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#321 Adridos

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:24 AM

View Postryoken12, on 01 August 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

I would like Zeus or even the Jagger. Both can mount balistics, and right now we are lacking balistic mechs. Mind you i seen no mention of it, but an Enforcer would also be a great mech. Good armour/weapons/speed, and yes JJs.


Jagermech is in and Enforcer is out of question, since we should be getting the 4th assault.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:37 AM

It's almost time for work. Why don't they release the announcement we all want to hear!!!

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:39 AM

might be better if eventually you could choose from all known mechs game and table top giving more variety on the field that way you dont have everyone doing the same thing. also i keep seeing ppl talk bout the different variants what will this be more like that crap mechassault game where u dont get to tinker with your loadouts? im all for customization

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:07 AM

View PostValaska, on 01 August 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

The Clans won't be coming during beta.


Some of the announced mechs neither - it takes some time to make the 3d models, animations and coding. That doesn't mean their concept art can't be showed.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:10 AM

So, we're thinking Cyclops, Zeus, Victor, Charger, Mauler, or Banshee.

Hrm. In no particular order...

Mauler
Pros
-It is 3/5 like the other assaults thus far. While they might want to shake things up a bit, if assaults move 4/6 there's no point to heavies (or a lot of mediums) sans artificial drop weight restrictions. That'll have to be addressed at some point given the number of 4/6 assaults, but I could see them limiting stock assaults to low speeds, at least initially.
-Been in other games; people know it and...well, they know it.

Cons
-Only two variants at launch, and that's only if you count the Daboku prototype. The MAL-C doesn't show until '51, and it's virtually identical anyway. In fact, all the variants are really close.
-Thus far everything else has been Succession War-era stuff. It'd be odd to break that now.

Banshee
Pros
-Lots of variants! -3E, 3M, -3MC, -3Q, -3S...All kinds of good stuff. Better still, they'd all play VERY differently.
-Looks like a BOSS.
-Is a 4/6 assault, but it's not better than a 4/6 heavy because that big an engine is a dumb idea without XLs. So, it gets more armor than, say, the Cataphract, but it has less firepower.

Cons
-Some of those variants are really bad. With no physical attacks to make the speed and tonnage lethal on its own, the anemic weapons on some of the variants won't get the job done.
-I dunno how much it matters but there aren't any Lostech upgrades until the -5S in '53. The BNC-5S rocks, but that's still years off.

Victor
Pros
-OMG IT JUMPS
-Plenty of reasonably diverse variants, including a Lostech upgrade.

Cons
-It makes a lot of heavies and mediums redundant. Do you want the Hunchback, or the 'Mech with the same big gun with more ammo in a better location. Also it has better armor and better backup guns. And the same land speed but it also has jump jets.

Zeus
Pros
-Cool looking, lots of variant diversity including several Lostech upgrades (another Command Console 'Mech so the AS7-D-DC isn't unique!).
-Not a lot of iconically Lyran designs yet.

Cons
-Just plain better than a number of heavies. Notice a pattern emerging here? 4/6 is for Assaults! Heavies need to be faster than that! Mediums faster still! Lights even faster!

Charger
Pros
-no

Cons
-just no
-okay actually ramming IS a thing unlike punches kicks...but that is a really stupid thing to be good at.
-Okay the -3K is pretty nifty, although underarmored and stupid expensive.

Cyclops
Pros
-Umm...
-I guess it looks pretty cool
-There's a good selection of variants as well, including a -DC.
-Seems like a good commander ride for the whole role warfare thing.

Cons
-Oh god that armor would be tolerable on a medium
-And instead of armor there's guns that make people want to shoot you more
-You put that mobile HQ down this instant you are not a semi truck you don't need to haul anything besides guns, armor, and ammo.


If I had to narrow it down I'd say the Cyclops or the Banshee. They've introduced three "kill the crap out of them" assaults and I think it might be time for a "commander's ride" assault (although the Atlas can fill that role). The Cyclops and Zeus have decent command variants, but it's just one variant for the Zeus, while battlefield awareness is pretty much the Cyclops' entire shtick. I still have hope for the Banshee, though, since I think Flyingdebris would make it insanely badass.

That said, while I'll be pretty surprised if we get a Victor, Charger, or Mauler, I've been wrong before. I didn't anticipate the Stalker at all, for instance.

Am I on the right track?

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:45 AM

Could the Vindicator work in this timeline?

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:51 AM

View PostNoirWolf, on 01 August 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

Could the Vindicator work in this timeline?

Yes, but since we have three assaults and four of every other class people are expecting an Assault. I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:59 AM

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- 15/08/12: No mech, but the FIRST RUMORS ABOUT THE CLANS (people will be very distracted with the Open Beta - so they need a huge announcement)
- 29/08/12: Start of the announcements of the clan mechs (the flavor texts can be something like reports from surviving IS pilots)

The clan mechs we already know: these 16 (I'm writing the IS names):


I'd like to play the game and enjoy it before it gets ruined. So lets hope the clans are still a year off.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:59 AM

Here is an assault no one mentioned. How about a battle master? It has a few variants, and is a 4/6 assault with good armour, and firepower. Also been around a long time in all houses.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 12:10 PM

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Here is an assault no one mentioned. How about a battle master? It has a few variants, and is a 4/6 assault with good armour, and firepower. Also been around a long time in all houses.


Apparently they are staying away from Unseen, even though they are redoing looks completely.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 12:18 PM

Grasshopper, Flashman, Orion, Lancelot, Thunderbolt, or Guillotine! ;)

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 12:21 PM

Oh Grasshopper would be cool. Good catch.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 12:23 PM

View Postdiplominator, on 01 August 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

So, we're thinking Cyclops, Zeus, Victor, Charger, Mauler, or Banshee.

Hrm. In no particular order...

Mauler
Pros
-It is 3/5 like the other assaults thus far. While they might want to shake things up a bit, if assaults move 4/6 there's no point to heavies (or a lot of mediums) sans artificial drop weight restrictions. That'll have to be addressed at some point given the number of 4/6 assaults, but I could see them limiting stock assaults to low speeds, at least initially.
-Been in other games; people know it and...well, they know it.

Cons
-Only two variants at launch, and that's only if you count the Daboku prototype. The MAL-C doesn't show until '51, and it's virtually identical anyway. In fact, all the variants are really close.
-Thus far everything else has been Succession War-era stuff. It'd be odd to break that now.

Banshee
Pros
-Lots of variants! -3E, 3M, -3MC, -3Q, -3S...All kinds of good stuff. Better still, they'd all play VERY differently.
-Looks like a BOSS.
-Is a 4/6 assault, but it's not better than a 4/6 heavy because that big an engine is a dumb idea without XLs. So, it gets more armor than, say, the Cataphract, but it has less firepower.

Cons
-Some of those variants are really bad. With no physical attacks to make the speed and tonnage lethal on its own, the anemic weapons on some of the variants won't get the job done.
-I dunno how much it matters but there aren't any Lostech upgrades until the -5S in '53. The BNC-5S rocks, but that's still years off.

Victor
Pros
-OMG IT JUMPS
-Plenty of reasonably diverse variants, including a Lostech upgrade.

Cons
-It makes a lot of heavies and mediums redundant. Do you want the Hunchback, or the 'Mech with the same big gun with more ammo in a better location. Also it has better armor and better backup guns. And the same land speed but it also has jump jets.

Zeus
Pros
-Cool looking, lots of variant diversity including several Lostech upgrades (another Command Console 'Mech so the AS7-D-DC isn't unique!).
-Not a lot of iconically Lyran designs yet.

Cons
-Just plain better than a number of heavies. Notice a pattern emerging here? 4/6 is for Assaults! Heavies need to be faster than that! Mediums faster still! Lights even faster!

Charger
Pros
-no

Cons
-just no
-okay actually ramming IS a thing unlike punches kicks...but that is a really stupid thing to be good at.
-Okay the -3K is pretty nifty, although underarmored and stupid expensive.

Cyclops
Pros
-Umm...
-I guess it looks pretty cool
-There's a good selection of variants as well, including a -DC.
-Seems like a good commander ride for the whole role warfare thing.

Cons
-Oh god that armor would be tolerable on a medium
-And instead of armor there's guns that make people want to shoot you more
-You put that mobile HQ down this instant you are not a semi truck you don't need to haul anything besides guns, armor, and ammo.


If I had to narrow it down I'd say the Cyclops or the Banshee. They've introduced three "kill the crap out of them" assaults and I think it might be time for a "commander's ride" assault (although the Atlas can fill that role). The Cyclops and Zeus have decent command variants, but it's just one variant for the Zeus, while battlefield awareness is pretty much the Cyclops' entire shtick. I still have hope for the Banshee, though, since I think Flyingdebris would make it insanely badass.

That said, while I'll be pretty surprised if we get a Victor, Charger, or Mauler, I've been wrong before. I didn't anticipate the Stalker at all, for instance.

Am I on the right track?


Great analysis! BTW, I think the Charger has some pros. For instance, you can make a Hatamoto out of it. :D

View PostRajen, on 01 August 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Grasshopper, Flashman, Orion, Lancelot, Thunderbolt, or Guillotine! ;)


Heavies?

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 12:23 PM

I think a Jump capable medium is required at some point.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 12:25 PM

View PostIan, on 01 August 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:


I'd like to play the game and enjoy it before it gets ruined. So lets hope the clans are still a year off.


Announced is different form playable. They can announce the mechs in the next months but the mechs would be playable only next year.

View PostIan, on 01 August 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

I think a Jump capable medium is required at some point.


Blackjack!

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:10 PM

View PostIan, on 01 August 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

I think a Jump capable medium is required at some point.


Trebuchet TBT-5J have 5 jumpjets fitted on by removing one of the two lrm-15.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:46 PM

No mech today... they are torturing us.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:47 PM

View PostAdridos, on 01 August 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:


Jagermech is in and Enforcer is out of question, since we should be getting the 4th assault.
can not say for fact that we will get a new assault. After the Stalker, they skipped the light mech and went to the next medium, heavy and then the light. For all we know it could go back to a medium heavy and then assault.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:55 PM

View PostOdanan, on 01 August 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

No mech today... they are torturing us.

i can just imagine paul sitting there, with a troll face redacting the new mech post.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:58 PM

I'm hoping we can stop hearing about clan mechs for about 2 years, when the 2nd push of the clan invasion starts. You can call me a hater, but I just don't wanna hear where's my Madcat anymore... if you want it that bad QQ in the corner, and ask for a Timberwolf.





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