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[Odanan]

Ah, not to mention Solaris (a la MW4:M).

[Nathan Foxbane]

Back to 'Mechs.

Tkhaw, on 06 September 2014 - 07:27 AM, said:

The osprey looks like a good addition to the game (in the future), but while reading it on sarna, I came across some other interesting mechs made by Blue Shot Weapons (some lyran company).

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lynx

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cestus

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Starslayer

What are your thoughts on this?

I am not particularly fond of the Lynx, but that is more on aesthetic grounds really. It is also unfortunately extinct right now.

The Cestus is just a fun 'Mech and it is a pity it is also currently extinct. One of my favorite custom variants was a FedCom Civil War era custom mod used by a pilot in the Kathil Militia. It dropped one of the large lasers for max jump jets and an unspecified ton of extra equipment or ammo.

A fun discussion was had about the Starslayer here. We determined the 2C variant was around in limited numbers in 3050, but it was out of production. Hopefully when 3056 rolls around, it will be put into MWO.

I do wish to complain about the 3 variant minimum imposed by PGI. It leaves good 'Mechs like the Enforcer, Bombardier, Wolfhound, Crab, Caesar, Merlin, Grand Dragon, Exterminator, and Devastator off limits.

Anyone else hoping the next IS medium in the release cycle is the Sentinel?

[CycKath]

Nathan Foxbane, on 07 September 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

Anyone else hoping the next IS medium in the release cycle is the Sentinel?

Torn. It would get me another 'Mech off the Tukkayid RAT, but if we are talking ballistic medium either the Hermes II to cover similar ground (minus the missile point) while being more factionally friendly or the Suns workhorse the Enforcer would probably be better to sooner rather than later in the medium bracket.

[CDLord HHGD]

Sentinel and a Champion would be good additions....

Along with the Urbanmech, Panther, Wolfhound, et al.....

[Odanan]

Sentinel would really add to the game, but:

Champion = too similar with the Dragon;
Panther = wouldn't quite work in MWO (few hardpoints, no variant diversity, very slow light mech);
Wolfhound = the Firestarter is much better.

The UrbanMech is obsolete (you can do a better Urbie with a Spider), but it is the UrbanMech. You can't argue against the emotional reasons for bringing the trashcan to the game.

Edited by Odanan, 07 September 2014 - 04:35 PM.

[Ovion]

Technically, you can only do 2-3 builds with the Spiders, and even then, only 1-2 exactly, even with the new Hero Mech.
Otherwise you have to got to the Ember and Raven for closer approcimations in loadout.

The Urbie would likely have 2-3 Ballistic Hard Points and 2-3 Energy Hardpoints, with some have 4-6 Energy, and potentially 4 Energy + ECM.

Plust 'high' mounted ballistics, and the potential for an AC20 on a 30T mech!

[Nathan Foxbane]

Odanan, on 07 September 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

Wolfhound = the Firestarter is much better.

True, but the Wolfhound looks better. I actually like my ground bound builds of the Kit Foxes and I am sure I could get some interesting harassers out of a Wolfhound. The Wolfhound would really shine if we still had RnR and could use RnR in conjunction with private matches to run campaigns. With the rugged standard armor, internals, and engine plus no ammo it would be a tough light to beat in a campaign setting.

[ShadowbaneX]

Odanan, on 07 September 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

The UrbanMech is obsolete (you can do a better Urbie with a Spider), but it is the UrbanMech. You can't argue against the emotional reasons for bringing the trashcan to the game.

Ovion, on 07 September 2014 - 06:02 PM, said:

Plust 'high' mounted ballistics, and the potential for an AC20 on a 30T mech!

A 14 ton weapon, 1-3 tons ammo, 1.5 tons for Endo-Steel, 1 ton for a standard 100 engine (perhaps half a ton if they give us a 60 rating engine), 6 tons of heat sinks (or 8 tons if the 60 rating engine), 0.5 or 1 ton if you want a backup weapon such as a small or medium laser, another ton for a couple of jump jets...which leaves enough tonnage for 2.5 tons of armour.

You might not be able to argue it, but I certainly can. Go grab a Spider-5K and build an AC/10 Urbanmech build and then seriously ask yourself, "would I use this?" Then try to find 3 or 4 tons to squeeze an AC/20 in there.

I get emotional attachment, I long wanted the Shadow Hawk before the Phoenix mechs were released, but at least that's a viable mech. Everything in the lore suggests that surprise was a key element in getting the urbanmech to work, hiding at cross streets or in rubble and then ambushing larger mechs. In MWO where all the maps are the same? Yeah, people are going to learn and then there goes surprised.

The other element was Jump Jets. Sure you can mount some JJs on there, but in CBT rules that could move you 60 meters. You'd barely be able to move 60 centimeters with a pair of JJs in MWO, which means you'd get a shot or two, hopefully one would hit, and then you're annihilated...and with some luck you might actually be able to do your 20 damage...which would amount to about nothing since armour's doubled anyway.

There's a lot of emotional attachment to the Urbanmech, and if it were released a lot of people would buy it...troll around with it for a few matches to the detriment of the people that dropped with them, and then realize how bad it is and then go back to their Timberwolves, Cataphracts or whatever the metas has switched to.

[Odanan]

ShadowbaneX, on 08 September 2014 - 03:57 AM, said:

There's a lot of emotional attachment to the Urbanmech, and if it were released a lot of people would buy it...troll around with it for a few matches to the detriment of the people that dropped with them, and then realize how bad it is and then go back to their Timberwolves, Cataphracts or whatever the metas has switched to.

You are probably right - and so far it looks like that's the PGI's opinion.

That being said, where is my Urbie?

[CDLord HHGD]

Odanan, on 07 September 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

Sentinel would really add to the game, but:

Champion = too similar with the Dragon;
Panther = wouldn't quite work in MWO (few hardpoints, no variant diversity, very slow light mech);
Wolfhound = the Firestarter is much better.

The UrbanMech is obsolete (you can do a better Urbie with a Spider), but it is the UrbanMech. You can't argue against the emotional reasons for bringing the trashcan to the game.

You could do all that, however, for people in stock mech matches (wish my team would), each of those has a uniqueness that cannot be overlooked. Plus, for visual diversity, the more mech's, the better.

[Ens]

isn´t it about time again for the next IS mech reveal?

and there should be a new assault on schedule right?

[Odanan]

cdlord, on 08 September 2014 - 04:43 AM, said:

the more mech's, the better.

You're God darn right.

Ens, on 08 September 2014 - 05:01 AM, said:

isn´t it about time again for the next IS mech reveal?

and there should be a new assault on schedule right?

I'm saving money for the Mauler. (let's hope PGI workaround the Mauler's variants issue)

[DivineEvil]

Odanan, on 08 September 2014 - 05:57 AM, said:

You're God darn right.


I'm saving money for the Mauler. (let's hope PGI workaround the Mauler's variants issue)

It's might as well be the Cyclops. Or Emperor.

[Tkhaw]

DivineEvil, on 08 September 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

It's might as well be the Cyclops. Or Emperor.

Can't say no to the emperor!!!


I am still placing bets on the Mauler!

[Ovion]

ShadowbaneX, on 08 September 2014 - 03:57 AM, said:

_{A 14 ton weapon, 1-3 tons ammo, 1.5 tons for Endo-Steel, 1 ton for a standard 100 engine (perhaps half a ton if they give us a 60 rating engine), 6 tons of heat sinks (or 8 tons if the 60 rating engine), 0.5 or 1 ton if you want a backup weapon such as a small or medium laser, another ton for a couple of jump jets...which leaves enough tonnage for 2.5 tons of armour.}

You might not be able to argue it, but I certainly can. Go grab a Spider-5K and build an AC/10 Urbanmech build and then seriously ask yourself, "would I use this?" Then try to find 3 or 4 tons to squeeze an AC/20 in there.

<sub>I get emotional attachment, I long wanted the Shadow Hawk before the Phoenix mechs were released, but at least that's a viable mech. Everything in the lore suggests that surprise was a key element in getting the urbanmech to work, hiding at cross streets or in rubble and then ambushing larger mechs. In MWO where all the maps are the same? Yeah, people are going to learn and then there goes surprised.

The other element was Jump Jets. Sure you can mount some JJs on there, but in CBT rules that could move you 60 meters. You'd barely be able to move 60 centimeters with a pair of JJs in MWO, which means you'd get a shot or two, hopefully one would hit, and then you're annihilated...and with some luck you might actually be able to do your 20 damage...which would amount to about nothing since armour's doubled anyway.

There's a lot of emotional attachment to the Urbanmech, and if it were released a lot of people would buy it...troll around with it for a few matches to the detriment of the people that dropped with them, and then realize how bad it is and then go back to their Timberwolves, Cataphracts or whatever the metas has switched to.</sub>

If you look at my Signature Image:


Or click on the Sig to see the full sized image:

Spoiler

Or refer to the thread I made about it.

I already did:

Specially bought a 4th spider for it.
Admittedly the UM-R63 (LBX10), rather than the UM-R60 (AC10), but it's pretty amazing, I enjoy it immensly and look forward to (if) they release the real thing.

If / when the Anansi is on sale, I'll probably buy 2.
One to be a Spider and one to be a UM-R60c.

[Odanan]

Out topic, but this could turn out interesting:

PGI bought be Mechwarrior/Battletech IP from IGP.

[Bishop Steiner]

Odanan, on 08 September 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

Out topic, but this could turn out interesting:

PGI bought be Mechwarrior/Battletech IP from IGP.

One set of directives. For better or worse, success or fail, all comes to PGI now, not wondering what demands an out of touch bean counting Publisher (who has demonstrated their mismanagement thru MWT fiasco).

[ShadowbaneX]

Ovion, on 08 September 2014 - 09:37 AM, said:

If you look at my Signature Image

Oh, god...no, I turned those off ages ago.

[Nathan Foxbane]

DivineEvil, on 08 September 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

It's might as well be the Cyclops. Or Emperor.

The Emperor is extinct until 3057 and does not have three variants until 3069 (where it gains five). Safe money is on the Cyclops or Zeus. The Mauler is a long shot without some serious reconsideration of the 3 variant rule (would be great if they did).

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 08 September 2014 - 02:55 PM.

[CycKath]

Nathan Foxbane, on 08 September 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

The Emperor is extinct until 3057 and does not have three variants until 3069 (where it gains five). Safe money is on the Cyclops or Zeus. The Mauler is a long shot without some serious reconsideration of the 3 variant rule (would be great if they did).

Only reason Mauler to trump things like the Cyclops or Zeus is much the same reason as the Mad Cat or Bushwacker love, Mauler appearing in older games (MechWarrior 2: Mercs cover for one) and the cartoon means people recognize it.