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#781 Odanan

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 04:52 AM

Continuing my study of the next mechs, here are the variants the Blackjack would have.
It's easier the best candidate for next medium (besides, I love symmetry).

BJ-1 (jump)

LA 1b, 1e
LT 1e
CT
H
RT 1e
RA 1b, 1e

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BJ-1DB (jump)

LA 1e
LT 1e
CT
H
RT 1e
RA 1e
(+2 energy hardpoints, probably in the side torsos - to make it different from the BJ-3)

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BJ-1DC

LA 1b, 1e
LT 2e
CT
H
RT 2e
RA 1b, 1e

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BJ-2 (jump, double HS)

LA 1e
LT 2m
CT
H
RT 2m
RA 1e

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BJ-3 (jump, double HS)

LA 2e
LT 1e
CT
H
RT 1e
RA 2e

I think the Blackjack would be useful (it would be cool to have a small sniper), not only a "poor man's" Catapult K2 and JagerMech.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 05:07 AM

Call me crazy (Go on.. do it. I DARE YOU!)...

I think the next medium may actually be the Assassin.

We'll see. I'd like the Blackjack too, but I think we may see the Assassin. It's an alternative (very) fast medium, that sports jump jets unlike the cicada, and has missiles in it's primary configuration vs. pure energy or energy/ballistic on the cicada.

It's a pretty decent choice for the fast medium to compete and be an alternative to the Cicada.

In the mean time, Odanan, sorry I haven't gotten with you to play a game or two as yet, will work on that with you soon I hope. Will try and coordinate getting with you on our teamspeak and drop a few matches with ya. ;)

Chat with you more later, I'm off to bed here. Just got done with a 12 hour night shift.

<S> See ya dirtside.

-Colonel Andrew "Havoc" Davis
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#783 Odanan

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 05:23 AM

For those Vindicator fans (yes, I'm talking to you, Capelans).
4 variants, 2 of them the same, except for the engine size and armor. I don't know...

VND-1R (jump)

LA 1e
LT 1m
CT
H 1e
RT
RA 1e
(maybe +1 hardpoint)

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VND-1AA (jump, faster engine)

LA 1e
LT 1m
CT
H 1e
RT
RA 1e
(maybe +1 hardpoint)

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VND-2R (jump, double HS, endo steel)

LA
LT 1m (probably 2m)
CT
H 1e
RT
RA 1e
(maybe +1 hardpoint)

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VND-3L (jump, double HS)

LA
LT 1m
CT
H 1e
RT
RA 1e (probably 2e)
(maybe +1 hardpoint)


...


And here are the 3 variants the Assassin can sport:

ASN-101 (jump)

LA
LT 1e, 1m
CT
H 1e
RT 1e, 1m
RA 1e

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ASN-21 (jump)

LA
LT 1m
CT
H
RT 1m
RA 1e
(probably +3 hardpoints)

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ASN-23 (jump)

LA
LT
CT
H
RT 1m
RA 1e
(probably +4 hardpoints, something like RT 3m, RA 3e) -> you see you can disarm the mech by just destroying its Right Torso.


Possible? Yes. But not likely...

Edited by Odanan, 03 November 2012 - 01:21 PM.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 05:42 AM

Man, what happened to the 45t and 55t mediums? Why all these 50t mediums? Either way...

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 05:44 AM

idle talk - we will see what comes next

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:10 AM

View PostZyllos, on 01 November 2012 - 05:42 AM, said:

Man, what happened to the 45t and 55t mediums? Why all these 50t mediums? Either way...


The trio Hunchback, Centurion and Trebuchet has the best (non-unseen) medium mechs for the game. Yes, they all have 50 tons, but still, they are canonically common, have lots of good variants, and perform well in the MWO. We can't say the same for 55 tons mechs (have either few variants or are uncommon).

45 tons = Blackjack. Soon. ;)

Edited by Odanan, 01 November 2012 - 10:11 AM.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:15 AM

View Postr4plez, on 01 November 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

idle talk - we will see what comes next


There will always be speculation. Is it idle talk? - Sure. But so it is 99% of the posts in any forum.
So why not have a healthy and rational talk about the MWO mechs?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:16 AM

Ya, I am just over expecting too much.

I would like to have 3 different mechs + 3 variants for each tonnage from 20 to 100. ;)

123 unique mechs!

Edited by Zyllos, 01 November 2012 - 10:19 AM.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:22 AM

View PostZyllos, on 01 November 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

Ya, I am just over expecting too much.

I would like to have 3 different mechs + 3 variants for each tonnage from 20 to 100. ;)

72 unique mechs!



That's hard.
Some tonnages are barely represented, and some mechs simply don't have 3 variants.

But to be honest, I would prefer the devs to "cut out" some variants too similar to each other, restricting to only 3 variants per chassis (as we can't have 4 of each).

(I like patterns)

Edited by Odanan, 01 November 2012 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:43 AM

Good info. Glad its back and able to read. Thanks.


How long till I see my Daishi ?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:28 AM

View PostReD3y3, on 01 November 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

Good info. Glad its back and able to read. Thanks.


How long till I see my Daishi ?


About a year, I guess.
Anyway, I think they will left this 100 tons monster for the last 3050 clan mech.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:43 AM

Let me get this straight....

The current timeline is 3049 correct? and this game is going to follow real time? so it is currently 11-1-3049....

Because if it is were in deep dodo, 3049: Clans invade the Periphery, contact established with the Clans, Operation Revival takes place.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 04:33 PM

My predictions for the next BattleMechs are as follows...

BattleMech 18: Blackjack (Medium) on Wednesday, November 7
BattleMech 19: Orion (Heavy) on Wednesday, November 28
BattleMech 20: Zeus (Assault) on Wednesday, December 19

This will round out the weight classes with 5 mechs each. Only time will tell...

Edited by Maverick01, 01 November 2012 - 04:38 PM.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

View PostMaverick01, on 01 November 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

My predictions for the next BattleMechs are as follows...

BattleMech 18: Blackjack (Medium) on Wednesday, November 7
BattleMech 19: Orion (Heavy) on Wednesday, November 28
BattleMech 20: Zeus (Assault) on Wednesday, December 19

This will round out the weight classes with 5 mechs each. Only time will tell...


You may be right about that!

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 04:59 PM

Patterns are overrated...

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 05:34 PM

View PostThontor, on 01 November 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

Correct... But nobody cares about the periphery... They'll invade the inner sphere proper in March.

Well it's not the Inner Sphere I'm all that worried about.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/3048
2. Norse-Storm BattleMechs Inc. fields the Devastator BattleMech.
3. Federated Commonwealth introduced the AXM-1N Axman BattleMech
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/3049
1. August 13th: Phelan Kell captured by Clan Wolf.
2. The AXM-2N Axman BattleMech variant is introduced.
3. The AWS-9M Awesome BattleMech variant was introduced.
4. Sharron was a noted Trebuchet pilot and she named her machine Snowball. Her Trebuchet was a customized 5N variant, which later became an official version known as the 7N. She piloted a total of three of these machine until her death in 3049.

PGI better get hopping....I feel were already behind, game wise.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:13 PM

View PostOdanan, on 27 June 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

The clans invade the Inner Sphere proper in March, 3050 (that's March, 2013 for us players).
There are 16 clan onmi mechs in 3050 (IS names / clan names):


kinda sad that they rely on the TRO and not the timeline for their Clan mechs. ok, even though Shadowcats don't appear in the TRO until 3058, they show up in the IS at Luthien and certainly fully deployed at Tukayyid soon thereafter in 3052. They were originally designed in 3003 and were being built by 3010. not that i'm necessarily a fan of Shadowcats or anything... :D

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 04:51 AM

There was also a news about a Jump Ship missing in the Periphery...

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:09 AM

View PostMaverick01, on 01 November 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

My predictions for the next BattleMechs are as follows...

BattleMech 18: Blackjack (Medium) on Wednesday, November 7
BattleMech 19: Orion (Heavy) on Wednesday, November 28
BattleMech 20: Zeus (Assault) on Wednesday, December 19

This will round out the weight classes with 5 mechs each. Only time will tell...


I don't think we'll get the Orion. Official stand on him is a poor man's Atlas and you've already got Atlas.

What other good heavies could be considered? I think they'll give us the Grasshopper.

Edited by Adridos, 02 November 2012 - 05:09 AM.


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:18 AM

View PostAdridos, on 02 November 2012 - 05:09 AM, said:


I don't think we'll get the Orion. Official stand on him is a poor man's Atlas and you've already got Atlas.

What other good heavies could be considered? I think they'll give us the Grasshopper.



Personally, I would prefer the Orion over the Atlas. My build:

Standard 300 Engine (64.8 km/h) - with a possible upgrade (there are 2 tons left)
Maxed Armor
Gauss (4 tons of ammo) - main gun
2x SSRM-2 (2 tons of ammo) - scout hunter
2x Medium Pulse Laser
AMS (2 tons of ammo)
Ferro Fibrous
Endo Steel
Double Heat Sinks

Man, this mech would be the best of both worlds. It is mobile, well armed and can take the beating.





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