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[Belorion]

I actually included the Grand Dragon in my count. I was being optimistic. There are many on my list that people would dismiss out of hand for various reasons (Wolf's Dragoons exclusive, ultra rare, redundant, etc.).

I don't necessarily think rarity should be a reason not to include it. We the players are supposed to represent the exception in the MWO universe not the rule (cause we are special and stuff).

If we were really going on rarity we shouldn't be driving anything other than the unseen. They are after all the common mechs of the day (an odd decision of FASA to make all the licensed artwork the common mechs, and to create unique artwork for mechs that no one really uses.)

Edited by Belorion, 15 May 2013 - 05:29 AM.

[Kuso]

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bandersnatch

If they manage to think up a way to include single variant mechs in the next year and a half, this would be pretty cool.

I'm keeping hope alive for the King Crab as the next assault!

[Odanan]

Strum Wealh, on 15 May 2013 - 05:16 AM, said:

So, why exactly wouldn't the Black Knight work in MWO?

Are you kidding? Is this just for polemics or are you really not as smart as I thought you are?

Just look at the hardpoints. They are the same.


Black Knight BL-6-KNT (2750) - speed 64.8, Endo Steel

RA 2E (PPC, Medium Laser)
RT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
H 1E (Small Laser)
CT
LT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
LA 1E (Medium Laser)

-----------------------------------------
Black Knight BL-6b-KNT (2750) - speed 64.8, DHS

RA 2E (ER PPC, Medium Laser)
RT 2E (Large Pulse Laser, Medium Laser)
H 1E (Small Laser)
CT
LT 2E (Large Pulse Laser, Medium Laser)
LA 1E (Medium Laser)

-----------------------------------------
Black Knight BL-7-KNT (3025) - speed 64.8

RA 2E (PPC, Medium Laser)
RT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
H 1E (Small Laser)
CT
LT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
LA 1E (Medium Laser)

-----------------------------------------
Black Knight BL-7-KNT-L (3025) - speed 64.8

RA 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
RT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
H 1E (Small Laser)
CT
LT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
LA 1E (Medium Laser)

-----------------------------------------
Black Knight BL-9-KNT (3052) - speed 64.8, Endo Steel, XL Engine, Hatchet

RA 2E (ER PPC, Medium Pulse Laser)
RT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Pulse Laser)
H 1E (Small Laser)
CT 1E (Large Pulse Laser)
LT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Pulse Laser)
LA 1E (Medium Pulse Laser) + Hatchet

Even if adding one extra energy hardpoint in a different location for every variant, they would all end the same 9 energy hardpoints crap (sounds like an Awesome to me). Don't let your personal feeling by this mech to blind you.

PS: I fart in the face of the Black Knight.

[Butane9000]

Odanan, on 15 May 2013 - 05:52 AM, said:

Are you kidding? Is this just for polemics or are you really not as smart as I thought you are?

Just look at the hardpoints. They are the same.


Black Knight BL-6-KNT (2750) - speed 64.8, Endo Steel

RA 2E (PPC, Medium Laser)
RT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
H 1E (Small Laser)
CT
LT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
LA 1E (Medium Laser)

-----------------------------------------
Black Knight BL-6b-KNT (2750) - speed 64.8, DHS

RA 2E (ER PPC, Medium Laser)
RT 2E (Large Pulse Laser, Medium Laser)
H 1E (Small Laser)
CT
LT 2E (Large Pulse Laser, Medium Laser)
LA 1E (Medium Laser)

-----------------------------------------
Black Knight BL-7-KNT (3025) - speed 64.8

RA 2E (PPC, Medium Laser)
RT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
H 1E (Small Laser)
CT
LT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
LA 1E (Medium Laser)

-----------------------------------------
Black Knight BL-7-KNT-L (3025) - speed 64.8

RA 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
RT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
H 1E (Small Laser)
CT
LT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Laser)
LA 1E (Medium Laser)

-----------------------------------------
Black Knight BL-9-KNT (3052) - speed 64.8, Endo Steel, XL Engine, Hatchet

RA 2E (ER PPC, Medium Pulse Laser)
RT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Pulse Laser)
H 1E (Small Laser)
CT 1E (Large Pulse Laser)
LT 2E (Large Laser, Medium Pulse Laser)
LA 1E (Medium Pulse Laser) + Hatchet

Even if adding one extra energy hardpoint in a different location for every variant, they would all end the same 9 energy hardpoints crap (sounds like an Awesome to me). Don't let your personal feeling by this mech to blind you.

PS: I fart in the face of the Black Knight.

You must really hate that thing.

Bishop Steiner, on 15 May 2013 - 05:07 AM, said:

http://www.masteruni...es=18&BookAuto=

Looks like the DV-6Md right there to me. Star League Era means the chassis would technically be available, though 99.9% would likely be with Comstar or the Clans.


And funny that you answer me answering the answer where those links were already given. Just sayin.

I still don't think the DV-6Md would make it. It doesn't even have a rule set or introduction date like the others.

[Bishop Steiner]

Belorion, on 15 May 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

I actually included the Grand Dragon in my count. I was being optimistic. There are many on my list that people would dismiss out of hand for various reasons (Wolf's Dragoons exclusive, ultra rare, redundant, etc.).

I don't necessarily think rarity should be a reason not to include it. We the players are supposed to represent the exception in the MWO universe not the rule (cause we are special and stuff).

If we were really going on rarity we shouldn't be driving anything other than the unseen. They are after all the common mechs of the day (an odd decision of FASA to make all the licensed artwork the common mechs, and to create unique artwork for mechs that no one really uses.)

While I agree with the premise of "Cream of the Crop" I do wish there was a way to limit some mechs, particularly based on Weight and Availability, like having both factor into a BV type system for drops (at least in 8 man) (aka we can own whatever we want, and use it, but to keep drops from being 8 Atlases (or worse, Annihilators) since Assault Mechs are supposed to be very rare, and it is just annoying to see so many, as one example.

That way things might be a little more balanced, Medium Mechs might see more use, and there might be a change in the Meta due to it.

Basically, have "tiers" we can choose to drop in where groups are assigned via total BV settings, or such, so that teams that want to actually play balanced, fluff correct type units can, and so the MinMax Warriors can still have their "fun" (though how Poptarting and cookie cutter builds are fun, I have never discerned)

[Belorion]

With the Black Knight they could just add various other hard points with different locations and what not.

Actually they COULD do the same thing for single variant and dual variant chassis with the explanation that different production plants have slight variations that still conform to the variant, but have the capacity to be modified in different ways.

[Bishop Steiner]

Butane9000, on 15 May 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

You must really hate that thing.



I still don't think the DV-6Md would make it. It doesn't even have a rule set or introduction date like the others.

The listing in the "Era Report 2750" and Sarna.Net list it as XL engine and LRM15s w/3 total tons of ammo, CASE and 12 SHS. Standard Rules, nothing special. If they can't figure out how to do the Mods, they got no business running a Mechwarrior Game (especially since most supposedly were / are long time player Btech Devs).

XL engine frees up 7.5 tons
Each LRM rack adds 2 tons (total of 4)
Ammo +1 ton (5)
Heat Sinks 12 (+2 for 7 tons)
CASE (.5 tons for 7.5 tons)

and problem solved. Heck, half the variants of Mechs either have no intro dates, or contradictory ones (the joy of FASA copy editing), so the Intro date is hardly important.

I mean for consistency, we have most "SLDF" Tech listed as some kind of latter day stuff, yet the
- XL Engine was in 2589,
- CASE in 2476 (100 years before there WAS a Star League and a whopping 30 years after the creation of the FIRST Mech. )
- EndoSteel, 2487 (40 years after the Mackie)
- Pulse Lasers, 2609
etc.

The First Succession War wasn't til 2787..... yet these are all "rare tech, mostly not possessed by the Great Houses" for 300 years, but it took the Lyran Commonwealth 24 years from then to design their SECOND in-house Mech, the Commando?

I love the game, but the discrepancies are ...... rather dizzying.

[Lonestar1771]

one week left for them to announce the Zeus!!™

[Belorion]

I think many of their discrepancies were from creating a lot of detail in the TRO's and Books with a lot of freedom given to the author without some sort of master plan, then trying to mash it all together.

Edited by Belorion, 15 May 2013 - 07:46 AM.

[Butane9000]

Lonestar1771, on 15 May 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

one week left for them to announce the Zeus!!™

I think you're forgetting about the

[SgtMagor]

Black Knight, Zeus, Banshee(for sure), but I really want my Buzzard

[Butane9000]

SgtMagor, on 15 May 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

Black Knight, Zeus, Banshee(for sure), but I really want my Buzzard

I don't know what that is.

[Dyson Ring]

Butane9000, on 15 May 2013 - 08:39 AM, said:

I don't know what that is.

It's the ALB-3U Albatross.

[Odanan]

Albatross.. now that's a mech immune to head punches.

[Phoenix Branson]

Will we find out what Battlemech is behind the Atlas today?

[Odanan]

Maverick01, on 15 May 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Will we find out what Battlemech is behind the Atlas today?

Next Wednesday.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lonestar1771, on 15 May 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

one week left for them to announce the Zeus!!™

I fear your hatred and loathing of the game will continue after the announcement of the Victor.

Belorion, on 15 May 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

I think many of their discrepancies were from creating a lot of detail in the TRO's and Books with a lot of freedom given to the author without some sort of master plan, then trying to mash it all together.

Very true. And MOST were in the glorious shoebox FASA days, where fact checking and such seemed non-existent. That said, more than the egregious technical details on Mechs, I would dearly love to see CGL make it a point to RetCon what is needed to make a cohesive and intelligible timeline.

[Butane9000]

Thontor, on 15 May 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Don't get your hopes up. Next week is much more likely.

I know it's next Wednesday. Again a dev told me. I just don't want to give his name and get him in trouble.

[Sennin]

The next 'Mech to be announced will likely prompt the following reactions from me...

Banshee = "I told you so!"
Victor = Pleasantly surprised.
Zeus = Meh...another one of "those" 'mechs.
Devastator = Insert "Shut up and take my money!" Meme.
King Crab = Maniacal laughter.
Annihilator = Die laughing...

[Adridos]

Thontor, on 15 May 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

What if it's the Charger?

Same as Annihilator, I'd say...