probably one of the few light mechs that'd be able to be priced at $20, due to nostalgia "Classics" factor, and be able to stand on its own. EDIT: It's also got a lot of potential hardpoint variety among it's variants without much effort, which is also convenient for PGI and nice for everyone.

Regardless, the pending light mech announcement is not clan, which is fascinating.

It's also the last one under the current system, which is also fascinating. Here's hoping they actually go back to something akin to the old days where the Hero is pre-ordered (used to just release a month in advance) and then everyone got the standard variants available for MC and c-bills at the same time. I wouldn't be averse to that and it'd really go a long way to preventing any "P2W" claims when something comes out OP and then takes months to get nerfed.

Edited by Sereglach, 13 January 2017 - 07:09 PM.

[Odanan]

The bad news? No Fire Moth this month.

The good news? Wasp?!?!?

[Sereglach]

Odanan, on 13 January 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

The bad news? No Fire Moth this month.

The good news? Wasp?!?!?

Beat you by 2 minutes; and had more info. You're getting sloppy. Shame . . . shame upon you.

[Ovion]

If it IS the Wasp, I'm hoping for a Wasp + Stinger Double pack (2for1 type of deal)