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[FLG 01]

TheArisen, on 28 February 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

Seriously... If they announced the Nightstar I'd explode.

I would be happy too, but there are many good options. There is still the danger of pure nostalgia baits like the Crusader or the Annihilator, there are many good late 50ies and 60ies Mechs, and there are even some good Star League Mechs competing with the Nightstar.
I just hope PGI does not totally give in to nostalgia. Some nostalgia Mechs are fine, but the Nightstar and many other never-seen-before Mechs deserve to be in MWO too.

Sereglach, on 28 February 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:

I'm honestly thinking Uziel

I hope not. The one and only claim to fame of the Uziel is the cover of an old game; in the lore it is at best insignificant and there are a lot of question marks regarding its MWO performance (especially geometry; low cockpit...). It is not Annihilator-bad, but PGI could do better.
Keep in mind I am a fan of medium Mechs and a fan of Defiance and Steiner. I might buy it, but I would not expect much.

Edited by FLG 01, 28 February 2017 - 08:21 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

FLG 01, on 28 February 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

I would be happy too, but there are many good options.




I hope not. The one and only claim to fame of the Uziel is the cover of an old game; in the lore it is at best insignificant and there are a lot of question marks regarding its MWO performance (especially geometry; low cockpit...). It is not Annihilator-bad, but PGI could do better.
Keep in mind I am a fan of medium Mechs and a fan of Defiance and Steiner. I might buy it, but I would not expect much.

well, it was actually a baller robot.... in MW4. But that was mostly because of mixtech.

MWO? As much as I like it..... just.... not expecting much

[Pariah Devalis]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 February 2017 - 08:21 PM, said:

well, it was actually a baller robot.... in MW4. But that was mostly because of mixtech.

MWO? As much as I like it..... just.... not expecting much

I mean, I donno. I does have arms more or less in line with the cockpit, right? Alongside side torso hardpoints also in line with the cockpit? Plus jump jets. One would imagine it is right up the metards' ally.

[Zergling]

If I had to guess, I'd say the mechs for the new tech will be designs from TRO3060 and/or TRO3067 that have a lot of the new weapons/tech they are planning on adding.

Candidates from TRO3060:
Men Shen; 55 ton IS omnimech, has configs with ER Medium Lasers, LBX2, Light MGs, Plasma Rifles, and Snub-Nosed PPCs.
Black Watch: 85 ton IS standard mech, base variant has UAC10, Light Gauss, MRM40. Only one variant though, so not likely.
Yu Huang; 90 ton IS standard mech, base variant has LBX20, other variants have ER Mediums, UAC20 and stuff like that.
Hauptmann, 95 ton IS omnimech, configs are chock full of stuff like ER Medium Lasers, LBX20, UAC20, Heavy Gauss Rifle and Heavy PPC.
Blood Asp; 90 ton Clan omnimech, lots of heavy lasers.

Candidates from TRO3067:
Osiris; 30 ton IS standard mech, base variant has a bunch of ER Medium Lasers, and there's a variant with Heavy PPC.
Uziel; 50 ton IS standard mech, base variant has LBX2, ER Medium Lasers, ER Small Lasers. Another variant has Streak SRM6.
Argus; 60 ton IS standard mech, base variant has RAC5, ER Medium Lasers and targeting computer. Another variant has Heavy PPC and Streak SRM6, while another variant has light fusion engine and light ferro fibrous armor.
Lao Hu; 75 ton IS standard mech, base variant has LBX20, while another variant has RAC5, Plasma Rifle and a targeting computer.
Perseus; 75 ton IS omnimech. Basically an omni-Orion, lots of advanced weapons like UAC10, ER Medium Lasers, Light Gauss Rifle. Due to how similar it is to Orion in looks, I don't think this one is likely.
Thanatos; 75 ton IS standard mech. MRMs and ER Medium Lasers, one variant has LBX20.
Legacy; 80 ton IS standard mech. Base variant has UAC10s, ER Medium/Small Lasers and Streak SRM4. One variant has Heavy PPCs and light fusion engine.
Templar; 85 ton IS omnimech. Configs often have targeting computer, along with RAC2/5s, Streak SRM4/6, ER Medium Lasers, UAC10, Light Gauss Rifle, MRMs, LBX20, Light PPCs.
Akuma; 90 ton IS standard mech. Base config has a heap of MRMs and Streak SRM4/6s, while there are variants with stuff like LBX20.
Fafnir; 100 ton IS standard mech. Heavy Gauss Rifles, nuff said.
Solitaire; 25 ton Clan standard mech. Lots of heavy lasers.
Lobo; 40 ton Clan standard mech. Heavy lasers + ATMs.
Rabid Coyote; 55 ton Clan standard mech. ATMs.
Hellfire; 60 ton Clan standard mech. Heavy lasers everywhere.
Burrock; 75 ton Clan standard mech. Heavy lasers again.
Savage Coyote; 85 ton Clan omnimech. Lots of ATMs.


IS mech choices depend on if PGI want to release IS omnimechs yet, or hold them for later. If they do give IS omnimechs, then the Templar is an obvious choice, as is the Hauptmann.
Otherwise, I could see mechs like the Fafnir, Akuma, Argus and Uziel.

Clan mechs? I think heavy lasers are almost certain to be released, but I'm not sure about ATMs, so I'd give better odds to mechs like the Blood Asp and Solitaire over the Savage Coyote.

[CK16]

Your lack of Nova Cat and Mad Cat Mk II are disturbing

[Zergling]

CK16, on 28 February 2017 - 09:33 PM, said:

Your lack of Nova Cat and Mad Cat Mk II are disturbing

Well, the problem with those is that most of their variants/configs have weapons that are already in the game, so they don't 'showcase' new tech as like a Savage Coyote or Blood Asp does.

Nova Cat Prime, A, B, C don't have any new weapons; only the D has heavy lasers, and the E has ATMs.
Mad Cat Mk II has same problem; base variant, 2, 3, 4 don't have any new weapons, only the 5 has Improved Heavy Lasers (which aren't likely to be added at the same time as regular Heavy Lasers).


Compare that to the Savage Coyote; the Prime, B and C configs have ATMs, with only the A config lacking new weapons.
And the Blood Asp; the Prime, A and D configs have heavy lasers, while the E has ATMs, with only the B and C configs lacking new weapons.


That said, PGI certainly could create new variants to 'showcase' heavy lasers and ATMs on the Mad Cat II and other mechs, so I'm not ruling out the possibility of those mechs.

I also suspect PGI will add Hyper Assault Gauss Rifles, so that Clans aren't so lacking in new toys to play with (especially ballistic toys).


EDIT: I'm predicting PGI will give IS the ER Medium/Small Lasers, UAC2/10/20, LBX2/5/20, Streak SRM4/6 for a start (which requires relatively little programming work) then give IS and Clans each at least 1 new weapon system of each energy/ballistic/missile type.

IS:
Heavy and/or Light PPC for energy
Heavy and/or Light Gauss for ballistic
MRMs for missile

Clans:
Heavy Lasers for energy
Hyper Assault Gauss for ballistic
ATMs for missile

Edited by Zergling, 28 February 2017 - 10:01 PM.

[TheArisen]

Pariah Devalis, on 28 February 2017 - 08:55 PM, said:

I mean, I donno. I does have arms more or less in line with the cockpit, right? Alongside side torso hardpoints also in line with the cockpit? Plus jump jets. One would imagine it is right up the metards' ally.

It has two big issues.
1. Low cockpit. Your torso is exposed before you can even see the enemy
2. Barn door syndrome with obvious torsos

For potentially strong IS mechs me and a few others made this list
https://mwomercs.com...-now-with-poll/

It also has some discussion on what makes a meta mech, meta.

Edited by TheArisen, 28 February 2017 - 10:13 PM.

[Odanan]

TheArisen, on 28 February 2017 - 10:07 PM, said:

It has two big issues.
1. Low cockpit. Your torso is exposed before you can even see the enemy
2. Barn door syndrome with obvious torsos

For potentially strong IS mechs me and a few others made this list
https://mwomercs.com...-now-with-poll/

It also has some discussion on what makes a meta mech, meta.

You underestimate the power of nostalgia, my friend...

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 February 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

that's what you and CK get for having such high demands...... all I ask for was a lowly Urbanmech and an Assassin....

I kept asking for the Phoneix Hawk and Warhammer, so maybe not so high demands then?

Sereglach, on 28 February 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:

I'm honestly thinking Uziel...

Gods I hope not... low cocpit placement means exposed torso before you can find your target, see Archer issues... For a medium, it's actually rather wide, and the ST's are sizeable, see the below picture, the MG's in the ST's clearly define what is ST, the CT contains the SRM launcher.



In TT, like the Bushwacker it's just average, and that means here it will be bad to average, thanks to likely hit box and cockpit placement issues.

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 01 March 2017 - 08:31 AM, said:

I kept asking for the Phoneix Hawk and Warhammer, so maybe not so high demands then?



Gods I hope not... low cocpit placement means exposed torso before you can find your target, see Archer issues... For a medium, it's actually rather wide, and the ST's are sizeable, see the below picture, the MG's in the ST's clearly define what is ST, the CT contains the SRM launcher.



In TT, like the Bushwacker it's just average, and that means here it will be bad to average, thanks to likely hit box and cockpit placement issues.

it looks cool, but it's the ******* love child of an Archer and an Ebon Jag.

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 01 March 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

it looks cool, but it's the ******* love child of an Archer and an Ebon Jag.

That hit every branch of the ugly tree on the way down..... Honestly, it's a mech that has never been something I've liked... To make it shine, it needs to use Clan Tech, but once it uses Clan Tech, it stops being an IS mech and becomes a Marry Sue.

[CK16]

Can someone put this to a spread sheet and check it out for feasibilit? Thanks
Ghost Bear Hero Mad Dog

Mad Dog, Tamer (SCom Lita, known actions vs DCMS & CHH in the early 3060's)
LA: 1 ER Small, 1 ER Med (2E)
LT: 1 Heavy machine gun, 1ATM9 (1B, 1M)
HD: None
CT: 2 Heavy machine gun (2B)
RT: 1 Heavy machine gun, 1ATM9 (1B, 1M)
RA: 1 ER Small, 1 ER Med (2E)

Technically speaking Lita piloted a Mad Dog D, but since I also want the D added at some point, I made a simular build here.)

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 01 March 2017 - 09:22 AM, said:

Can someone put this to a spread sheet and check it out for feasibilit? Thanks
Ghost Bear Hero Mad Dog

Mad Dog, Tamer (SCom Lita, known actions vs DCMS & CHH in the early 3060's)
LA: 1 ER Small, 1 ER Med (2E)
LT: 1 Heavy machine gun, 1ATM9 (1B, 1M)
HD: None
CT: 2 Heavy machine gun (2B)
RT: 1 Heavy machine gun, 1ATM9 (1B, 1M)
RA: 1 ER Small, 1 ER Med (2E)

Technically speaking Lita piloted a Mad Dog D, but since I also want the D added at some point, I made a simular build here.)

Spoiler

Mad Dog (Vulture)

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-E-E-A
Production Year: 2963
Cost: 13,020,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 796

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 300 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
28.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard 99 points 6.00
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 300 9.50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 12(24) 2.00
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 163 8.50
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 20 23
Center Torso (rear) 7
L/R Torso 14 16
L/R Torso (rear) 7
L/R Arm 10 16
L/R Leg 14 23

================================================================================
Loadout Name: Lita Cost: 14,881,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 1,885

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 2.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LA, 1 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT, RA, LL, RL 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Heavy Machine Guns CT 0 2 1.00
ATM-9 RT 6 4 5.00
Heavy Machine Gun RT 0 1 0.50
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
Heavy Machine Gun LT 0 1 0.50
ER Small Laser RA 2 1 0.50
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
ER Small Laser LA 2 1 0.50
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) RT - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (7) RT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (7) LT - 1 1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) LT - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (7) RA - 1 1.00
@HMG (200) RL - 2 2.00
@HMG (200) LL - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 7

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 5 Points: 19
5 8 6 2 0 3 0 Structure: 3
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

There you go, the Lita.

[CK16]

Dang, thay honestly looks like a pretty decent loadout, I didn't know how much ammo I could get but that's definitely quite a bit

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 01 March 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

Dang, thay honestly looks like a pretty decent loadout, I didn't know how much ammo I could get but that's definitely quite a bit

That's stock armour levels... it's also heat neutral...

Edited by Metus regem, 01 March 2017 - 09:41 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

CK16, on 01 March 2017 - 09:22 AM, said:

Can someone put this to a spread sheet and check it out for feasibilit? Thanks
Ghost Bear Hero Mad Dog

Mad Dog, Tamer (SCom Lita, known actions vs DCMS & CHH in the early 3060's)
LA: 1 ER Small, 1 ER Med (2E)
LT: 1 Heavy machine gun, 1ATM9 (1B, 1M)
HD: None
CT: 2 Heavy machine gun (2B)
RT: 1 Heavy machine gun, 1ATM9 (1B, 1M)
RA: 1 ER Small, 1 ER Med (2E)

Technically speaking Lita piloted a Mad Dog D, but since I also want the D added at some point, I made a simular build here.)

10 hardpoint hero? (even if half the omni pods already exist) can here the "PGI hates the IS QQ" already!

[CK16]

Bishop Steiner, on 01 March 2017 - 09:42 AM, said:

10 hardpoint hero? (even if half the omni pods already exist) can here the "PGI hates the IS QQ" already!

Yea but at the end of the day it is still a Mad Dog, and one that unless your running the stock loadout cant really make use of its hard points to the point of being broken meta. I mean there could be some strong combos with these new omni pods but nothing really OP or game.breaking.

Some is Warriors will QQ about anything new or nice the Clans get regardless. Hell even if they did a stock Mad Dog prime with a 30% bonus and fancy paint would be triggered them.

[Bishop Steiner]

CK16, on 01 March 2017 - 09:22 AM, said:

Can someone put this to a spread sheet and check it out for feasibilit? Thanks
Ghost Bear Hero Mad Dog

Mad Dog, Tamer (SCom Lita, known actions vs DCMS & CHH in the early 3060's)
LA: 1 ER Small, 1 ER Med (2E)
LT: 1 Heavy machine gun, 1ATM9 (1B, 1M)
HD: None
CT: 2 Heavy machine gun (2B)
RT: 1 Heavy machine gun, 1ATM9 (1B, 1M)
RA: 1 ER Small, 1 ER Med (2E)

Technically speaking Lita piloted a Mad Dog D, but since I also want the D added at some point, I made a simular build here.)

CK16, on 01 March 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

Yea but at the end of the day it is still a Mad Dog, and one that unless your running the stock loadout cant really make use of its hard points to the point of being broken meta. I mean there could be some strong combos with these new omni pods but nothing really OP or game.breaking.

Some is Warriors will QQ about anything new or nice the Clans get regardless. Hell even if they did a stock Mad Dog prime with a 30% bonus and fancy paint would be triggered them.

good things clanners never QQ about OP IS mechs......

#clanbutthurt

[Pariah Devalis]

I just want a SHC hero with a 1E1M left torso. :\ My wants are simple. Give me the ability to trade stealth for firepower - actual reliable firepower - on the Shadow Cat, as a viable option. 2E arms are entirely optional.

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 01 March 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

Hell even if they did a stock Mad Dog prime with a 30% bonus and fancy paint would be triggered them.

You mean like this:



'Cause I got one in my hanger