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[Belorion]

[Odanan]

Maverick01, on 05 June 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Alex Iglesias' talent is simply amazing! For the remaining IS mechs, I hope they add non-humanoid mechs to the game. At some point, all the mechs start to look similar. Therefore, I hope PGI picks the following:

Light: UrbanMech, Hussar
Medium: Sentinel, Crab
Assault: King Crab

Thoughts?

Hussar sucks in terms of hardpoints;
Crab is a very cool looking mech but with very boring variants;
King Crab... could wait. I would prefer the Banshee first.

[Tkhaw]

Belorion, on 05 June 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I thought this was a house marik mech?

[Butane9000]

I called that the Quickdraw would have it's concept art released today and it was. Though that wasn't one of our Nostradamus level predictions and more common sense.

The real questions is what is the next mech they are going to announce? The cycle is broken! Therefore it could be a Light, Medium or Assault!

[Phoenix Branson]

Looking at the 'Mechs per Faction, we could use...

Davion - Light
Steiner/Kurita - Medium

Edited by Maverick01, 05 June 2013 - 08:10 PM.

[Adridos]

Maverick01, on 05 June 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Looking at the 'Mechs per Faction, we could use...

Davion - Light
Steiner/Kurita - Medium

Kuritans hate medium mechs with passion (just look at Panther and Dragon to understand).
And Steiners don't have any notable mediums at this point in time.

As far as Davion lights go, they either use RVN-2X they have shelved from the 4thSW (not 3L), Commandos provided by their Steiner pals or an unseen Valkyrie. So that's also a no-go.

Tkhaw, on 05 June 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

I thought this was a house marik mech?

It is, but as with just about any Marik design, it is spread over the whole Inner Sphere.

[Morang]

Adridos, on 05 June 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

And Steiners don't have any notable mediums at this point in time.

Does Hunchie count as "notable"? I believe that besides Kali Yama it's also produced by Coventry...

[Adridos]

Morang, on 05 June 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Does Hunchie count as "notable"? I believe that besides Kali Yama it's also produced by Coventry...

It's not their design and absolutely everyone uses it. There is zero reason to call it a Steiner mech.

[Butane9000]

Bold is what we don't have yet announced/in game yet. Unseen removed.

Capellan Confederation Mediums
Assassin ASN-23
Cicada CDA-3M
Clint CLNT-2-3U
Hermes II HER-2S
Hermes II HER-5S
Blackjack BJ-3
Vindicator VND-1R
Vindicator VND-1SIC
Enforcer ENF-4R
Hunchback HBK-4J
Hunchback HBK-5M (unlikely variant, same as the 4G).
Trebuchet TBT-7M
Osprey OSP-15 (??? Too bad this can't fill the 55 ton role )

Draconis Combine Mediums
Assassin ASN-21
Hermes II HER-2S
Hermes II HER-4K
Hermes II HER-5S
Sentinel STN-3L
Sentinel STN-3M
Vulcan VT-5M
Whitworth WTH-2
Hatchetman HCT-3F
Wyvern WVE-5N
Crab CRB-27
Crab CRB-27b
Enforcer ENF-4R
Hunchback HBK-4SP
Trebuchet TBT-7K
Trebuchet TBT-7M
Kintaro KTO-18
Kintaro KTO-19
Kintaro KTO-20
Lynx LNX-9Q (unlikely based on timeline)
Federated Suns Mediums
Assassin ASN-21
Assassin ASN-23
Clint CLNT-2-3U
Hermes II HER-5S
Sentinel STN-3L
Vulcan VT-5S
Whitworth WHT-2
Blackjack BJ-1DB (same hard point layout at the BJ-3)
Blackjack DJ-1DC
Blackjack BJ-3
Hatchetman HCT-3F
Hatchetman HCT-5S
Wyvern WVE-5N
Centurion CN9-A
Centurion CN9-AH (not sure why this hasn't been reimplemented into the game)
Centurion CN9-AL
Centurion CN9-D
Enforcer ENF-4R
Enforcer ENF-5D
Hunchback HBK-4H
Hunchback HBK-4N
Trebuchet TBT-7M
Dervish DV-6M
Dervish DV-7D
Kintaro KTO-18
Kintaro KTO-19
Kintaro KTO-19b (unlikely due to timeline)

Free Rasalhague Republic Mediums
Assassin ASN-21
Hermes II HER-4K
Vulcan VT-5M
Vulcan VT-5S
Hatchetman HCT-5S
Vindicator VND-1AA
Centurion CN9-A
Centurion CN9-D
Crab CRB-27
Crab CRB-27b
Hunchback HBK-5M (again unlikely due to being a retrofitted 4G)
Trebuchet TBT-7M
Free Worlds League Mediums
Assassin ASN-21
Cicada CDA-3M
Hermes II HER-2S
Hermes II HER-5S
Icarus ICR-1S (unlikely due to timeline, not enough variants)
Vulcan VT-5M
Centurion CN9-A
Centurion CN9-D
Crab CRB-27b
Hunchback HBK-4H
Hunchback HBK-4J
Hunchback HBK-4N
Hunchback HBK-4SP
Hunchback HBK-5M (unlikely, see above)
Trebuchet TBT-3C
Trebuchet TBT-5J
Trebuchet TBT-7M
Cronus CNS-3M (not enough variants in timeline to support)

Lyran Commonwealth Mediums
Clint CLNT-2-3U
Sentinel STN-3L
Vulcan VT-5S
Hatchetman HCT-3F
Hatchetman HCT-5S
Dervish DV-6M
Lynx LNX-9Q (unlikely due to timeline)

DISCLAIMER - This list is to give us an idea to go on for the next medium. We have strong contenders and this is to help narrow it down.

Given the list the ones I see the most are the Hermes II, Assassin, Vulcan, Crab and Enforcer. The Kintaro and Sentinel also appear frequently as well.

I'm going to revise my prediction and hedge my bets on the Hermess II or the Kintaro being the next medium. Though I would still like to see the Sentinel.

Edited by Butane9000, 06 June 2013 - 07:40 AM.

[BarHaid]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Clint, but it sure would be nice to get a Medium on the heavy end of the scale. Go Dervish!

[Strum Wealh]

However, the Enforcer only has two variants (ENF-4R and ENF-5D), so it seems unlikely to be a candidate given what we know of the 'Mech selection process (namely, needing to have at least three canonical mass-production variants). And the Crab suffers from variant homogeneity (which, admittedly, can be at least somewhat addressed with hardpoint inflation) in addition to being yet another 50-tonner - a weight bracket already extensively covered by the Centurion, Hunchback, and Trebuchet.

[Butane9000]

Strum Wealh, on 06 June 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

However, the Enforcer only has two variants (ENF-4R and ENF-5D), so it seems unlikely to be a candidate given what we know of the 'Mech selection process (namely, needing to have at least three canonical mass-production variants). And the Crab suffers from variant homogeneity (which, admittedly, can be at least somewhat addressed with hardpoint inflation) in addition to being yet another 50-tonner - a weight bracket already extensively covered by the Centurion, Hunchback, and Trebuchet.

Good points. But those variants are not necessarily all the time wise variants. Just those used by the factions. There could be more variants available.

[Tkhaw]

Vindicator FTW

[Khanahar]

Adridos, on 06 June 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

It's not their design and absolutely everyone uses it. There is zero reason to call it a Steiner mech.

I thought they had 2 HBK factories to the Mariks and Kuritans 1 apiece? Not a Raven-for-Liao strong association, but it's more Lyran than anything else.

[Bishop Steiner]

Khanahar, on 06 June 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

I thought they had 2 HBK factories to the Mariks and Kuritans 1 apiece? Not a Raven-for-Liao strong association, but it's more Lyran than anything else.

actually, in lore, Marik and Kurita were the biggest users of Hunchbacks, if memory serves, in fact, it might be the closest the DCMS came to an "Official" Medium.

Regardless, what I don't get about all this is why people seem to feel the need that each Mech be assigned a specific faction, or each faction to be equally represented (when in the game they are not equal). Heck, where are the FRR faction mechs?

Some Mechs, like the Commando, Valkyrie, Raven, Jenner, Panther, Hermes II, Vindicator, Enforcer, Dragon, Zeus are strongly faction oriented.

The Rest? May be more strongly represented by one House or another, but tend to be too widely distributed and "common" (or in some cases like the Clint, too uncommon) to be considered faction oriented.

Unless and until PGI puts out an official list (which they might if CW holds any resemblance to the original plan) it's all pretty much blue sky anyhow.

[Odanan]

Stalker, Orion, Awesome, Hunchback, Cicada, Trebuchet, Quickdraw, Spider, Flea...
The thing about us Freeworlders is that we sell mechs to everybody, even to our enemies.
At least we know what we are fighting against (and make money in the process).

[Strum Wealh]

Butane9000, on 06 June 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

Good points. But those variants are not necessarily all the time wise variants. Just those used by the factions. There could be more variants available.

For the Enforcer (as distinct from the later Enforcer III), those two are the only timeline-appropriate non-unique variants.
(There are then the "hero" variation of each variant, piloted by Daniel Waylen from McKinnon's Company.)

Though, the Crab gets by variant-numbers-wise thanks to the CRB-27 (basic/default variant, circa 2719), CRB-27sl (non-Royal Star League era variant, circa 2750), and CRB-20 (downgraded tech variant, circa 2810).
(The lower-case "b" in the CRB-27b designation indicated that the variant was exclusive to the SLDF Royal Divisions - the effective-totality of which left with Kerensky.)

Personally, I would expect either of the Dervish or Kintaro (to fill the 55-ton slot), or any of the Sentinel (well-rounded, weapon-wise), the Assassin (common in-universe, fast, and jump-capable), or the Vindicator (heavily-armed for a Medium 'Mech, iconic to the Capellans, and jump-capable) to be implemented before either of the Enforcer or the Crab.

Thoughts?

[Odanan]

Crab won`t make it to the game. Look at the hardpoints of the variants. I wouldn't even call them variants.

[Nastyogre]

Quickdraw. Terrible. Awful. One of the worst choices possible. Thinly armored, overengined, jumping ****.
Almost any other heavy of the era would have been a better choice. Guillotine, Grasshopper, Lancelot. The "3 canon variants" is ridiculous. MAKEUP one. Pull one out of an old FASA product and use it. Use a Royal variant. Have the guts to put out an re-seen. Many of those have significant numbers of variants.

[Odanan]

Stiletto, on 06 June 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Quickdraw. Terrible. Awful. One of the worst choices possible. Thinly armored, overengined, jumping ****.
Almost any other heavy of the era would have been a better choice. Guillotine, Grasshopper, Lancelot. The "3 canon variants" is ridiculous. MAKEUP one. Pull one out of an old FASA product and use it. Use a Royal variant. Have the guts to put out an re-seen. Many of those have significant numbers of variants.

Thinly armored: -do you know the mechlab?
Overengined: -always an advantage in this game.
Jumping: -is good to have that option.

I`m actually happy they picked up the Quickdraw instead of the Guillotine (which would look much better) or the Grasshopper.
About the Reseen, it looks like they won`t make it (at least not until after the Clans).

Edited by Odanan, 06 June 2013 - 05:19 PM.