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[CycKath]

Blaster Cannon will means extra work (new coding at least, not to mention how to balance against other weapons. True pinpoint damage equal to one and a half large lasers or Clan ER PPC style spread?new visual? new sound?) so I doubt we will see the 6Y, certainly not a canon weapon one.

[Nathan Foxbane]

CycKath, on 24 September 2014 - 08:15 PM, said:

Blaster Cannon will means extra work (new coding at least, not to mention how to balance against other weapons. True pinpoint damage equal to one and a half large lasers or Clan ER PPC style spread?new visual? new sound?) so I doubt we will see the 6Y, certainly not a canon weapon one.

The Binary Laser Cannon is functionally identical to any other standard Laser as it is not much more than two Large Lasers fused together. Why it would be PP FLD or even PP FLD with splash? And yes, it is indeed a canon weapon. The coding part would hopefully be a bit streamlined by now, but mostly it will give some more variety to IS lasers. Balancing it should not be too hard since it really more of a big gun beam option for 'Mechs with available criticals, weight and heat capacity, but limited energy hardpoints. Better yet is that it is a post Exodus weapon so the Clans have no equivalent.

[Odanan]

Nathan Foxbane, on 24 September 2014 - 07:49 PM, said:

FTFY.

Thanks!

Nathan Foxbane, on 24 September 2014 - 07:49 PM, said:

I am a bit surprised the Hermes II did not make your medium list.

Well, yeah... Hermes II is not a bad mech, but I prefer the other 3.

[Logan Hawke]

Hey, um, hi. Has anyone suggested the Talos and Toro yet? They're two of my most favorite mechs ever. While there isn't exactly much in the way of variants for them, considering how eclectic and all over the place the periphery is, PGI making a few new variants as 'common modifications' would be pretty reasonable I think. I just really want them in game :3

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Talos

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Toro

Yes I'm dirty periphery scum. What can I say, I like rooting for the underdog.

Edited by Logan Hawke, 25 September 2014 - 04:12 AM.

[Tkhaw]

Logan Hawke, on 25 September 2014 - 04:10 AM, said:

Hey, um, hi. Has anyone suggested the Talos and Toro yet? They're two of my most favorite mechs ever. While there isn't exactly much in the way of variants for them, considering how eclectic and all over the place the periphery is, PGI making a few new variants as 'common modifications' would be pretty reasonable I think. I just really want them in game :3

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Talos

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Toro

Yes I'm dirty periphery scum. What can I say, I like rooting for the underdog.

Both are interesting, but too bad, not enough variants

[Ovion]

Yeah, with the grand total of 3 variants between them, it means we aren't likely to see it unless they adjust that rule.

[Nathan Foxbane]

Logan Hawke, on 25 September 2014 - 04:10 AM, said:

Hey, um, hi. Has anyone suggested the Talos and Toro yet? They're two of my most favorite mechs ever. While there isn't exactly much in the way of variants for them, considering how eclectic and all over the place the periphery is, PGI making a few new variants as 'common modifications' would be pretty reasonable I think. I just really want them in game :3

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Talos

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Toro

Yes I'm dirty periphery scum. What can I say, I like rooting for the underdog.

As mentioned above the variants are a bit scant, they also happen to be more than a bit extinct.

[Odanan]

So, any news about the "IS Pack"? (help me to storm Russ on Twitter)

[Ens]

man i´d love to see this happen!

[Tkhaw]

Impatient already???

Me too...

[SgtMagor]

well, we know there is a Zeus, Cyclops and maybe a Charger probably getting worked on. now they just need to add the Heavy, medium, and light mech. would like to see the Grasshopper for a heavy!  http://www.sarna.net...Grasshopper.jpgbetter pic http://projectbtu.fi...ncept_final.jpg

Edited by SgtMagor, 28 September 2014 - 06:39 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Nathan Foxbane, on 24 September 2014 - 08:32 PM, said:

The Binary Laser Cannon is functionally identical to any other standard Laser as it is not much more than two Large Lasers fused together. Why it would be PP FLD or even PP FLD with splash? And yes, it is indeed a canon weapon. The coding part would hopefully be a bit streamlined by now, but mostly it will give some more variety to IS lasers. Balancing it should not be too hard since it really more of a big gun beam option for 'Mechs with available criticals, weight and heat capacity, but limited energy hardpoints. Better yet is that it is a post Exodus weapon so the Clans have no equivalent.

better question is ...why in almost any scenario would anyone want it, lest they majorly break the canon design?

It's 4 crits and 9 tons..... and does the same heat as 2 large lasers, but only 75% of the damage of 2. In TT they ALMOST made sense as all that damage hit one location..... except that PPCs and ER PPCs were still better. (2 less damage, but also heat that ranged from 1 pt to 6 pts lower, significantly better range and were 2 tons lighter and 1 crit smaller to boot), especially since MWO has perfect convergence anyhow.

The design was scrapped and ignored for a reason. It's simply a bad design. We already have bad weapons in the game.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 September 2014 - 06:44 AM.

[Metus regem]

Fair point Bishop, I'd call the bulk of the clan ballistics the bad weapons...

[Spheroid]

They could make a very different and very unusal weapon if they kept the range but radically shortened the cooldown timer. If they combined that with a long beam duration it would play different from both the standard and pulse laser.

As long as the weight and range are lore, I will allow them to tweak anything else.

Edited by Spheroid, 28 September 2014 - 07:26 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Spheroid, on 28 September 2014 - 07:23 AM, said:

They could make a very different and very unusal weapon if they kept the range but radically shortened the cooldown timer. If they combined that with a long beam duration it would play different from both the standard and pulse laser.

As long as the weight and range are lore, I will allow them to tweak anything else.

personally I'd rather they spend that time making the Pulse Lasers in general, more worth their weight, in more scenarios.

[Molossian Dog]

My personal opinion is that PGI should totally skip the Charger idea and go straight for the Hatamoto series.

If I would encounter a Charger that would not absolutely suck in game, then it wouldn´t actually be a Charger. (leaving melee and unique Mechs aside)
The Hatamoto has variants galore. It has unique looks. The samurai theme was even part of the design process to instill some more snake pride. It gives the Dracs an assault that is clearly meant for them. (admittedly the Mauler cover that too)

Finally it is a samurai robot. Who wouldn´t like a samurai robot?

[Bishop Steiner]

Molossian Dog, on 28 September 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:

Finally it is a samurai robot. Who wouldn´t like a samurai robot?

the thousands of us who play Battletech/Mechwarrior specifically because it is NOT Gundam Wing?

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 September 2014 - 06:41 AM, said:

better question is ...why in almost any scenario would anyone want it, lest they majorly break the canon design?

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Are there any weapons in MWO that don't majorly break the canon design?


As for the Blazer, here are my own 2-minute ideas for its stats:

<Weapon id="1015" name="BinaryLaser" HardpointAliases="Energy,Laser" faction="InnerSphere">
	<Loc nameTag="@BL" descTag="@BL_desc" iconTag="StoreIcons\BinaryLaser.dds" />
	<WeaponStats Health="10" slots="4" type="Energy" projectileclass="" numFiring="1" damage="16.0" heatdamage="0" heatpenalty="2.8" minheatpenaltylevel="3" impulse="0.0" heatPenaltyID="3" heat="14.0" cooldown="3.5" ammoType="" ammoPerShot="0" minRange="0" longRange="450" maxRange="900" visRange="1500" tons="9" duration="1.2" lifetime="0" speed="0" volleydelay="0.0" maxDepth="10.0" />
	<EffectList>
	  <Effect name="Beam" asset="Objects/weapons/laser_beam_binary.cgf" />
	  <Effect name="BeamCap" asset="Objects/weapons/laser_impact_binary.cgf" />
	  <!--time : time it takes for the beam to scale to 100% for x,z scale	 distance :  how much the beam grows in one sec-->
	  <Effect name="ParticleBeam" asset="" />
	  <Effect name="TraceEffects" asset="laser_binary" />
	  <Effect name="Sound:Fire" asset="sounds/weapons:lasers:laser_binary_fire" float="0.0" />
	  <Effect name="Sound:PostFire" asset="sounds/weapons:lasers:laser_binary_power" float="0.0" />
	  <Effect name="DamageBrush" asset="Textures\\decals\\damage_brushes\\laser_binary.tif" />
	  <Effect name="DamageBrushType" asset="laser" float="32" float2="32" />
	  <Effect name="Projector:icecave" asset="textures/defaults/sparks_test.dds" vector="0.243,0.411,1.0" float="0.5" float2="1.5" float3="12" float4="160" float5="80" float6="6.5" num="9" />
	</EffectList>
	<Audio OnDestroyedDialogue="BB_BinaryLaser_Destroyed" />
  </Weapon>

TL;DR:

Pros:

• 1 ton less
  
• Slightly better heat efficiency due to slightly longer cooldown and beam duration (2LL = 1.65 heat per second and 14 heat per beam second, BLC = 2.95 heat per second and 11.67 heat per beam second)
  
• Only needs 1 hardpoint

Cons:

• 2 less alpha damage
  
• 0.2s longer duration
  
• Lower DPS due to slightly cooldown and beam duration (4.24 DPS vs 3.37 DPS)

Edited by FupDup, 28 September 2014 - 08:19 AM.

[Molossian Dog]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 September 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:

the thousands of us who play Battletech/Mechwarrior specifically because it is NOT Gundam Wing?

You´re a spokesperson for thousands now? Impressive, dear Bishop.

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Stupid quarrels over aesthetics aside, I still hope I have never to lay eyes on an effective Charger build. Takes away all the Charger flavour.

[Bishop Steiner]

Molossian Dog, on 28 September 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

You´re a spokesperson for thousands now? Impressive, dear Bishop.

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Stupid quarrels over aesthetics aside, I still hope I have never to lay eyes on an effective Charger build. Takes away all the Charger flavour.

every bit as much as you are.