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[Ovion]

Suddenly, I want a Cent.D

Edited by Ovion, 30 October 2014 - 01:54 PM.

[ShadowbaneX]

Odanan, on 30 October 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

Oh, I think I know!
Grayson Carlyle's Shadow Hawk + Lori Kalmar's Locust, from the first Battletech book, Decision at Thunder Rift.

Anything different about these mech's loadouts, or were they just stock in the novels?

[Cimarb]

ShadowbaneX, on 30 October 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Anything different about these mech's loadouts, or were they just stock in the novels?

Nothing I can find, no. I would assume any details would be in an obscure mission file somewhere, but I will leave that to the real experts here...

[Odanan]

ShadowbaneX, on 30 October 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Anything different about these mech's loadouts, or were they just stock in the novels?

Stock, at least in the first 3 books about the Grey Death Legion.

[ShadowbaneX]

Odanan, on 30 October 2014 - 05:37 PM, said:

Stock, at least in the first 3 books about the Grey Death Legion.

I love me my Shadow Hawks, but I personally think SRM2s are useless, and dropping it and it's ammo for a second ML and a pair of Jump Jets, gives a bit more damage for the mech and more maneuverability...and it's not as if it needs to worry about the extra heat.

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with for these hero mechs. I sorta hope that they give us a pair of Shadow Hawks instead of a Shadow Hawk & a Locust.

[Cimarb]

ShadowbaneX, on 30 October 2014 - 06:07 PM, said:

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with for these hero mechs. I sorta hope that they give us a pair of Shadow Hawks instead of a Shadow Hawk & a Locust.

I do not. Not only are there already several Shadow Hawk variants , but they are one of the most prevalent medium mechs in the game. Adding two more of the same chassis is wasteful, and at no point in the Carlyles career did they both pilot one at the same time, so it would be horrible from a lore standpoint too.

[CycKath]

Everybody is thinking novel husband and Wife couples, but many of the Heroes we get at based off Technical Readout notable pilots...

[ShadowbaneX]

Cimarb, on 30 October 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:

I do not. Not only are there already several Shadow Hawk variants , but they are one of the most prevalent medium mechs in the game. Adding two more of the same chassis is wasteful, and at no point in the Carlyles career did they both pilot one at the same time, so it would be horrible from a lore standpoint too.

but, but, I love me dem Shadow Hawks...ok, I'm tolerant of the 2K since it's Kuritan and am eternally thankful there's no 2L (or any L) because Capellans are horrible people and they should feel bad. I mean Alex has done marvelous things with some horrible artwork in the TROs (Highlander aka Nintendo-bot I'm looking at you) but I don't think I can ever forgive him for painting the concept art for the Shadow Hawk pink and then tainting it with that horrible green triangle.

I'll never say no to more Shadow Hawks, but you're probably right, two of them would be excessive...and expensive as I'd have to buy both of them.

[Nathan Foxbane]

Odanan, on 30 October 2014 - 05:37 PM, said:

Stock, at least in the first 3 books about the Grey Death Legion.

The Shadowhawk is stock in Operation: Excaliber too. So both were still stock at the time of their destruction.

Wouldn't be two Shadowhawks, since it was the same Shadowhawks in the first place.

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 30 October 2014 - 09:00 PM.

[Odanan]

Nathan Foxbane, on 30 October 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

The Shadowhawk is stock in Operation: Excaliber too. So both were still stock at the time of their destruction.

Wouldn't be two Shadowhawks, since it was the same Shadowhawks in the first place.

Like most of the hero mechs owned by canonical characters. The Dragon Slayer, Firebrand, Heavy Metal, Arrow, etc. were all stock.

[Cimarb]

Odanan, on 30 October 2014 - 10:24 PM, said:

Like most of the hero mechs owned by canonical characters. The Dragon Slayer, Firebrand, Heavy Metal, Arrow, etc. were all stock.

Yeah, customization was not a luxury even the most influential people could manage usually. It is by far the exception to the rule, rather than how easily it is done in MWO. That whole time/cost thing, ya know...

[CDLord HHGD]

Odanan, on 30 October 2014 - 05:37 PM, said:

Stock, at least in the first 3 books about the Grey Death Legion.

I thought Lori piloted a Shadowhawk? Or at least she did in Operation Excalibur (maybe not within the first three?)....

[Strum Wealh]

cdlord, on 31 October 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

I thought Lori piloted a Shadowhawk? Or at least she did in Operation Excalibur (maybe not within the first three?)....

She started in a Locust (recall the (in)famous scene in D@TR of her climbing out it (given how scantily-clad & sweaty MechWarriors typically are) & subsequently being saved from a band of opposing infantry by Grayson...), and (IIRC) got Grayson's Shadow Hawk after he moved up to a Marauder.

[Cimarb]

Strum Wealh, on 31 October 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

She started in a Locust (recall the (in)famous scene in D@TR of her climbing out it (given how scantily-clad & sweaty MechWarriors typically are) & subsequently being saved from a band of opposing infantry by Grayson...), and (IIRC) got Grayson's Shadow Hawk after he moved up to a Marauder.

Yeah, she pretty much got his sloppy seconds every time he upgraded...

[CDLord HHGD]

Still waiting for Grinner

I think I'll be waiting a while....

Also, shameless attempt to bump this awesome thread.

[Odanan]

cdlord, on 01 November 2014 - 01:08 PM, said:

Still waiting for Grinner

I think I'll be waiting a while....

Also, shameless attempt to bump this awesome thread.

Wolfhound? Considering how good the Panther looks, I would love to see the Alex Iglesias' take on the 'Hound. In fact, it would be great to see the Panther and the 'Hound in a dogfight.

But the next packs will be those two:

Odanan, on 23 October 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Clan Wave III (featuring Clan Smoke Jaguar and Clan Ghost Bear favorites.Timeline: 3049):

- Light: Arctic Cheetah/Hankyu - signature Smoke Jaguar mech
- Medium: Viper/Firefly - very common, early invader, Ghost Bear favorite medium mech
- Heavy: Ebon Jaguar/Cauldron-Born - iconic, signature Smoke Jaguar mech
- Assault: Kingfisher - very old design, still used by CGB and CSJ - and a rare 90 tons Clanner
Reinforcements: Huntsman/Nobori-nin, Mongrel/Grendel (the Grendel was only mass produced in 3053)

Comstar Pack:

- Light: Mongoose, Jackrabbit
- Medium: Crab, Sentinel (or Wyvern)
- Heavy: Black Knight, Exterminator
- Assault: Cyclops, Pillager (only 2 variants, but PGI could create one, like they did with the Enforcer)
Reinforcements: Thug, Crockett

(OK, the Pillager is a long shot, but can't think of a better IS mech for the higher tier)

Edited by Odanan, 01 November 2014 - 02:06 PM.

[Hoax415]

Probably the Cyclops AND Charger if for some reason they did a 8 mech pack. Or if they were worried about people who want "good" mechs it'd probably be the Crockett which should translate well to MWO with lots of hardpoints. I can see the Pillager appealing to the munchkin crowd though especially with a PGI designed variant.

Guillotine, Excalibur, Lancelot AND Champion all seem like better picks than the Exterminator.

If the Comstar pack, which I expect but I expect it to be 4 mechs, is 8 mechs and they need a second light mech beyond the Mongoose. I'd say it could be the Hermes without any timeline problems unlike the Jackrabbit.

Oh and if they were doing a 8-mech pack it would 100% have the Urbanmech as a Vulture type reward requiring that you buy the top tier Comstar pack plus the top tier of Resistance pack. Probably the Urbanmech and the Thug or something like that.

Edited by Hoax415, 01 November 2014 - 05:43 PM.

[SweetJackal]

Cimarb, on 31 October 2014 - 07:41 AM, said:

Yeah, customization was not a luxury even the most influential people could manage usually. It is by far the exception to the rule, rather than how easily it is done in MWO. That whole time/cost thing, ya know...

One really nice thing about the Succession Wars era is that we've got hundreds of years with conflicts all over the Inner Sphere in which thousands of battles with countless individual mech warriors that haven't been penned to paper.

When you look at it in that setting you have mechs being cannibalized for parts in the field either in the form of won salvage or mechs that were damaged beyond the immediate window for repair. Though not fitting into any official factory variant it would be more common than you would think to replace damaged equipment out in the field with whatever was available. These deviations wouldn't have been done as a luxury but rather a necessity and would likely be corrected back to official factory variants if they were returned to their manufacturing plants (for reasons of tactical doctrine or just seen as inferior) and there likely would be little to no note of them existing unless some event made them famous.

Atleast that is the way I view it. Modifications of a damaged unit make more sense than taking a functioning unit out of service for a custom job.

[Cimarb]

SuckyJack, on 01 November 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

One really nice thing about the Succession Wars era is that we've got hundreds of years with conflicts all over the Inner Sphere in which thousands of battles with countless individual mech warriors that haven't been penned to paper.

When you look at it in that setting you have mechs being cannibalized for parts in the field either in the form of won salvage or mechs that were damaged beyond the immediate window for repair. Though not fitting into any official factory variant it would be more common than you would think to replace damaged equipment out in the field with whatever was available. These deviations wouldn't have been done as a luxury but rather a necessity and would likely be corrected back to official factory variants if they were returned to their manufacturing plants (for reasons of tactical doctrine or just seen as inferior) and there likely would be little to no note of them existing unless some event made them famous.

Atleast that is the way I view it. Modifications of a damaged unit make more sense than taking a functioning unit out of service for a custom job.

I agree, but replacing a medium laser and LRM20 with an ERPPC is not exactly an easy thing. It takes time and money, even if those are the only parts you have.

[Nathan Foxbane]

Hoax415, on 01 November 2014 - 05:39 PM, said:

Guillotine, Excalibur, Lancelot AND Champion all seem like better picks than the Exterminator.

The Guillotine, Lancelot and Champion are common 'Mechs. Exterminator variants other than the 4A are packed with stealth gear that makes ECM look almost tame. The only one regular IS troops would have access to is the 4A and it is extinct (though despite what Sarna says it is a solid 'Mech. The Excalibur would be the only one truly unique to Comstar. Personally, I prefer the Exterminator, even without all the advanced stealth gear.