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#5761 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 08:08 PM

View PostOdanan, on 06 November 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Just reminding you guys. This mech in May 2014.
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please please please find a version that doesn't look like RoboBikerBeard Mech. Finally a mech that makes the RoboChimp look sexy. Sorry Alex, Banshee head = EPIC FAIL

View PostMaverick01, on 06 November 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Bryan mentioned in NGNG podcast No. 94 (go to 32.43 minutes) that the next light 'Mech is already in the pipeline and is being modeled. Four words he used to describe the next light 'Mech:
  • Humanoid
  • Controversial
  • Specialty Mech
Do you guys have any thoughts? Firestarter? Javelin? Panther?


Link: http://www.nogutsnog...pic,1309.0.html

Firestarter. Or Ostscout. Only real "specialty" Lights I can think of, unless PGI grew some wreckingballs, said screw HG and are bringing out the Valkyrie.

View PostMaverick01, on 06 November 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

^
With that said above, I think the next light 'Mech is the Javelin...

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Not really a specialty mech, and without serious hardpoint inflation, kind of....MEH?

Fire starter on the other hand would be.....6 Energy Hardpoints, 2 Ballistic? Just as mobile with better armor capacity?
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MUCH sexier.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:32 PM

^ I think jumping missile would add more variety than articulated energy jumper since the Jenner is still best in class.

Edited by Spheroid, 06 November 2013 - 09:33 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:33 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 06 November 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Firestarter. Or Ostscout. Only real "specialty" Lights I can think of, unless PGI grew some wreckingballs, said screw HG and are bringing out the Valkyrie.


The Firestarter is specialized since it is built around Flamers (fun trollbot for a while), but would eventually end up being a laser boat (we already have the Jenner). Ostscout unseen, enough said. The Javelin is a good candidate (my pick) because its an all-missile light 'Mech, which might be considered controversial. This 'Mech could be devastating while you consider hardpoint inflation. Thoughts?

Edited by Maverick01, 06 November 2013 - 09:40 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:38 PM

View PostMaverick01, on 06 November 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:


The Firestarter is specialized since it is built around Flamers (fun trollbot for a while), but would eventually end up being a laser boat. Ostscout unseen, enough said. The Javelin is a good candidate (my pick) because its an all-missile 'Mech, which might be considered controversial. Thoughts?

Eh, Locust, Shadowhawk, Wolverine, Griffin, Tbolt, Bmaster? Unseen much?

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:42 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 06 November 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Eh, Locust, Shadowhawk, Wolverine, Griffin, Tbolt, Bmaster? Unseen much?


Sorry. I meant HG unseen.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:42 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 06 November 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Eh, Locust, Shadowhawk, Wolverine, Griffin, Tbolt, Bmaster? Unseen much?


None of those are from Macross, the toughest nut to crack.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 03:07 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 06 November 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Eh, Locust, Shadowhawk, Wolverine, Griffin, Tbolt, Bmaster? Unseen much?

Ah, come on, Bishop.

View PostMaverick01, on 06 November 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:


Sorry. I meant HG unseen.

View PostSpheroid, on 06 November 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:


None of those are from Macross, the toughest nut to crack.

This and this. ^

#5768 Odanan

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 03:10 AM

View PostMaverick01, on 06 November 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Bryan mentioned in NGNG podcast No. 94 (go to 32.43 minutes) that the next light 'Mech is already in the pipeline and is being modeled. Four words he used to describe the next light 'Mech:
  • Humanoid
  • Controversial
  • Specialty Mech
Do you guys have any thoughts? Firestarter? Javelin? Panther?

Link: http://www.nogutsnog...pic,1309.0.html

Good stuff!

When thinking about "Controversial", I think about the UrbanMech.

But I guess (and hope) it will be this one, best remaining light mech:

View PostBishop Steiner, on 06 November 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Firestarter.
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MUCH sexier.

Edited by Odanan, 07 November 2013 - 03:15 AM.


#5769 Karl Streiger

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 03:16 AM

What about Hermes? Its a really special scout Mech without jump jets....although the 170kph engine cap is a kind of hindrance. Because it is allready running 151 kph.

But its not controversial - but the Hussar is. but I'm not sure if it is 100% humanoid- legs and arms are the torso not.
Oh what about the Thorn? Slow as hell - lightly armed and armored the perfect background actor for killing szenes.

Edited by Karl Streiger, 07 November 2013 - 03:17 AM.


#5770 Odanan

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 03:19 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 06 November 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Alex, Banshee head = EPIC SEXY

FTFY

Because bikers are badass.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:47 AM

View PostMaverick01, on 06 November 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Bryan mentioned in NGNG podcast No. 94 (go to 32.43 minutes) that the next light 'Mech is already in the pipeline and is being modeled. Four words he used to describe the next light 'Mech:
  • Humanoid
  • Controversial
  • Specialty Mech
Do you guys have any thoughts? Firestarter? Javelin? Panther?



Link: http://www.nogutsnog...pic,1309.0.html

Urbie!

It's Humanoid, definitely Controversial, and definitely a Speciality 'Mech.

Urbie for sure, it's even been (roughly) designed already:

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Edited by stjobe, 07 November 2013 - 04:47 AM.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 07:52 AM

View PostOdanan, on 07 November 2013 - 03:10 AM, said:

Good stuff!

When thinking about "Controversial", I think about the UrbanMech.

But I guess (and hope) it will be this one, best remaining light mech:

excerpt from a conversation with Stone Profit:
Could be, in light of some twitter comments, and the fact I told to "make the Urbie happen or else" at the Launch Event. And I can be VERY persuasive.

That said, whilst I can always hope, I can think of a few other candidates:

1) Firestarter. Humanoid.
Specialty: Anti-Infantry
Controversy: Flamers currently suck, no infantry.
Reason it won't be: Flamers suck.

2) Valkyrie
Specialty: Long Range Missiles, only 3050 Light Mech to do so stock.
Controversy: Harmony Gold Unseen
Reason it won't be: Not enough variants, HG

3) OstScout
Specialty: Recon, Electronic Warfare
Controversy: Makes the stock spider look over-armed, HG Unseen
Reason it won't be: Not enough variants, nothing new to game

so barring some obscure SLDF design, I would say the Urbie has a good a shot as any. IF they either have solved their engine issue, or just said "scrap it" and gave it a 120XL instead, lol.

View Poststjobe, on 07 November 2013 - 04:47 AM, said:

Urbie!

It's Humanoid, definitely Controversial, and definitely a Speciality 'Mech.

Urbie for sure, it's even been (roughly) designed already:

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and because:
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They already know what the Hero version looks like. :)

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 07:53 AM

Ostscout and Valkyrie are HG unseens.... I vote Hussar (j/k)!

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 09:11 AM

View Postcdlord, on 07 November 2013 - 07:53 AM, said:

Ostscout and Valkyrie are HG unseens.... I vote Hussar (j/k)!

Hussar has awful hardpoints, in the CT only (which avoids hardpoint inflation). It's like a Spider 5V without jump jets.

View PostBishop Steiner, on 07 November 2013 - 07:52 AM, said:

1) Firestarter. Humanoid.
Specialty: Anti-Infantry
Controversy: Flamers currently suck, no infantry.
Reason it won't be: Flamers suck.

Are you drunk? Who plays with stock variants? Put some medium lasers there and you are done.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:02 PM

I still stand by my theory that they'll toss in the Firestarter when flamers are given an overhaul (probably a generous buff to boost a hero sale)
*adjusts foil hat *
Urbie... maybe if enough people write to Santa? ;)

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:33 PM

View PostScrawny Cowboy, on 07 November 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

I still stand by my theory that they'll toss in the Firestarter when flamers are given an overhaul (probably a generous buff to boost a hero sale)
*adjusts foil hat *
Urbie... maybe if enough people write to Santa? ;)

Urbie or Firestarter.
I've been calling them for a long time.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:56 PM

Urbie. I'm even working on a 3039 era Deputy Dawg 1.0, with a slightly new look and radically different armament.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:59 PM

Urbie is a lot more iconic, but I think the Firestarter ultimately has a lot more to offer in terms of gameplay (the Urbie would end up in the same bin as the Lolcust, or even worse). With 8 hardpoints, it might actually stand a chance at matching or possibly even surpassing the Jenner (if given good enough hitboxes).

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:00 PM

Look what I've found... ;)
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Edited by Odanan, 07 November 2013 - 08:07 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:19 PM

View PostOdanan, on 07 November 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Look what I've found... ;)
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that warhammer...NOT the way to get my money





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