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[CDLord HHGD]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 September 2014 - 03:59 PM, said:

Urbanmech IIC

YESSSSSSSSS!!!!

Though on a more realistic note, it might just be another "Hero/Champion" variant of a mech chassis we already have, otherwise how'd we level it out?

[Ovion]

Sadly, the Urbanmech IIC only has 2 variants!

[Nightshade24]

cdlord, on 09 September 2014 - 03:58 PM, said:

I don't see either the Hellbringer or Mad Dog as the exclusive mech.. They are just too iconic. I was hoping BOTH would be in the next Clan lineup, but I guess they had to save something for wave 3.

Maybe the secret mech is a Hunchback IIC!

It isn't an exclusive in a sense. It just means it will be the last mech to be out for c-bills I bet while only people who meet the requirement get a early pre order version (by early I mean before the other stuff for the pack as mentioned)

[Bishop Steiner]

Nightshade24, on 09 September 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

It isn't an exclusive in a sense. It just means it will be the last mech to be out for c-bills I bet while only people who meet the requirement get a early pre order version (by early I mean before the other stuff for the pack as mentioned)

Probably be a "heroed" version, like the Invasion mechs in general. But yeah, nothing exclusive like that cna really stay in a F2P game

[Nightshade24]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 September 2014 - 09:59 PM, said:

Probably be a "heroed" version, like the Invasion mechs in general. But yeah, nothing exclusive like that cna really stay in a F2P game

how would a 'hero' clan mech occur?

The best idea I can think is all omni pods for MC prices besides CT which will be a very cheap 'hero' mech while each omnipod adds to a bonus for the c-bills and such.

Unless it is a clan BATTLEmech or mk IIC variant.

But I doubt IIC will come soon.

Edit: If it's a kodiak for some magical reason I will kill someone to get it.

Edited by Nightshade24, 10 September 2014 - 12:36 AM.

[Ovion]

A Clan hero would likely work (primarily) like the (I) and (G) variants in that the 'Hero' status and Camo Spec applies to the CT.

Then the Omni Pods will work one of 3 ways:
1(most likely imo)
Omni Pods only available with the purchase of the Mech.

2 (still pretty likely)
Omni Pods available at equivalent MC prices.

3 (incredibly unlikely)
Omni Pods available for c-bills.

[MeiSooHaityu]

One way a Clan Hero mech might work is if it used the quirks system to it's advantage.

Maybe a Clan Hero gets the ususal 30% C-Bill boost, special camo, and then has certain quirks only found on the hero mech.

Maybe the mech get a bonus to torso twist agility or speed. It would need to counter to it as well, maybe a nerf to range of motion or internal structure, etc...

Basically just something that makes it unique vs the other chassis available.

[Nightshade24]

Give me the Widowmaker and I'll shuttup .-.

[CDLord HHGD]

I see the Clan exclusive as a chassis and variant we already have, but with a (*) tag (think (F), (S), (P), (I)). Just a cbill boost (which I am fine with). Like now, if you don't have the Sarah's Jenner, you ain't gettin one. It's not a game breaking exclusion either.

It cannot be a new chassis because we couldn't level it out.
It cannot be a variant not otherwise available to others (I mean it technically can, but unlikely).

[Phoenix Branson]

I have been away from MWO for a while now... and I can't believe Community Warfare has not been implemented yet and no new maps in over 9 months. What the hell are they doing? And where is the damn UrbanMech?

Anyways, hope you guys are doing well and off to Star Citizen. I actually enjoyed discussing 'Mechs with your guys. Some of you are lore wizards.

edit: BTW I'm calling the next 'Mech announcement as the Cyclops.

Edited by Maverick01, 10 September 2014 - 07:55 PM.

[wanderer]

Nathan Foxbane, on 04 September 2014 - 09:07 PM, said:

Well, he also designed the Devastator and the Clans never even bothered with those. Granted, they only had a couple prototypes to work with, but as evidenced by the Great Wyrm they had the plans for EVERYTHING.

Of course the Exterminator, the personal ride of Kerensky's brother, never got a non-stealth IIC variant and he gave them their precious Zellbrigen.

I think it is mostly because Kerensky has become a, to be frank, cult figure. And speaking of his Orion, why did he leave that behind the first place? Better yet, what was Theodore Kurita thinking piloting it instead of hoarding it in a museum or in the palace for bragging rights?

The Orion was scrapped as being too much effort to fix after it got the royal beating on the drive to reclaim Terra from the Usurper. Being without ego-tripping (unlike his children), he naturally chucked the thing and drove something else. And Kerensky really did drive a stock Orion. No fancy stuff for him, he rolled in what the line troops did- though being League machinery, he obviously had access to the usual specialty munitions for things like the LRM launcher. At that point, it was a museum piece that would have taken obscene amounts of time and effort to restore to combat-effective.

Y'know, like if a Successor House was building something for it's heir or the like.

[CycKath]

wanderer, on 10 September 2014 - 08:25 PM, said:

The Orion was scrapped as being too much effort to fix after it got the royal beating on the drive to reclaim Terra from the Usurper. Being without ego-tripping (unlike his children), he naturally chucked the thing and drove something else. And Kerensky really did drive a stock Orion. No fancy stuff for him, he rolled in what the line troops did- though being League machinery, he obviously had access to the usual specialty munitions for things like the LRM launcher. At that point, it was a museum piece that would have taken obscene amounts of time and effort to restore to combat-effective.

Y'know, like if a Successor House was building something for it's heir or the like.

Um, he had a modified 1K sporting a Gauss Rifle and a Snub-Nose PPC. The Protector in MWO is basically the same mech save trading a little armor to use a standard PPC instead

[Bishop Steiner]

wanderer, on 10 September 2014 - 08:25 PM, said:

The Orion was scrapped as being too much effort to fix after it got the royal beating on the drive to reclaim Terra from the Usurper. Being without ego-tripping (unlike his children), he naturally chucked the thing and drove something else. And Kerensky really did drive a stock Orion. No fancy stuff for him, he rolled in what the line troops did- though being League machinery, he obviously had access to the usual specialty munitions for things like the LRM launcher. At that point, it was a museum piece that would have taken obscene amounts of time and effort to restore to combat-effective.

Y'know, like if a Successor House was building something for it's heir or the like.

ON1-K Kerensky
The personal BattleMech of Commanding General Aleksandr Kerensky during the war against the Usurper. Designers removed the LRM-15 and Autocannon/10 to make room for other equipment, adding an experimental Snub-Nose PPC in the left torso and an Artemis IV Fire Control System for the SRMs. The right torso has a Gauss Rifle in the former location of the autocannon. The medium lasers from the original model are retained. Finally, ferro-fibrous armor and CASE are used for added protection.

taken from Sarna

[wanderer]

CycKath, on 10 September 2014 - 09:03 PM, said:

Um, he had a modified 1K sporting a Gauss Rifle and a Snub-Nose PPC. The Protector in MWO is basically the same mech save trading a little armor to use a standard PPC instead

Yep. It got field-upgraded during the war- but it started life as a bog-standard -K. Much of that gear got pasted in along the way to Terra, much like say Christifori's Penetrator got it's Clantech laser mounts- but the "factory specs" in it's cockpit system were classic IS-tech machinery. By the point the chassis got jettisoned in the Periphery as junk, it'd been stripped down to the frame and was certainly missing all of it's equipment and armor.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Kinda makes you wonder what Yen-lo went through before the Allards got their hands on it.
CN9-A was a workhorse, so the chassis probably had some history.

[Strum Wealh]

Shar Wolf, on 11 September 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

Kinda makes you wonder what Yen-lo went through before the Allards got their hands on it.
CN9-A was a workhorse, so the chassis probably had some history.

See chapter 22 of Warrior: En Garde; Justin Xiang (operating undercover for the FedSuns) first acquires the Centurion that is to become Yen-Lo-Wang with a "loan" from Kym Sorenson (also an agent of the FedSuns) while on Solaris, and the 'Mech is introduced already in its modified configuration (AC/20 in place of AC/10, no missiles, etc).

From what the Sarna page says, the original Centurion factory along the FWL/CapCon border was destroyed in 2845 (during the Second Succession War), and the Centurion was out of active production until a new factory was built on New Avalon (the FedSuns capital world) for Corean Enterprises in 3012, with Jalastar Aerospace receiving a license to build a second Centurion factory on Panpour in 3047.

With Yen-Lo-Wang's first fight on Solaris being on March 20, 3027, there is a good chance - albeit not a total certainty - that Yen-Lo-Wang was originally built at the New Avalon facility (and perhaps might have even been fresh-off-the-assembly-line) and delivered to Justin (who, in addition to being a loyal FedSuns operative merely posing as otherwise, was also a close personal friend of the First Prince himself) on Solaris as part of the operation.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Strum Wealh, on 11 September 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

See chapter 22 of Warrior: En Garde;

I remember that part - but I also remember that they introduce the mech as being rebuilt... or modified, as Justin looks up at it.

I always figured that he had done the AC swap around then, to make it a more viable dueling mech for Solaris, as they do not mention the change in ACs until toward the end of his first fight in it.

They also mention that the Centurion was not a well thought of mech (partially due to the AC being known to jam frequently) so the other fighter was more than willing to let him shoot him with it... until it hit him.

Got any source for the idea that it was modified with the AC20 before he got it?
(Not doubting you outright, but the book could go either way as it needed a LOT of repair when he got it)

[Strum Wealh]

Shar Wolf, on 11 September 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

I remember that part - but I also remember that they introduce the mech as being rebuilt... or modified, as Justin looks up at it.

I always figured that he had done the AC swap around then, to make it a more viable dueling mech for Solaris, as they do not mention the change in ACs until toward the end of his first fight in it.

They also mention that the Centurion was not a well thought of mech (partially due to the AC being known to jam frequently) so the other fighter was more than willing to let him shoot him with it... until it hit him.

Got any source for the idea that it was modified with the AC20 before he got it?
(Not doubting you outright, but the book could go either way as it needed a LOT of repair when he got it)

That chapter is the first mention of the Centurion that is to be known as Yen-Lo-Wang in the book, and it is introduced as "[Justin's] first fight outside the Vindicator owned by his partner, Fuh Teng".

The same chapter also mentions that Justin was expecting his opponent to expect a standard CN9-A loadout ("He'll recall that the Luxor autocannon in the right arm often jams. He won't try to sneak up on me because one of my two medium lasers covers my rear arc. He knows we both pack LRMs, so he'll probably expect a long-range duel."), and then mentions "...the Pontiac Autocannon/20 for which he'd sacrificed his LRMs and installed in place of the Luxor...".
In fact, the chapter opens with "...Tung Yuan appeared from inside the tall 'Mech's right arm, removed his welding goggles, and snapped the armored panel into place...", indicating that either modification or maintenance of YLW had just been completed before its first-ever fight with Justin on Solaris.

Given the importance of the operation to the FedSuns, and Justin & Kym's vagueness regarding the channels & cost of acquisition ("I hope you got it cheap.", "Cheap enough.", "It's only a loan, you realize."), and the modifications that let Justin control the YLW's left arm with his own prosthetic left arm ("Through the cable hanging from his left wrist, he guided the 'Mech's huge left hand.", which would non-standard hardware & software interfaces), and Justin's connections to Hanse Davion, it stands to reason that YLW could be a new-construction unit (as opposed to entrusting an important operation & one of the Suns' important operatives to an older machine).

However, the text seems to indicate that YLW started life as a standard CN9-A, but it is already modified into its custom configuration by the time the chapter begins (e.g. when the reader is first introduced to the 'Mech).

[Bishop Steiner]

Strum Wealh, on 11 September 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

See chapter 22 of Warrior: En Garde; Justin Xiang (operating undercover for the FedSuns) first acquires the Centurion that is to become Yen-Lo-Wang with a "loan" from Kym Sorenson (also an agent of the FedSuns) while on Solaris, and the 'Mech is introduced already in its modified configuration (AC/20 in place of AC/10, no missiles, etc).

From what the Sarna page says, the original Centurion factory along the FWL/CapCon border was destroyed in 2845 (during the Second Succession War), and the Centurion was out of active production until a new factory was built on New Avalon (the FedSuns capital world) for Corean Enterprises in 3012, with Jalastar Aerospace receiving a license to build a second Centurion factory on Panpour in 3047.

With Yen-Lo-Wang's first fight on Solaris being on March 20, 3027, there is a good chance - albeit not a total certainty - that Yen-Lo-Wang was originally built at the New Avalon facility (and perhaps might have even been fresh-off-the-assembly-line) and delivered to Justin (who, in addition to being a loyal FedSuns operative merely posing as otherwise, was also a close personal friend of the First Prince himself) on Solaris as part of the operation.

All said though, would say, that that is a very easily traced trail for such an important subterfuge. Since the model of Mech was not really important for his mission, I would submit that the mech was probably just a market purchased CN9-A. I doubt Kym had the money outright for it, but with her wealth and noble connections, getting the credit to obtain it would have been relatively easy on Solaris.

[SgtMagor]

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