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[Bishop Steiner]

Jenkss, on 10 March 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

Two very cool pictures Bishop. Definite improvements over the stock pictures on sarna.

thanks Jenkss! Of course...hard to do much to improve the Fireballs stats without totally redesigning the lil Death Egg..... but I found the Jackal easy to make into a regular wrecking ball.

[ssm]

Russ tweeted that we have 45 tonner on the horizon, looks like we're getting a Vindicator after all

Edited by ssm, 12 March 2014 - 05:36 AM.

[Finestaut]

Which, in turn, implies that the sabre mediums don't "count," and we're in the middle of a 4 'mech tour of all 4 weight classes until the clan release in June, with a Heavy coming in may, and the clans and IS matching class for class for the following 8 months.

Funny, I would've pegged a third consecutive medium as the LEAST likely scenario here.

[Odanan]

Vindicators! Wow!

[ssm]

Odanan, on 12 March 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

Vindicators! Wow!

Unless they pull a Quickdraw on us

Are there any other eligilble 45 tonners?

[Strum Wealh]

ssm, on 12 March 2014 - 05:24 AM, said:

Russ tweeted that we have 45 tonner on the horizon, looks like we're getting a Vindicator after all

Link for verification here.
The other would-be options are the Hatchetman (out-of-the-running due to a need for melee) and the Wyvern (possibly being saved for a Clanbuster Pack).

If it is indeed the Vindicator...
IMO, the VND-1R (as the basic/common model) and the VND-3R (as the 3050-era LosTech model) are a given, with the third variant being either the VND-1X (the only variant to mount ballistic weapons - twin MGs in the Left Arm, fed by a half-ton of MG ammo) or the VND-1AA (which would have a much higher Engine cap than the others).
IMO, the VND-1SIC doesn't have much to offer over the other two (moreso with St. Ives not being a selectable faction), but the custom 'Mech upon which it is based, the St. Ives Blue, could be used as a Hero 'Mech (with a bit of hardpoint inflation and some quirks to arm/torso movement ranges & rates, and acceleration/deceleration rates).

[Tkhaw]

Odanan, on 12 March 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

Vindicators! Wow!

Damn... time for me to stock on MC for this...

[Steinar Bergstol]

ssm, on 12 March 2014 - 05:24 AM, said:

Russ tweeted that we have 45 tonner on the horizon, looks like we're getting a Vindicator after all

PHOENIX HAWK!

What?

Aaaw, c'mon. Let me have my delusions that I'll get to pilot my beloved PHawk at last. I know there's no chance in hell (AKA New Avalon ) that it'll happen as long as HG is a factor, but I won't stop hoping against hope.

Hmm. Vindicator, eh? It's not a bad mech, though you don't wanna use the ejection seat if you have an early model.

Quoted from Sarna:
"Unfortunately early models of the Vindicator suffered from a design flaw wherein the head-mounted laser created a bulge in the cockpit. More than making the space cramped for tall MechWarriors, it also interfered with the ejection propulsion system, resulting in the deaths of a number of MechWarriors when their escape pods exploded during ejection. Engineers managed to redesign the cockpit layout prior to the War of 3039, eliminating the deadly intrusion and decreasing the chance of said unfortunate malfunction.^["

Still better than the Spider's "Ejection seat? What ejection seat?" though.

[CDLord HHGD]

Strum Wealh, on 12 March 2014 - 06:17 AM, said:

Link for verification here.
The other would-be options are the Hatchetman (out-of-the-running due to a need for melee) and the Wyvern (possibly being saved for a Clanbuster Pack).

I agree and don't at the same time.... While the Hatchetman is designed for melee, it doesn't have to have the hatchet or it could just be cosmetic. With the dynamic graphics I expect the ability to equip and un-equip a melee weapon (when melee is introduced) would also equate to a change in the look of the arm/mech too.

I think I'd rather have the mech and no melee to start than no mech at all waiting for melee... There are lots of other melee mechs that are just waiting for a precedent like this to get into the game. I have ideas on how PGi could do it (intro variants that don't have the hatchet and when melee is introduced, bring in that variant). PGI does have creative license to do this. And I think I want the mech either way, melee or no melee.

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

Strum Wealh, on 12 March 2014 - 06:17 AM, said:

... Wyvern ...

A redesigned Wyvern by FD could be interesting.
I guess it will be the Vindicator. It deserves a place in the game and it is one of the typical known IS buckets from Liao, but IMO the Wyvern would be even better! Go Wyvern go!

Whatever it will be...let's hope PGI is gracious and will show us a CONCEPT ART this time!

[Strum Wealh]

cdlord, on 12 March 2014 - 07:08 AM, said:

I agree and don't at the same time.... While the Hatchetman is designed for melee, it doesn't have to have the hatchet or it could just be cosmetic. With the dynamic graphics I expect the ability to equip and un-equip a melee weapon (when melee is introduced) would also equate to a change in the look of the arm/mech too.

I think I'd rather have the mech and no melee to start than no mech at all waiting for melee... There are lots of other melee mechs that are just waiting for a precedent like this to get into the game. I have ideas on how PGi could do it (intro variants that don't have the hatchet and when melee is introduced, bring in that variant). PGI does have creative license to do this. And I think I want the mech either way, melee or no melee.

That is part of the difference between 'Mechs that merely has a couple of variants that carry melee weapons (such as, say, the Black Knight or the Centurion), and 'Mech chassis that were built around their melee weapon(s) (such as, say, the Hatchetman and the Axman).

Nearly every variant of the Hatchetman carries a 3-ton hatchet (except the Kurita-built HTC-5K (which carries a 2.5-ton sword instead) and the HTC-3NH (which exchanges the Hatchet for a larger Engine, another Jump Jet, and another ton of AC/10 ammo & where the "NH" ostensibly means "no hatchet" - see here and here) - carrying the hatchet is the entire point of the 'Mech, and is the reason it is named "Hatchetman".
Likewise, every production variant of the Axman (that is, every variant except the experimental, Jihad-era AXM-6X) is equipped with a 5-ton axe/hatchet because, again, carrying the axe/hatchet is the entire point of the 'Mech.
Generally take that away from them, and you remove not just their primary weapon but most/all of their very identity & reason for being.

If the Hatchetman were ever to be implemented, I would not mind seeing the hatchet (cosmetic or not) placed as fixed equipment for the 'Mech.

Edited by Strum Wealh, 12 March 2014 - 09:32 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Strum Wealh, on 12 March 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

That is part of the difference between 'Mechs that merely has a couple of variants that carry melee weapons (such as, say, the Black Knight or the Centurion), and 'Mech chassis that were built around their melee weapon(s) (such as, say, the Hatchetman and the Axman).

Nearly every variant of the Hatchetman carries a 3-ton hatchet (except the Kurita-built HTC-5K (which carries a 2.5-ton sword instead) and the HTC-3NH (which exchanges the Hatchet for a larger Engine, another Jump Jet, and another ton of AC/10 ammo & where the "NH" ostensibly means "no hatchet" - see here and here) - carrying the hatchet is the entire point of the 'Mech, and is the reason it is named "Hatchetman".
Likewise, every production variant of the Axman (that is, every variant except the experimental, Jihad-era AXM-6X) is equipped with a 5-ton axe/hatchet because, again, carrying the axe/hatchet is the entire point of the 'Mech.
Generally take that away from them, and you remove not just their primary weapon but most/all of their very identity & reason for being.

If the Hatchetman were ever to be implemented, I would not mind seeing the hatchet (cosmetic or not) placed as fixed equipment for the 'Mech.

I was just offering alternative suggestions. Without melee, I'd still like to see the hatchetman in all it's glory, hatchet and all.

[Strum Wealh]

Odanan, on 12 March 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

Vindicators! Wow!

So Capellan
such vindication
much variation
watering the PPC

And thus "VND-Doge" meme was born... :-p

Edited by Strum Wealh, 12 March 2014 - 10:37 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

ssm, on 12 March 2014 - 05:24 AM, said:

Russ tweeted that we have 45 tonner on the horizon, looks like we're getting a Vindicator after all

of course, being PGI, it could be a Wyvern..... we already have the Kintaro and Highlander, so not out of the realm of possibility.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 12 March 2014 - 12:30 PM.

[Tkhaw]

Something tells me that the Vindicator would come with:

Victor's head
A bit of dragon's torso
Orion's arms
Quickdraw's legs

While the Wyvern would be a novel chassis...

[Odanan]

Tkhaw, on 12 March 2014 - 11:11 PM, said:

Something tells me that the Vindicator would come with:

Victor's head
A bit of dragon's torso
Orion's arms
Quickdraw's legs

While the Wyvern would be a novel chassis...

Sure, the bizarre Wyvern would be more, er, unique, but they are suggesting the Vindicator.

Anyway, Alex sketched both mechs:

[MeiSooHaityu]

I'm just tired of all the humanoid mechs as of late. We need some bird mechs (fusalage with reverse joint legs) LOL.

Something like the Catapult or Raven. Saddly, I don't think there was a lot of earlier mechs like this. I suppose I will need to wait for the Bushwacker

[Ngamok]

MeiSooHaityu, on 13 March 2014 - 08:07 AM, said:

I'm just tired of all the humanoid mechs as of late. We need some bird mechs (fusalage with reverse joint legs) LOL.

Something like the Catapult or Raven. Saddly, I don't think there was a lot of earlier mechs like this. I suppose I will need to wait for the Bushwacker

So a Hoplite !!

[MeiSooHaityu]

Ngamok, on 13 March 2014 - 08:31 AM, said:

So a Hoplite !!

Maybe

[FireSlade]

MeiSooHaityu, on 13 March 2014 - 08:07 AM, said:

I'm just tired of all the humanoid mechs as of late. We need some bird mechs (fusalage with reverse joint legs) LOL.

Something like the Catapult or Raven. Saddly, I don't think there was a lot of earlier mechs like this. I suppose I will need to wait for the Bushwacker

We really need more chicken walkers in MWO. Unfortuantly for the Bushwacker unless PGI relaxes the timeline or creates a few variants looks like we do not get it (and I liked this mech). http://www.masteruni...Name=Bushwacker