#4681
Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:28 PM
#4682
#4683
Posted 02 August 2013 - 04:26 PM
cdlord, on 02 August 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:
I need it, too!
They have shown us the Phoenix Locust, but they don't show us the regular variants in front of the classic coast battle. A short story for each mech would be nice, too. I know, these green things are the regular variants, but it's not enough for me, cause all have the same camo without decals etc. I hope, they'll show us the regular variants in the "classic" announcement style soon.
Edited by The Birdeater, 02 August 2013 - 04:28 PM.
#4684
Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:18 PM
Light: Flea
Medium: Kintaro
Heavy: ------------
Assault: Highlander
With that said, which Star League 'Mech has the best chances? Well, lets look at the contenders:
Champion
Lancelot
Bombardier
Guillotine
Black Knight
Flashman
The Bombardier doesn't really offer anything new to MWO. The Guillotine, Black Knight and the Flashman have the issue of the variants being homogeneous. I think the Champion and Lancelot have the best chances with the Champion having a slight edge due to being a non-humanoid 'Mech (although the Lancelot is the fastest heavy 'Mech with one interesting ballistic variant). The distribution of hardpoints would keep the Champion sufficiently distinct from the Dragon. Thoughts?
Edited by Maverick01, 02 August 2013 - 05:45 PM.
#4686
Posted 02 August 2013 - 05:58 PM
Maverick01, on 02 August 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:
Not sufficiently distinct, unfortunately. (because it is quite beautiful, even in the TROs)
Lancelot, no doubts.
(the Guillotine would be great, but after the Quickdraw, it is pretty redundant)
#4687
Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:39 PM
Odanan, on 02 August 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:
I disagree.
The layout of the Champion is very different from that of the Dragon (two extra lasers, missiles in the LT rather than the CT, no arm weapons at all (ACs in the RT, lasers and missiles in the LT, and lasers in the CT)), and the hardpoint potentials are also very different (particularly with regard to missiles). (The BTE links point to the named 'Mechs as of the time of this writing.)
Give one an extra ballistic hardpoint, give one an extra energy hardpoint, and give one an extra missile hardpoint; the combination of that, the distribution of hardpoints across the body (and thus unable to take agvantage of the greater firing arcs and faster tracking allowed by mounting weapons in actuated arms), and the geometry of the 'Mech (with both arms being empty and effectively vestigial... and given their usual shape in BT artwork, generally incapable of being used to effectively (if at all) shield the body) would keep the Champion sufficiently distinct from the Dragon.
Example CHP-1N:
LT: x2 ballistic (x1 LB 10-X)
CT: x2 energy (x2 Small Laser)
RT: x2 energy (x2 Medium Laser), x1 missile (x1 ASRM-6)
Standard Internal Structure, Standard 300 Engine, FF Armor (71% of maximum), Standard Heat Sinks
Example CHP-1N2:
LT: x1 ballistic (x1 LB 10-X)
CT: x2 energy (x2 Small Laser)
RT: x3 energy (x2 Medium Laser), x1 missile (x1 ASRM-6)
Standard Internal Structure, Standard 300 Engine, FF Armor (71% of maximum), Double Heat Sinks
Example CHP-2N:
LT: x1 ballistic (x1 AC/10)
CT: x2 energy (x2 Small Laser)
RT: x2 energy (x2 Medium Laser), x2 missile (x1 SRM-6)
Standard Internal Structure, Standard 300 Engine, Standard Armor (64% of maximum), Standard Heat Sinks
As described in the above examples, the Champion has the potential to carry a greater number of weapons (in different E/B/M ratios) than the Dragon, but has substantially less flexibility in bringing said weapons to bear (due to all of the weapons being torso-mounted).
Thoughts?
Edited by Strum Wealh, 02 August 2013 - 07:36 PM.
#4688
Posted 02 August 2013 - 06:48 PM
- could you imagine the confusion?
"I'm driving my champion, champion" - classic "who is on first" style sketch follows...
#4689
Posted 02 August 2013 - 07:33 PM
Joachim Viltry, on 02 August 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:
- could you imagine the confusion?
"I'm driving my champion, champion" - classic "who is on first" style sketch follows...
There are a number of ways to address that, including (but not limited to):
- refer to the 'Mech as "CHP" (verbalized "cee-aitch-pee"; e.g. "Target Bravo is a CHP!")
- refer to the 'Mech as a "Champ" (optionally followed by the variant designation) while referring to the status as "champion" (e.g. "Target Charlie is a Champ-1N2!", "I'm piloting a champion-Champ.")
- refer to the status as "champ" while referring to the 'Mech as a Champion (e.g. "champ-Atlas", "champ-Dragon", "champ-Champion")
#4690
Posted 02 August 2013 - 08:17 PM
Strum Wealh, on 02 August 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:
All well and good from a player standpoint, but that doesn't negate the real problem. Which is that PGI chose to use the word Champion as a term to describe mech variants designed by players. I'm doubtful that they will select a mech that could confuse both people who aren't familiar with the source material and people who aren't familiar with PGI's nomenclature.
They probably chose to use the word due to commonality of concept with the already used "Hero"... but, did they do that without forethought given to possible problems? Or does it mean that they already wrote off the Champion as a nonstarter?
Either way I don't think their going to give me the mech I really want. Now if they do give it too me I will celebrate, certainly... but by creating the naming conflict in the first place they will have displayed serious issues pertaining to planning.
#4693
Posted 03 August 2013 - 12:20 PM
#4694
Posted 03 August 2013 - 05:55 PM
Maverick01, on 02 August 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:
Light: Flea
Medium: Kintaro
Heavy: ------------
Assault: Highlander
With that said, which Star League 'Mech has the best chances? Well, lets look at the contenders:
Champion
Lancelot
Bombardier
Guillotine
Black Knight
Flashman
The Bombardier doesn't really offer anything new to MWO. The Guillotine, Black Knight and the Flashman have the issue of the variants being homogeneous. I think the Champion and Lancelot have the best chances with the Champion having a slight edge due to being a non-humanoid 'Mech (although the Lancelot is the fastest heavy 'Mech with one interesting ballistic variant). The distribution of hardpoints would keep the Champion sufficiently distinct from the Dragon. Thoughts?
I'd be interested to see how Alex remakes the Champion!
#4695
Posted 03 August 2013 - 06:03 PM
Crab
Strider
what else?
Edited by Tennex, 03 August 2013 - 06:17 PM.
#4698
Posted 04 August 2013 - 09:59 AM
#4699
Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:04 AM
#4700
Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:50 AM
Anjian, on 04 August 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:
The Hoplite would be a terrible mech in MWO... too slow, with very limited hardpoints...
(it has that ugly beauty which Alex Iglesias works so well, tough)
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