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[Odanan]

Hoax415, on 23 October 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

Dear ultimate mech thread,

So another CW update has come out and they talked more about LP finally and I'm still seeing a lot of this:

I've seen the similar sentiment on reddit and elsewhere.

So it got me thinking. I think adding special mechs or variants or heros as CW rewards only is a ludicrous idea. From a business standpoint and a balance standpoint. But what about this dear mech thread feast your eyes on 10 missing variants of existing chassis:

Davion = VTR-9D & BJ-1DB
Steiner = TBT-5S & COM-5S
Kurita = CPLT-K3 & GRF-1DS
Liao = BNC-3Q & VND-1SIC
Marik = TDR-7M & WVR-6M

What do you guys think? I know that all ten of those variants have a stock loadout that you can already create in MWO. I know that most/all would get identical hardpoint layouts to existing variants. But think of it, they could give them different quirks based on their stock weapons, they would still be new mechs, sort of.

I know I care about lore more than most but I feel like adding variants like these as rewards is a good compromise between the business of selling mechs for $$$, maintaining balance between factions but giving cooler/better rewards for LP. They are also not much work for PGI. Everyone wins?

Those are the ten best 3050 or before, timeline appropriate missing variants that require no new tech (i.e. TSM, MASC, C3) I could come up with. Two for each faction. Did I miss anything good or make any glaring errors?

I know that there is a AS7-K-DC floating around out there and that'd be awesome in MWO but lets face it, giving one faction a special ECM Atlas would probably not be fair.

Do you guys think the ability to unlock variants like that through Loyalty rewards is a good idea? Maybe even being able to buy them outright if what we need are more LP sinks for permanent faction players.

About the missing variants subject:

Odanan, on 06 April 2014 - 01:45 AM, said:

- Catapult CPLT-K3 (upgraded K2, not much room for hardpoint maneuver)
- Commando COM-1C (unique variant with ballistics)
- Dragon DRG-1G (all energy + missile variant, still unique despite the Flame)
- Dragon DRG-5K or (even better) Dragon DRG-5K-DC (Command Console! or even ECM capability for the ugly duckling chassis) - actually Grand Dragons, but...
- Hunchback HBK-4N (interesting ballistics + missiles variant)
- Hunchback HBK-5M (upgraded 4G, not much room for hardpoint maneuver)
- Jenner JR7-A (not going to happen, as 6 energy harpoints in one location would be weird)
- Cataphract CTF-3L (MASC!)
- Cicada CDA-3F (is it already 3052? because I want my jumping Cicada!)
- JagerMech JM6-B (created by MW2:M but sort of canonized ever since. JM with energy + missiles and no ballistics!)
- Raven RVN-1X (bulky and older EW equipment that could be replaced by ECM and Beagle, with some free tons for... armor?)
- Raven RVN-3X (1X with Triple Strength Myomer)
- Spider SDR-7M (upgraded 5V, not much room for hardpoint maneuver)
- Trebuchet TBT-5S (TBT with 4 missile hardpoints, but less tubes)
- Stalker STK-3Fb (Stalker with ECM? unlikely, but tasty)
- Highlander HGN-732b (like the STK above, it is a SLDF Royal exclusive)
- Locust LCT-1S, Locust LCT-1M, Locust LCT-1Vb, Locust LCT-1E, Locust LCT-3V, Locust LCT-1L, Locust LCT-3D (swarm!)
- Blackjack BJC-1DB, Blackjack BJ-3X (hardpoint conundrum)
- Blackjack BJ-2 (only in 3052...)
- Kintaro KTO-19b (SLDF Royal)
- Shadow Hawk = tons of variants
- Wolverine = tons of variants
- Griffin = tons of variants
- Battlemaster = tons of variants
- Thunderbolt = tons of variants
- Victor VTR-9A, Victor VTR-9A1 (OMG, please!)
- Firestarter F59-S1 (stock ECM)
- Banshee BNC-3MC (BNC-3E with 1 more ballistics and 1 less energy?)
- Banshee BNC-3Q (imagine a BNC-3E without weapons in the right torso and 3 more ballistics in the left torso)
- Banshee BNC-5S (armed to the teeth, but only 3053)

It's an interesting idea. I hope PGI release these variants, anyway, anyhow.

Edited by Odanan, 23 October 2014 - 01:23 PM.

[Ens]

so, i bought my favorite ride..... i´ll have it around january/february i guess / hope

what do you guys want now?
i´ll support all of your polls

even the urbanmech!

[Metus regem]

Ens, on 23 October 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

so, i bought my favorite ride..... i´ll have it around january/february i guess / hope

what do you guys want now?
i´ll support all of your polls

even the urbanmech!

What I want, would have serious balance issues...

Kodiak, Marauder IIC, War Hammer IIC, Stone Rhino....

I can see of a world where I can have Clan Battle mechs, that would put the Timber Wolf to shame in the cries of "XXXXXX is so OP!! N3RF NAO!!!!" that would come in their wake..

[Odanan]

Ens, on 23 October 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

so, i bought my favorite ride..... i´ll have it around january/february i guess / hope

what do you guys want now?
i´ll support all of your polls

even the urbanmech!

These are the packs I want/predict:

Clan Wave III (featuring Clan Smoke Jaguar and Clan Ghost Bear favorites. Timeline: 3050):

- Light: Arctic Cheetah/Hankyu - signature Smoke Jaguar mech
- Medium: Viper/Dragonfly - very common, early invader, Ghost Bear favorite medium mech
- Heavy: Ebon Jaguar/Cauldron-Born - iconic, signature Smoke Jaguar mech
- Assault: Kingfisher - very old design, still used by CGB and CSJ - and a rare 90 tons Clanner
Reinforcement/Reward: Huntsman/Nobori-nin

Comstar Defender's Pack:

- Light: Mongoose, Thorn (or Jackrabbit) - the Jackrabbit needs a third variant
- Medium: Sentinel, Wyvern (or Crab)
- Heavy: Black Knight, Excalibur (or Champion) - the Excalibur needs a third variant
- Assault: Cyclops, Pillager (or Emperor) - both the Pillager and the Emperor need a third variant
Reinforcements/Reward: Thug, Crockett

Clan Wave ? (early omnimech designs, but need the implementation of MASC):

- Light: Fire Moth/Dasher - the problem is: the Fire Moth might be too fast for the game engine
- Medium: Shadow Cat​
- Heavy: Woodsman - needs a third omni configuration
- Assault: Executioner/​Gladiator

Underdog Guerrilla* Pack: (IS is throwing everything they have against the Clans)

- Light: UrbanMech, Javelin
- Medium: Assassin, Dervish
- Heavy: Lancelot, Merlin (or BattleAxe, or Hammerhands) - both the BattleAxe and Hammerhands need a third variant, but adding any would be a joy for Warhammer fans
- Assault: Charger, Mackie (!) - now just image the first mech in a MW game...
Reinforcements/Reward: Clint, Hermes II, Vulcan

*Some of these chassis might be considered lackluster, so here is a suggestion for monetizing this:
$30: 1st tier, 2 light mechs
$60: 2nd tier, 2 light mechs + 2 medium mechs
$90: 3rd tier, 2 light mechs + 2 medium mechs + 2 heavy mechs
$120: top tier, 2 light + 2 medium + 2 heavy + 2 assault
Reinforcements: $35 or $40: 3 extra medium mechs

Clan Wave IV (featuring Clan Wolf and Clan Jade Falcon favorites. Timeline: 3052):

- Light: Fire Falcon
- Medium: Phantom
- Heavy: Linebacker
- Assault: Turkina
Reinforcement/Reward: Night Gyr

Wolf Dragoons Pack:

- Light: Firefly (or Falcon)
- Medium: Hoplite
- Heavy: Flashman (or Gallowglas, depending on the timeline)
- Assault: Annihilator
Reinforcements/Reward: Imp, Shogun

Clan Second Line Garrison Pack (early Clan non-omni mechs - most need extra variants):

- Light: Piranha, Horned Owl/Peregrin (or Incubus/Vixen)
- Medium: Vapor Eagle/Goshawk, Conjurer/Hellhound
- Heavy: Grizzly, Glass Spider/Galahad (or Black Python/Viper)
- Assault: Supernova, Kodiak
Reinforcements/Reward: Bane/Kraken, Stone Rhino/Behemoth

Payback Pack (featuring high-tech mechs to fight the Clans, some without 3 variants - which is not a problem anymore. Timeline: ~3054):

- Light: Wolfhound
- Medium: Bushwacker
- Heavy: Penetrator
- Assault: Mauler - Mauler variants are complicated
Reinforcement/Reward: Hatamoto

Clan Wave V (later omnimechs. Timeline: 3060):

- Light: Hellion (needs MASC) or Cougar
- Medium: Black Lanner (needs MASC) or Mongrel/Grendel
- Heavy: Nova Cat
- Assault: Blood Asp
Reinforcement/Reward: Pouncer

Melee Pack (after adding melee weapons. Timeline: ~3060):

- Light: Scarabus?
- Medium: Hatchetman
- Heavy: Axman
- Assault: Berserker
Reinforcement/Reward: No-Dachi.

IS Omni Pack (Timeline: ~3064):

- Light: Owens (or Raptor) - problem: Owens has Single Heat Sinks
- Medium: Strider (or Men-Shen) - problem: Strider has Single Heat Sinks
- Heavy: Avatar
- Assault: Sunder
Reinforcements/Reward: Templar, Hauptmann

Vengeance Revenge Pack (with mechs from the Mechwarrior 4 series. Timeline: ~3064):

- Light: Osiris
- Medium: Uziel
- Heavy: Argus (or Thanatos)
- Assault: Fafnir
Reinforcements/Reward: Hellspawn, Chimera

Clan Refits (least exciting pack, and would need extra new variants):

- Light: Commando IIC
- Medium: Hunchback IIC
- Heavy: Orion IIC
- Assault: Highlander IIC

And, last but not least, the Project Phoenix II: (OK, only in our dreams)

- Light: Wasp, Stinger (or Valkyrie)
- Medium: Phoenix Hawk, Ostroc (or Ostsol)
- Heavy: Marauder, Warhammer
- Assault: Longbow, Marauder II
Reinforcements/Reward: Archer, Crusader (or Rifleman)

Other packs: Lostech Pack (with very old designs, like the Hammerhands and Rampage), Solaris Pack (with Solaris mechs from the Technical Readout 3055 Upgrade), IS MASC Pack (with Flea, finally)...

Edited by Odanan, 12 November 2014 - 12:36 PM.

[Ovion]

mmm, Bushwhacker, Cauldron Born (Ebon Jaguar), Urbanmech and Pirhana are all biggies on my list.

The Whacker + Cauldron Born being two of my all time favourite mechs.

[CDLord HHGD]

cdlord, on 23 October 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

Pray for me fellas, I just bought the Zeus pack without asking the wife first.....

Yea, though I walk through the valley of death..........

Update!

Wife: "What's this $80 for?"
Me: "Me."
Wife: "Ok"

Me Silently: "Yesssssssss!"

VICTORY! Thanks everyone, something sure stepped in and saved me there.

[Metus regem]

cdlord, on 24 October 2014 - 06:56 AM, said:

Update!

Wife: "What's this $80 for?"
Me: "Me."
Wife: "Ok"

Me Silently: "Yesssssssss!"

VICTORY! Thanks everyone, something sure stepped in and saved me there.

You just got lucky , really lucky!

Though for me, it was:

Wife:"Metus, what is this $170 for?"

Me: "Me, but don't worry, it's coming out of my money."

Wife: "okay, but next time, tell me when you are going to put something on the Visa...."

Me: "Yes dear."

So win, I guess?

Looks like we both have some good women in our lives cdlord.

[Bishop Steiner]

cdlord, on 24 October 2014 - 06:56 AM, said:

Update!

Wife: "What's this $80 for?"
Me: "Me."
Wife: "Ok"

Me Silently: "Yesssssssss!"

VICTORY! Thanks everyone, something sure stepped in and saved me there.

Well, I did have to send your wife flowers, chocolates and jewelry under your name yesterday to ensure the "mood" and your survival..............

[Trevor Belmont]

Makes me glad my wife and I have separate accounts. Sometimes it's better just not to know.

[Odanan]

Trevor Belmont, on 24 October 2014 - 08:41 AM, said:

Makes me glad my wife and I have separate accounts. Sometimes it's better just not to know.

What happens in MWO stays in MWO.

[Onmyoudo]

Odanan, on 24 October 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

What happens in MWO stays in MWO.

And on the forums. And the reddits. And Star Citizen's forums. And occasionally Forbes.

But other than that, MWO.

[MonkeyDCecil]

Odanan, on 23 October 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

These are the packs I want:

Clan Wave III (featuring Clan Smoke Jaguar and Clan Ghost Bear favorites):

- Light: Arctic Cheetah - signature Smoke Jaguar mech
- Medium: Viper (Firefly) - very common, early invader, Ghost Bear favorite medium mech
- Heavy: Ebon Jaguar (Cauldron-Born) - iconic, signature Smoke Jaguar mech
- Assault: Kingfisher - very old design, still used by CGB and CSJ - and a rare 90 tons Clanner
Reinforcement: Huntsman (Nobori-nin).

Comstar Pack:

- Light: Mongoose, Jackrabbit
- Medium: Crab, Sentinel (or Wyvern)
- Heavy: Black Knight, Exterminator
- Assault: Cyclops, Pillager
Reinforcements: Thug, Crockett

Underdog Guerrilla Pack:

- Light: UrbanMech
- Medium: Vulcan
- Heavy: Lancelot
- Assault: Charger
Reinforcements: Clint, Assassin (or Hermes II)

Payback Pack (featuring high-tech mechs to fight the Clans, some without 3 variants - which is not a problem anymore):

- Light: Wolfhound
- Medium: Bushwaker
- Heavy: Penetrator
- Assault: Mauler
Reinforcement: Hatamoto

Wolf Dragoons Pack:

- Light: Firefly (or Falcon)
- Medium: Hoplite
- Heavy: Flashman (or Gallowglas)
- Assault: Annihilator
Reinforcements: Imp, Shogun

Clan Wave IV "Refusal War" (Clan Wolf vs Clan Jade Falcon), with time forwarded a few years:

- Light: Phantom, Fire Falcon
- Medium: Pouncer (Cougar), Black Lanner
- Heavy: Linebacker, Night Gyr
- Assault: Naga, Turkina - the only problem is: Naga needs Arrow IV
Reinforcement: Mongrel (Grendel).

Clan Wave ? (after adding MASC):

- Light: Fire Moth - has MASC
- Medium: Shadow Cat​ - has MASC
- Heavy: Lupus (or, if the timeline already reached 3059, Nova Cat)
- Assault: Executioner​ - has MASC

Melee Pack (after adding melee weapons):

- Light: Scarabus?
- Medium: Hatchetman
- Heavy: Axman
- Assault: Berserker
Reinforcement: No-Dachi.

Clan Second Line Pack:

- Light: Piranha, Horned Owl (or Incubus)
- Medium: Vapor Eagle, Conjurer
- Heavy: Grizzly, Glass Spider (or Black Python)
- Assault: Supernova, Kodiak
Reinforcements: Bane, Stone Rhino

IS Omni Pack:

- Light: Owens
- Medium: Strider (or Men-Shen)
- Heavy: Avatar
- Assault: Sunder
Reinforcement: Templar, Hauptmann

Vengeance Pack (with mechs from the Mechwarrior 4 series):

- Light: Osiris
- Medium: Uziel
- Heavy: Argus (or Thanatos)
- Assault: Fafnir
Reinforcement: Hellspawn, Chimera

Clan Refits (least exciting pack, and would need extra new variants):

- Light: Commando IIC
- Medium: Hunchback IIC
- Heavy: Orion IIC
- Assault: Highlander IIC

And, last but not least, the Project Phoenix II: (OK, only in our dreams)

- Light: Wasp, Stinger (or Valkyrie)
- Medium: Phoenix Hawk, Ostroc (or Ostsol)
- Heavy: Marauder, Warhammer
- Assault: Longbow, Marauder II
Reinforcements: Archer, Crusader (or Rifleman)

Make It so PGI

[CDLord HHGD]

But but but....

I see no Champion....

[Metus regem]

cdlord, on 24 October 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

But but but....

I see no Champion....

Man that thing just begs to be a LAM...

I think I have the XTRO with a LAM version of it some place...

Found it page 6 of boondoggles...

[Nathan Foxbane]

Metus regem, on 24 October 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

Man that thing just begs to be a LAM...

I think I have the XTRO with a LAM version of it some place...

Found it page 6 of boondoggles...

Heheheh. The only thing more amusing than trying to turn the already mediocre Champion into a LAM was trying to do the same to the Scorpion.

PGI please stop offering 'Mech packs. I can't hide the sound of my wallet screaming for mercy much longer.

[Metus regem]

Nathan Foxbane, on 24 October 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Heheheh. The only thing more amusing than trying to turn the already mediocre Champion into a LAM was trying to do the same to the Scorpion.

PGI please stop offering 'Mech packs. I can't hide the sound of my wallet screaming for mercy much longer.

That being said, in a campain where there are Aero Tech units, LAM's get really nasty, really fast. I've got an IS company that contains a lance of them.. 1 Stinger, 1 Wasp, 1 Phoenix hawk and 1 Shadow Hawk

They work well, when they can go and be Aero spaces fighters in a battle tech game, they become a real beast to hit.

[CDLord HHGD]

Nathan Foxbane, on 24 October 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

PGI please stop offering 'Mech packs. I can't hide the sound of my wallet screaming for mercy much longer.

Hehehe, I already have a Hero I can't buy (Sparky) because the money I was gonna spend on MC went into the pack...

WAIT! What if we could pre-order and buy the mech packs in-game for MC?? Mind blown! Then I could buy $100 worth MC, buy the $80 pack, and have MC leftover for Sparky......

[Ens]

ask your wife first...


Edit: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by Ens, 24 October 2014 - 02:38 PM.

[Tkhaw]

Odanan, on 23 October 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

These are the packs I want:

Clan Wave III (featuring Clan Smoke Jaguar and Clan Ghost Bear favorites):

- Light: Arctic Cheetah - signature Smoke Jaguar mech
- Medium: Viper (Firefly) - very common, early invader, Ghost Bear favorite medium mech
- Heavy: Ebon Jaguar (Cauldron-Born) - iconic, signature Smoke Jaguar mech
- Assault: Kingfisher - very old design, still used by CGB and CSJ - and a rare 90 tons Clanner
Reinforcement: Huntsman (Nobori-nin).

Comstar Pack:

- Light: Mongoose, Jackrabbit
- Medium: Crab, Sentinel (or Wyvern)
- Heavy: Black Knight, Exterminator
- Assault: Cyclops, Pillager
Reinforcements: Thug, Crockett

Underdog Guerrilla Pack:

- Light: UrbanMech
- Medium: Vulcan
- Heavy: Lancelot
- Assault: Charger
Reinforcements: Clint, Assassin (or Hermes II)

Payback Pack (featuring high-tech mechs to fight the Clans, some without 3 variants - which is not a problem anymore):

- Light: Wolfhound
- Medium: Bushwaker
- Heavy: Penetrator
- Assault: Mauler
Reinforcement: Hatamoto

Wolf Dragoons Pack:

- Light: Firefly (or Falcon)
- Medium: Hoplite
- Heavy: Flashman (or Gallowglas)
- Assault: Annihilator
Reinforcements: Imp, Shogun

Clan Wave IV "Refusal War" (Clan Wolf vs Clan Jade Falcon), with time forwarded a few years:

- Light: Phantom, Fire Falcon
- Medium: Pouncer (Cougar), Black Lanner
- Heavy: Linebacker, Night Gyr
- Assault: Naga, Turkina - the only problem is: Naga needs Arrow IV
Reinforcement: Mongrel (Grendel).

Clan Wave ? (after adding MASC):

- Light: Fire Moth - has MASC
- Medium: Shadow Cat​ - has MASC
- Heavy: Lupus (or, if the timeline already reached 3059, Nova Cat)
- Assault: Executioner​ - has MASC

Melee Pack (after adding melee weapons):

- Light: Scarabus?
- Medium: Hatchetman
- Heavy: Axman
- Assault: Berserker
Reinforcement: No-Dachi.

Clan Second Line Pack:

- Light: Piranha, Horned Owl (or Incubus)
- Medium: Vapor Eagle, Conjurer
- Heavy: Grizzly, Glass Spider (or Black Python)
- Assault: Supernova, Kodiak
Reinforcements: Bane, Stone Rhino

IS Omni Pack:

- Light: Owens
- Medium: Strider (or Men-Shen)
- Heavy: Avatar
- Assault: Sunder
Reinforcement: Templar, Hauptmann

Vengeance Pack (with mechs from the Mechwarrior 4 series):

- Light: Osiris
- Medium: Uziel
- Heavy: Argus (or Thanatos)
- Assault: Fafnir
Reinforcement: Hellspawn, Chimera

Clan Refits (least exciting pack, and would need extra new variants):

- Light: Commando IIC
- Medium: Hunchback IIC
- Heavy: Orion IIC
- Assault: Highlander IIC

And, last but not least, the Project Phoenix II: (OK, only in our dreams)

- Light: Wasp, Stinger (or Valkyrie)
- Medium: Phoenix Hawk, Ostroc (or Ostsol)
- Heavy: Marauder, Warhammer
- Assault: Longbow, Marauder II
Reinforcements: Archer, Crusader (or Rifleman)

Very nice list, stone rhino though should be in project phoenix II

I actually want my Xin Sheng Mechs...

Light: Anubis
Medium: Men Shen
Heavy: Lao Hu
Assault: Yu Huang

Have at thee!

Edited by Tkhaw, 24 October 2014 - 03:21 PM.

[Nathan Foxbane]

Tkhaw, on 24 October 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Very nice list, stone rhino though should be in project phoenix II

I actually want my Xin Sheng Mechs...

Light: Anubis
Medium: Men Shen
Heavy: Lao Hu
Assault: Yu Huang

Have at thee!

Anubis has kind of an odd history. I like the 'Mech, but it should have been a companion to the Osiris, but Achernar Battlemechs decided not to produce it. The Duan Gung would probably be more appropriate, though admittedly it is a less capable missile platform.

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 24 October 2014 - 03:58 PM.