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#3041 Ens

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:39 AM

View PostOdanan, on 25 March 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

I would be happy with the Zeus, because it's such an iconic mech, but... wouldn't it be much like the Orion?

(not to mention the Zeus is almost a Battlemaster reseen) ;)


many mechs are somewhat "similar" to another don´t you think?
at least the Zeus would be 5 tons larger than the Orion.... but thats not all.
in terms of pure hardpoint thinking it would just be some kind of Atlas...like the Orion, like the Victor, like "put in standard human profile mech"

if alex would do the right paintjob/design ( i still hope he has :) ), except bulky shoulders, the Zeus might have a real thin profile for 80 tons compared to the awesome

plus:
both main weapon systems in each arms, which is unique by now ingame, i guess?
and if your hardpoint guessing would be true, you could build this baby anyway you want, more missile, more energy or more ballistic.....

plus:
Lyrans pride ´n joy ( n´stuff ) ;)

plus:

View PostOdanan, on 25 March 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

(not to mention the Zeus is almost a Battlemaster reseen)


what else? :lol:

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 10:50 AM

View PostOdanan, on 25 March 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

So, looking at this, what mech would you prefer?


Good analysis. I didn't realize a couple of Zeus variants actually have ballistic hard points.

I still think the Banshee will be Battlemech #20.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 11:00 AM

View PostOdanan, on 25 March 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

So, looking at this, what mech would you prefer?


Honestly the Zeus or the Banshee. The Zeus is exactly what I thought it would be, but with the Banshee, it's either lots of speed and armor with crap weapons or Slow with lots of armor and more/better weapons.

The same argument against the Zeus could be made for the Banshee as well. The Banshee is literally just a faster under gunned Atlas. I think everything they add now will be very similar to something else that is already in game. The Clops looks pathetic considering the only ECM variant has less armor than the Zeus and the super armored one could very easily be out done by the Atlas DC.

I'm fairly sure at least one of the Zeus variants have a command console as well (or the dual cockpit, can't remember) and would be a better candidate for ECM than the Clops.

With that said, I would prefer the Zeus!!™, but would also be happy with the Banshee.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 11:02 AM

been hoping for Banshee, but none of the variants have weapon slots in the arms. still want the mech but its gonna be a hard sell, unless they implement melee so it can use those big mitts, to punch out some mechs :P

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 11:10 AM

Banshees settling their differences...
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Posted 25 March 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostOdanan, on 25 March 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

I did a variant analysis for the #20 mech:

So, looking at this, what mech would you prefer?


Hatamoto-chi!! You also didn't list the Cyclops CP-11-B, which has two ballistic slots, 2 missile, and 2 beam.

I'd pick the Cyclops out of the given 'mechs, but also would like to see the Hatamoto-chi.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 04:50 PM

View PostJack Gallows, on 25 March 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:


Hatamoto-chi!! You also didn't list the Cyclops CP-11-B, which has two ballistic slots, 2 missile, and 2 beam.

I'd pick the Cyclops out of the given 'mechs, but also would like to see the Hatamoto-chi.


As pointed by someone sometime ago, the CP-11-B (the most tasty Cyclops) will be available only in a few years in the future.

I will add the Hatamoto to the list, but you won`t like what you will see.

#3048 Jack Gallows

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:27 PM

View PostOdanan, on 25 March 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:


As pointed by someone sometime ago, the CP-11-B (the most tasty Cyclops) will be available only in a few years in the future.

I will add the Hatamoto to the list, but you won`t like what you will see.


Ah, didn't know that about the B. Also, I know how the Hatamoto variants go, still want to see it in game.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 06:01 PM

Hatamoto variants added and sheet expanded/updated. Check it out!

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 06:18 PM

Looking at the updated sheet, my sympathies for the Zeus have increased. The variant with Command Console e possible ECM is very interesting (I know, mini Atlas D-DC).

View PostLonestar1771, on 25 March 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

Banshees settling their differences...


(and using its primary weapons - the fists)

#3051 Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:51 AM

It's a tough choice between Zeus and Banshee. Both are iconic and good looking, but i'm still prefer the Banshee! Even without melee. It brings variety in the assault class. It fills one of the the missing weight gaps and it absolutely deserves a place in the game. It also needs an general overhaul by Alex Iglesias, cause most of the Banshee drawings look terrible.

Three month without any new concept art! Really? Stop abusing us! We need new concept stuff and the repaint artists could need it, too. Give us something. Whatever it is, BUT GIVE US SOMETHING B)

#3052 Ens

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 02:20 AM

maybe there's hope for new art to come up at the GDC?

#3053 Belorion

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:14 AM

View PostEns, on 26 March 2013 - 02:20 AM, said:

maybe there's hope for new art to come up at the GDC?


The GDC is now is it not? 25-29 of March.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:37 AM

View PostBelorion, on 26 March 2013 - 04:14 AM, said:


The GDC is now is it not? 25-29 of March.

Yep.

Altough apart from Nvidia having them on the list of partners for GDC, there's nothing to suggest they're attending it.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:39 AM

View PostAdridos, on 26 March 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

Yep.

Altough apart from Nvidia having them on the list of partners for GDC, there's nothing to suggest they're attending it.


They have a booth in the Career pavilion.

Second row from the bottom all the way to the right on this map:

http://www.gdconf.co...lls_3-20-13.pdf

Edited by Belorion, 26 March 2013 - 04:40 AM.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:55 AM

View PostBelorion, on 26 March 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:


They have a booth in the Career pavilion.



Which mean recruitment. And recruitment!=new concept art. :D

Altough it's good to see we may get things faster in the near future.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:18 AM

I want these!

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 10:19 AM

View PostThe Birdeater, on 26 March 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

It's a tough choice between Zeus and Banshee. Both are iconic and good looking, but i'm still prefer the Banshee!
GIVE US SOMETHING :D


I'm still prefer it too! :o
Not many 95-ton mechs. Fills an old-school niche. Now that PPCs are playable it could even be effective as a 5S.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:52 PM

View PostLord Banshee, on 26 March 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:


I'm still prefer it too! ;)
Not many 95-ton mechs. Fills an old-school niche. Now that PPCs are playable it could even be effective as a 5S.


No school like the fisticuffs school

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:18 PM

Oh... I just saw the banner... pink like that, Rhonda's "Heavy Metal" looks something more like "Glam Metal". ;)

(I hope we will be able to change at least the primary color soon!)

And the speakers? Will it be able to really deliver music?!?!





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